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    Posted: 01 April 2022 at 8:41am
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Takes a lot of players to make a caterpillar too.Wink

I did hear one person suggest it shouldn’t be called a caterpillar rather call it a human centipede 
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jarod evans omission this season by the so called more attacking welsh coach mr pivac highlights how uber conservative anti flair welsh rugby is and has been for many moons
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Takes a lot of players to make a caterpillar too.Wink
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I agree and broadcasters should have an onscreen timer from use-it that the TMO can see, anything that stops the build up to the caterpillar will help rugby imo.
Easier go back to old rule as soon as SH touches ball it’s in play 

That hinders attacking rugby though as team with possession has to commit lots of people to breakdown to protect 9
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 March 2022 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I agree and broadcasters should have an onscreen timer from use-it that the TMO can see, anything that stops the build up to the caterpillar will help rugby imo.
Easier go back to old rule as soon as SH touches ball it’s in play 
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

When the referee calls ruck, no one else can join the ruck, so no caterpillar can be formed. 

Also something which I have noticed this season is a defending player standing to the side of the ruck, not attached to it, being a shield for the 9 when box kicking, that should be stopped too.

Far too much protection for the 9's these days.
The problem with any of those rules (however sensible some of them are) is that refs don’t tend to want to blow the whistle too often and so what you’d see is they’d clamp down on it quite hard in the first few months and then minds would drift and things would be back to how they are now within a year or two. Instead I’d propose cutting down the time from ‘use it’ to actually having to use it from 5 to 3 seconds. Once 3 seconds have gone the ref shouts ‘ball out’ and the defending team can pick the ball up from the ruck. That way you get rid of the box kick, and make the game more entertaining, and do something that the refs are likely to persist with for more than a few weeks / months. 
The trouble is ref's now shout use it & I often count (yes I am that sad) 7 or 8 seconds before the ball is actually picked up.
So if the time is cut to 3 seconds there’s half a chance the ball will be out in 5! In all seriousness I think a big part of the reason for that is that refs don’t want to cause another scrum (and the resets that tend to come with them). That’s why I proposed just the ruck being over after 3 seconds (and hence the ref shouting ‘ball out’), therefore avoiding any scrums / free kicks. Of course there’s no guarantee that it would work but it seems worth a trial at the very least IMO. 

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I agree and broadcasters should have an onscreen timer from use-it that the TMO can see, anything that stops the build up to the caterpillar will help rugby imo.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

When the referee calls ruck, no one else can join the ruck, so no caterpillar can be formed. 

Also something which I have noticed this season is a defending player standing to the side of the ruck, not attached to it, being a shield for the 9 when box kicking, that should be stopped too.

Far too much protection for the 9's these days.
The problem with any of those rules (however sensible some of them are) is that refs don’t tend to want to blow the whistle too often and so what you’d see is they’d clamp down on it quite hard in the first few months and then minds would drift and things would be back to how they are now within a year or two. Instead I’d propose cutting down the time from ‘use it’ to actually having to use it from 5 to 3 seconds. Once 3 seconds have gone the ref shouts ‘ball out’ and the defending team can pick the ball up from the ruck. That way you get rid of the box kick, and make the game more entertaining, and do something that the refs are likely to persist with for more than a few weeks / months. 
The trouble is ref's now shout use it & I often count (yes I am that sad) 7 or 8 seconds before the ball is actually picked up.
So if the time is cut to 3 seconds there’s half a chance the ball will be out in 5! In all seriousness I think a big part of the reason for that is that refs don’t want to cause another scrum (and the resets that tend to come with them). That’s why I proposed just the ruck being over after 3 seconds (and hence the ref shouting ‘ball out’), therefore avoiding any scrums / free kicks. Of course there’s no guarantee that it would work but it seems worth a trial at the very least IMO. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2022 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

When the referee calls ruck, no one else can join the ruck, so no caterpillar can be formed. 

Also something which I have noticed this season is a defending player standing to the side of the ruck, not attached to it, being a shield for the 9 when box kicking, that should be stopped too.

Far too much protection for the 9's these days.
The problem with any of those rules (however sensible some of them are) is that refs don’t tend to want to blow the whistle too often and so what you’d see is they’d clamp down on it quite hard in the first few months and then minds would drift and things would be back to how they are now within a year or two. Instead I’d propose cutting down the time from ‘use it’ to actually having to use it from 5 to 3 seconds. Once 3 seconds have gone the ref shouts ‘ball out’ and the defending team can pick the ball up from the ruck. That way you get rid of the box kick, and make the game more entertaining, and do something that the refs are likely to persist with for more than a few weeks / months. 

The trouble is ref's now shout use it & I often count (yes I am that sad) 7 or 8 seconds before the ball is actually picked up.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

When the referee calls ruck, no one else can join the ruck, so no caterpillar can be formed. 

Also something which I have noticed this season is a defending player standing to the side of the ruck, not attached to it, being a shield for the 9 when box kicking, that should be stopped too.

Far too much protection for the 9's these days.
The problem with any of those rules (however sensible some of them are) is that refs don’t tend to want to blow the whistle too often and so what you’d see is they’d clamp down on it quite hard in the first few months and then minds would drift and things would be back to how they are now within a year or two. Instead I’d propose cutting down the time from ‘use it’ to actually having to use it from 5 to 3 seconds. Once 3 seconds have gone the ref shouts ‘ball out’ and the defending team can pick the ball up from the ruck. That way you get rid of the box kick, and make the game more entertaining, and do something that the refs are likely to persist with for more than a few weeks / months. 
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When the referee calls ruck, no one else can join the ruck, so no caterpillar can be formed. 

Also something which I have noticed this season is a defending player standing to the side of the ruck, not attached to it, being a shield for the 9 when box kicking, that should be stopped too.

Far too much protection for the 9's these days.
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Maximum of 2 box kicks from the scrum per half. The 9 to actually use that ball when it's available, pronto. Straight feeds at the scrum have to be policed, not straight? Then opposing team gets a go. 
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Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Is rugby still boring or was that a phase? 

I find it funny that France kick it so much yet barely anyone says they’re boring. 

It must be something to do with having the “ability” to turn it on when it matters. But they didn’t really against Wales and it “mattered” then. Wonder why there isn’t a chorus of pundits calling them dull 


Most of the games in the URC this weekend I've found highly entertaining, the SA teams definitely bring some entertainment in their games and some good attacking rugby and tries scored in most of the games this weekend

Indeed - the SA teams seem far more inclined to run the ball back than indulge in aerial tennis, though they sometimes do that as well, of course. 
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Is rugby still boring or was that a phase? 

I find it funny that France kick it so much yet barely anyone says they’re boring. 

It must be something to do with having the “ability” to turn it on when it matters. But they didn’t really against Wales and it “mattered” then. Wonder why there isn’t a chorus of pundits calling them dull 
That's because they have more than one player chasing it and tend to get it back and do something exciting with it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletsrules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2022 at 8:27am
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Is rugby still boring or was that a phase? 

I find it funny that France kick it so much yet barely anyone says they’re boring. 

It must be something to do with having the “ability” to turn it on when it matters. But they didn’t really against Wales and it “mattered” then. Wonder why there isn’t a chorus of pundits calling them dull 


Most of the games in the URC this weekend I've found highly entertaining, the SA teams definitely bring some entertainment in their games and some good attacking rugby and tries scored in most of the games this weekend
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Is rugby still boring or was that a phase? 

I find it funny that France kick it so much yet barely anyone says they’re boring. 

It must be something to do with having the “ability” to turn it on when it matters. But they didn’t really against Wales and it “mattered” then. Wonder why there isn’t a chorus of pundits calling them dull 
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