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This is the first highly political move by any of the players.

Up until this point they have not openly sided with any faction but Warburton with his status as Welsh / British Lions captain has abused that position to support the Union over the regions.

This may not just have a dividing effect on supporters but possibly within the welsh camp - this single move has removed the welsh players from the periphery of this dispute and placed them slap bang into the middle of it. I hope Warburton will not regret this.
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lol some of the comments here are classic, warburton has made any political statement at all he's just taken the bigger wage.

No different to the boys going to france or the ones who went to league in the past (including the spokesman for the RRW)

anyone here who wouldnt take the extra 75k a year needs to give their head a shake


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote solihullscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2014 at 1:24pm
Well by your own skewed ethics Warburton needs a head shake he turned much more to sign for Wodger's Army. And yes it was a political move. He could have waited, he could've gone to France or England, he could have stayed at the Blues for a fantastic salary, he could've signed a one year contract and waited until this mess was over. He didn't he chose to sign for the wru with no pa in place and potentially nowhere to play next season.
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Make no bones about it SS I'd have taken the money and gone to france

 Maybe the guy has family in Wales, maybe he likes where lives, maybe he would rather stay here.

Who are we to tell him he needs to upsticks and move to another country because it suits our agenda


As the guy wants to stay in wales and he had two offers 1) for £200,000 a year 2) for £275,000 a year


He took the later I for one don't blame him, I don't think the blues can take the moral highground

How many players have they taken off other sides in the past by using the cheque book

emyr lewis, leigh jon  howley, neil jenkins martyn williams the list is endless


Seriously people are reading to much into this if the blues had matched the offer or bettered it he would have signed for them


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It cannot be seen as anything apart from a political move.

He has thrown his status behind the WRU signing a contract with no guarantees about where he will play or what competitions he will play in.

The timing of the signing is very apt for Roger Lewis and has been orchestrated to try and strengthen the hand of the WRU.

None of the players have entered the politics but by signing for the WRU Warburton has.
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Originally posted by exiled turk exiled turk wrote:

It cannot be seen as anything apart from a political move.

He has thrown his status behind the WRU signing a contract with no guarantees about where he will play or what competitions he will play in.

The timing of the signing is very apt for Roger Lewis and has been orchestrated to try and strengthen the hand of the WRU.

None of the players have entered the politics but by signing for the WRU Warburton has.

how is taking the same job but for more money poiltical?
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Because the blues have no control over him whatsoever and at this present time when the regions and the WRU are not talking then it becomes very political when he is arguably the highest profile player left in Wales. Surely you can't be that naive. Anyway would e have not had the same money is not more if he had stayed at the blues because he would have had his welsh wages on top which last yer was worth £100,000 a year. That's I figures quoted are correct but then I haven't seen his contract.
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His present employer, the Blues, are in dispute in the union and have stated they will not play any players who sign a central contract.

The regions and union have reached an impasse over the future and one of the key debates is whether central contracts with full control of the player held by the union or whether enhanced funding to the regions to enable them to keep players with certain conditions attached to it for the benefit of the welsh team is the best way forward.

All of the other players have kept their private thoughts on the dispute as private and have expressed a wish to concentrate on playing and that an agreement be reached to help them decide their futures.

By signing with the Union Warburton has undermined the positions of the Regions and placed his current employers in a very difficult decision as to his future.

He has now also ensured that every press conference he and other players conduct during the highest profile competition in the Six Nations will be dominated by his decision and the dispute.

Whereas before the players could bat away questions Warburton will now be expected to explain his decision and has now shown his full support for the WRU side of the dispute. He has politicised the players.

Even if he had reached agreement with the WRU he could have waited for the dispute to be formally resolved before committing himself but by doing so now he has sided with the WRU against the regions and politicised himself.

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so what if he had a career ending injury during the 6 nations and he only had 3 months of his contract to run?

what happens then?

is he supposed not to sign his contract for fear of upsetting us but risk his financial future?

sorry but this is the real world and the guy has to put his own future first

why didn't  peter thomas and the blues just match the offer?


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

so what if he had a career ending injury during the 6 nations and he only had 3 months of his contract to run?

what happens then?

is he supposed not to sign his contract for fear of upsetting us but risk his financial future?

sorry but this is the real world and the guy has to put his own future first

why didn't  peter thomas and the blues just match the offer?




If they had, the WRU would only have trumped it. It's political gerrymandering of the worst order. SW is a pawn in RL fight with the regions, nothing more, nothing less.
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If figures are to believed He was offered £200,000 by blues and £270,000 by WRU if he signed with Blues and also played for Wales he would surely get more money as I pointed out but you ignored he would have had an extra £100,000 for playing for Wales on last years figure. Has he signed for less money if so does he have an agenda or is there more money on offer from the WRU we haven't been told about.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

so what if he had a career ending injury during the 6 nations and he only had 3 months of his contract to run?

what happens then?

is he supposed not to sign his contract for fear of upsetting us but risk his financial future?

sorry but this is the real world and the guy has to put his own future first

why didn't  peter thomas and the blues just match the offer?




That's brilliant I knew you were going to say that you've made my day. He could've quietly taken out insurance.
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If figures are to believed He was offered £200,000 by blues and £270,000 by WRU if he signed with Blues and also played for Wales he would surely get more money as I pointed out but you ignored he would have had an extra £100,000 for playing for Wales on last years figure. Has he signed for less money if so does he have an agenda or is there more money on offer from the WRU we haven't been told about.

270 , 000 is his basic he will still get his wales top ups

you think hes signed with the WRU for less cash?

really???
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Originally posted by solihullscarlet solihullscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

so what if he had a career ending injury during the 6 nations and he only had 3 months of his contract to run?

what happens then?

is he supposed not to sign his contract for fear of upsetting us but risk his financial future?

sorry but this is the real world and the guy has to put his own future first

why didn't  peter thomas and the blues just match the offer?




That's brilliant I knew you were going to say that you've made my day. He could've quietly taken out insurance.


that pays him 270,000 a year for 3 years? with his injury record and in such a brutal full on sport?

what company does that cos ill have a policy Tongue


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

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If figures are to believed He was offered £200,000 by blues and £270,000 by WRU if he signed with Blues and also played for Wales he would surely get more money as I pointed out but you ignored he would have had an extra £100,000 for playing for Wales on last years figure. Has he signed for less money if so does he have an agenda or is there more money on offer from the WRU we haven't been told about.


270 , 000 is his basic he will still get his wales top ups

you think hes signed with the WRU for less cash?

really???

I'm sorry didn't realise you'd seen the contract thanks
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I think if Roger Lewis wasn't such a scheming toad people wouldn't blame WRUburton. It's the fact he's done it when Welsh rugby is crumbling around us and he's signed for the very people who have caused it. Plus he's the Welsh captain to make it worse.
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