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    Posted: 15 July 2023 at 6:57pm
I see a lot of opposition to the situating of assylum seekers in Llanelli....it's a very complex situation in my view , but ultimately its the individual from abroad that suffers...I can understand the distrust and dislike of the 
Imposition upon the area by the Westminster government , but in my view it's to late to complain when most individuals have chosen governance from Westminster rather than Cardiff..you reap what you sow ..
The individuals from Afghanistan and Syria are fleeing a war that was started and fuelled by the west...we expected Afghanistan individuals to spy on their own people , which put themselves and their family's life in potential danger, and then left them 
I wonder the next time British and NATO forces go into a country whether the people will think ...to hell with them , they won't give a damn when they leave , so I think I won't put myself and family at risk for their sake ...

It's a situation that most people don't think through , but here's another thought 

If the protesters against oil are correct , then the northern European countries need to prepare for an exodus of people from India and Africa and Asia ..looking for a new home as temperatures climb and large areas of the planet become uninhabitable ....just a thought for now but our children and grandchildren may have different views on us in the future 
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Feel sorry for the staff that got sacked. But people don't like it when reality comes to there front doors of the consequences that "Great Britain" and others have done on this planet. Also I maybe incorrect that the UK have taken the least amount of refuges out of other European countries and then the BS argument of "they came through other safe countries".
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All this has certainly opened my eyes to what people are really like in this town. Most are xenophobes who have no idea what they’re talking about. They don’t even know what an asylum seeker is. 
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The home office has a lot to answer for, but they dont seem to communicate with the rest of the country . Why cant those billions of public funds, they seem to have available for these private companies , be made available to local govt in order to prepare suitable accommodation throughout the country for immigrants? Far better planning, communication and co-ordination is needed. This would also allow councils to use the dispersement model? Given enough time and funding Im sure they could find dozens of suitable empty buildings in Llanelli. 

Hard to believe though at SPH that neither the new buyers or home office actually checked the deeds?
In the meantime as this debacle drags on , where will these immigrants be staying now?  and what will the new owners and home office do next?




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We could have kept the Dublin agreement , but Boris didn't want it ....These people are not being processed, the Westminster government just wants to create division ..but remember us in Wales do not matter ...after 800 years Westminster rule we are poor ..That's including nearly 200 years of coal extraction ....it's not about immigration any more , but whether we want to be slaves or do we want to decide on our own future ....poverty , sport , life in general is all down to politics ..... remember that the next time you vote 
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From a local perspective around 100 lost jobs which probably means 200 families and even more local children impacted. Also loss of a wedding venue which will be a hit on on income coming into plenty of other local businesses and plenty more local
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Asylum seekers need and deserve protection care and compassion but local communities also deserve protection from the failures of the English government .
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I see a lot of opposition to the situating of assylum seekers in Llanelli....it's a very complex situation in my view , but ultimately its the individual from abroad that suffers...I can understand the distrust and dislike of the 
Imposition upon the area by the Westminster government , but in my view it's to late to complain when most individuals have chosen governance from Westminster rather than Cardiff..you reap what you sow ..
The individuals from Afghanistan and Syria are fleeing a war that was started and fuelled by the west...we expected Afghanistan individuals to spy on their own people , which put themselves and their family's life in potential danger, and then left them 
I wonder the next time British and NATO forces go into a country whether the people will think ...to hell with them , they won't give a damn when they leave , so I think I won't put myself and family at risk for their sake ...

It's a situation that most people don't think through , but here's another thought 

If the protesters against oil are correct , then the northern European countries need to prepare for an exodus of people from India and Africa and Asia ..looking for a new home as temperatures climb and large areas of the planet become uninhabitable ....just a thought for now but our children and grandchildren may have different views on us in the future 
the war in syria has little if anything to do with western european nations. It’s more of  a civil war with russia propping up assad and if anything else it’s a pproxy war between saudi and iran. As for “their  people “ your talking about the taliban who are by and large hated in afghanistan and hardly surprising given their barbaric attitude , shocking treatment of women and the fact they propped up by a load of overseas fighters in their rAnks. Your failure to mention any of the above. Suggests you either have an agenda your trying to push , or know very little about either situation or possibly both. However even a broken clock is right twice a day and all the afghans who helped the west and their fanilies should have been given asylun
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Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Feel sorry for the staff that got sacked. But people don't like it when reality comes to there front doors of the consequences that "Great Britain" and others have done on this planet. Also I maybe incorrect that the UK have taken the least amount of refuges out of other European countries and then the BS argument of "they came through other safe countries".
are you trying to say the uk has taken the least asylum seekers of any europeam nation? In which case yes you are incorrect
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

All this has certainly opened my eyes to what people are really like in this town. Most are xenophobes who have no idea what they’re talking about. They don’t even know what an asylum seeker is. 
As Blair said “Education education education “ That’s one of his views I agree with if not much more. We are more “ ignorance is bliss “ in Wales at present sadly. So much work for our little nation to do 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Feel sorry for the staff that got sacked. But people don't like it when reality comes to there front doors of the consequences that "Great Britain" and others have done on this planet. Also I maybe incorrect that the UK have taken the least amount of refuges out of other European countries and then the BS argument of "they came through other safe countries".
are you trying to say the uk has taken the least asylum seekers of any europeam nation? In which case yes you are incorrect
no I worded it wrong. I'm trying to say the bigger(powerful) countries e.g. UK, France, Germany not the likes of Montenegro like I said earlier I maybe wrong.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I see a lot of opposition to the situating of assylum seekers in Llanelli....it's a very complex situation in my view , but ultimately its the individual from abroad that suffers...I can understand the distrust and dislike of the 
Imposition upon the area by the Westminster government , but in my view it's to late to complain when most individuals have chosen governance from Westminster rather than Cardiff..you reap what you sow ..
The individuals from Afghanistan and Syria are fleeing a war that was started and fuelled by the west...we expected Afghanistan individuals to spy on their own people , which put themselves and their family's life in potential danger, and then left them 
I wonder the next time British and NATO forces go into a country whether the people will think ...to hell with them , they won't give a damn when they leave , so I think I won't put myself and family at risk for their sake ...

It's a situation that most people don't think through , but here's another thought 

If the protesters against oil are correct , then the northern European countries need to prepare for an exodus of people from India and Africa and Asia ..looking for a new home as temperatures climb and large areas of the planet become uninhabitable ....just a thought for now but our children and grandchildren may have different views on us in the future 
the war in syria has little if anything to do with western european nations. It’s more of  a civil war with russia propping up assad and if anything else it’s a pproxy war between saudi and iran. As for “their  people “ your talking about the taliban who are by and large hated in afghanistan and hardly surprising given their barbaric attitude , shocking treatment of women and the fact they propped up by a load of overseas fighters in their rAnks. Your failure to mention any of the above. Suggests you either have an agenda your trying to push , or know very little about either situation or possibly both. However even a broken clock is right twice a day and all the afghans who helped the west and their fanilies should have been given asylun

I'm sure you were supporting the protesters yesterday , my MAGA friend Wink
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Not me asylum seekers have to live somewhere . Llanelli and the surrouding area have to do our bit to help. The only bit i dusagree with is the loss of a 100 local jobs

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Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

From a local perspective around 100 lost jobs which probably means 200 families and even more local children impacted. Also loss of a wedding venue which will be a hit on on income coming into plenty of other local businesses and plenty more local
families.
Asylum seekers need and deserve protection care and compassion but local communities also deserve protection from the failures of the English government .

Half of them were youngsters where it was just a part time job. The people in this town moan and whinge when places open out of town and it seems they don’t have the brains to comprehend jobs come with it. People are obsessed with slating out of town shops and things like Eastgate. They’ve created hundreds of jobs. 95 jobs go and people are up in arms. They don’t appreciate the 100s that have been created. 


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I think ( and hope) the displaced staff will all get jobs as there is a shortage of hospitality staff in Llanelli cafes restaurants and pubs . I see adverts all over the place and of course quite a few will be part time work. It’s the tourist aspect and venue loss that will hurt long term. We only have the Diplomat now as a venue 

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I don't to repeat what I have said in a previous post, but the huge concern ATM, isn't just the arrival of the 200 refugees at the Stradey pk hotel, but the polarisation of opinion, and vitriol mainly stoked up by far right protesters, who have their own racist, agenda.

On BBC news tonight a lot of sense was spoken by the "Hope not Hate " spokesperson, who were holding a supportive gathering in Park Howard.

He echoed my feelings ,that the community of Furnace were right to be alarmed, due the total lack of consultation by the Home Office, either with WAG or the local authority.

The very fact that a large number of individuals are placed in one place , without any clear infrastructure  plan.
To add to the woe, this leads to the loss of local jobs at the hotel. Any loss of jobs is a bad thing.
The better option, with better consultation, would be sensibly disperse the refugees sensibly, which could have been done better through the local authority.

What "Hope and not Hate" spokesperson", also said was that we need to continue this ongoing  dialogue, without acrimony, which I think is sensible, even allowing for the fact that this is a highly charged and emotive situation.

Its is unclear, how long the refugees will stay, and whether they will be restricted to the hotel, which a lot of people have already raised a concern about.

If the Home Office got its act together, and processed arrivals in the UK rapidly, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Its obvious, in the response to Covid, by the creation of "Field hospitals" that when the Government wants to do something, it can usually do so, and rapidly.
There needs to be a huge surge in the employment of border force staff, both patrolling the channel, and processing those who arrive.
Instead of this Braverman hatches a madcap plan to send them to a dubious place like Rwanda, which has now proved illegal, by our courts

With better organisation, its clear that that some economic migrants can return from whence they came, allowing for those fleeing persecution and terror ,to be properly looked after here , both in the short term ,before their longer term futures are decided.

Wales has a good track record of being generous and welcoming, particularly for those in need.
If this shoddy government acts fairly and does the right thing, it will encourage people to again act with compassion and care, and to support those who most need our help 


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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I think ( and hope) the displaced staff will all get jobs as there is a shortage of hospitality staff in Llanelli cafes restaurants and pubs . I see adverts all over the place and of course quite a few will be part time work. It’s the tourist aspect and venue loss that will hurt long term. We only have the Diplomat now as a venue 

There’s loads of hotels in Llanelli. Better value as well. I’d say it’s wedding wise is gonna have the biggest impact. There’s plenty of other places offering function rooms, spas and a restaurant. 
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