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I couldn’t agree more, she is a worse option for the country than Boris Johnson (I can’t believe that we are saying that).
She hasn’t got the swagger, confidence and electability of Johnson, and as a result will not be able to command the amount of support he got from his ministers, she will be a sitting duck for the Tory party as soon as she messes up.
She appears to look more like M Thatcher every time she takes to the stage, she dresses like her and it will only be a matter of time before she starts using her quotes, there is nothing original in her or her policies.
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 

So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 

So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos. 

the issue isn't the ownership of the network. it's the fact that suppliers have to rely on openreach to fix problems and they are poo.

Also for suppliers to actually get their kit into exchanges, they have to jump through so many hoops.
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 

So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos. 

the issue isn't the ownership of the network. it's the fact that suppliers have to rely on openreach to fix problems and they are poo.

Also for suppliers to actually get their kit into exchanges, they have to jump through so many hoops.

BT have been fined billions in total over the past few years for showing favouritism towards openreach and a sub standard service to their competitors...The whole thing is a farce. BT and openreach should not be involved in the free market at all. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 

So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos. 

the issue isn't the ownership of the network. it's the fact that suppliers have to rely on openreach to fix problems and they are poo.

Also for suppliers to actually get their kit into exchanges, they have to jump through so many hoops.

BT have been fined billions in total over the past few years for showing favouritism towards openreach and a sub standard service to their competitors...The whole thing is a farce. BT and openreach should not be involved in the free market at all. 

Favouritism to openreach? So who aren’t they showing favouritism to? You said there’s a monopoly with openreach now you’re saying there’s other companies. 


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During lockdowns I was starting to think there's a substantial section of the Conservative party who actively hate the majority of people in the UK and see them as expendable (e.g. "let the bodies pile high"). Now, I am almost certain they do with Truss's views on UK workers' lack of graft (also infamously within Britannia Unchained she co-authored where "Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world"*) and Sunak saying we should be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work", despite of course Johnson boasting about record unemployment and that there are many reasons people may be on benefits, e.g. health, not to mention jobs not being where the people are, or lack of skills required etc. 

All the while the wage gap increases, just search for CEO versus median worker salaries, and see how happy they are for companies to have massive profits, pay out massive bonuses to bosses and shareholders then get incredibly aggressive with any thoughts of lower-income workers to have pay rises. I understand their views are aimed at their core voters but they pander to the rich whilst fueling hate and blame as distraction to get enough votes to continue. 

Also, the NHS is in a serious state where ambulance waiting times are through the roof and it is genuinely at breaking point, in fact it's beyond functional at present. Has this come up as a major concern in these hustings or their leadership campaigns? Again, I simply have to conclude the Conservative party literally do not care. 

*This is alleged to have been written by the intellectual colossus that is Dominic Raab. A quick search reveals Brits have average working weeks above average in the EU. 
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Doc the country is broken my mother in law who's 95 fell monday morning at home my wife phoned for an ambulance to be told 4/5 hour wait the delta doctor came before ambulance(which was then cancelled) she checked mum over and told my wife not to send her to hospital as all she will do is deteriorate and if she is continent now she won't be when she comes out,The cost of living crisis is going to lead to poll tax type riots again only this time unlike where thatcher used the police to quash them the people in the police are facing similar hardships to the rioters and may not have the heart to crush them all in all the tories have taken us backs years.
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