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Topic: Llanelli RFC
Posted By: scarletabroad
Subject: Llanelli RFC
Date Posted: 24 January 2023 at 8:29am
A serious question here from someone who rarely gets to see the semi pro games due to where I live, and the ones I do see are The Drovers.

Why are LLanelli RFC so poor?

I was up at Parc Eirias on Sunday and saw the drubbing they had as the score was still up.

My understanding is we have 3 feeder clubs Quins Drovers and LLanelli and my understanding is that Academy players are fed into these clubs to gain experience (happy to be corrected if this is wrong)

Do the RFC not have an equal share of these assets?

Are they prone to player theft with short notice call ups due to their proximity to Scarlets?
Or
Do they have a good squad but poor coaching?

It just seems mad that they I assume have access to all the facilities of the Scarlets but zero outcome whereas using the Drovers as my example (as I have seen their facilities) have your basic club facilities and I would say punch above their weight

Also do Scarlets fund the 3 clubs in anyway?

Long winded question but I just don't understand how LLanelli RFC are so poor and consistently so




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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

A serious question here from someone who rarely gets to see the semi pro games due to where I live, and the ones I do see are The Drovers.

Why are LLanelli RFC so poor?

I was up at Parc Eirias on Sunday and saw the drubbing they had as the score was still up.

My understanding is we have 3 feeder clubs Quins Drovers and LLanelli and my understanding is that Academy players are fed into these clubs to gain experience (happy to be corrected if this is wrong)

Do the RFC not have an equal share of these assets?

Are they prone to player theft with short notice call ups due to their proximity to Scarlets?
Or
Do they have a good squad but poor coaching?

It just seems mad that they I assume have access to all the facilities of the Scarlets but zero outcome whereas using the Drovers as my example (as I have seen their facilities) have your basic club facilities and I would say punch above their weight

Also do Scarlets fund the 3 clubs in anyway?

Long winded question but I just don't understand how LLanelli RFC are so poor and consistently so


Good question,  which needs a good answer.  
Unfortunately,  I do 'nt have one.
It's a real issue I think ,which has to be addressed  urgently. 
If there was relegation  this year, we would be gone 

Incidentally,  was anyone at the Carmarthen  game today...basement battle?Another poor loss for RFC.


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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 6:22pm
Yes I was there today…the game was over at half time really Carmarthen were 26-0 up…Jac Price played for Carmarthen and was the only Scarlet/Academy player in their side..Morgan Jones was due to play for Llanelli but pulled out..Llanelli did come back into the game and scored 4 tries,2 were late on with the game lost..Llanelli had 6 full time Academy players playing with only Shelton their best forward…Back line look lost at times,as they were missing Eddie James / Corey Baldwin..From what I was told today the Wales u20’s boys were missing as well…Llandovery today didn’t have anyone playing from the Scarlets set up in their game..Llanelli rfc should be doing better with the players at their dispense,maybe it’s a coaching issue as the coaching staff have been there for some time..


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by townboy townboy wrote:

Yes I was there today…the game was over at half time really Carmarthen were 26-0 up…Jac Price played for Carmarthen and was the only Scarlet/Academy player in their side..Morgan Jones was due to play for Llanelli but pulled out..Llanelli did come back into the game and scored 4 tries,2 were late on with the game lost..Llanelli had 6 full time Academy players playing with only Shelton their best forward…Back line look lost at times,as they were missing Eddie James / Corey Baldwin..From what I was told today the Wales u20’s boys were missing as well…Llandovery today didn’t have anyone playing from the Scarlets set up in their game..Llanelli rfc should be doing better with the players at their dispense,maybe it’s a coaching issue as the coaching staff have been there for some time..

Thanks Townboy.
I would have gone  today, but we were taking my wife's great nieces to the panto in Frwnes. 
I am very disappointed  with that result. 
Honestly,  do'nt know what the answer is  ?
There has to be a total re- assessment  surely!


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Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 7:06pm
They’re poo because better plays have coke and gone who won’t put up with being dropped for below par academy players. Also the 2 coaches are absolute dreadful 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 7:07pm
Players*** come** hahah 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 8:22pm
Thank you,   Llanelli  1963.
It really upsets me to us doing so poorly.
Carmarthen  also having a poor season, so not a great time for region.
Let's hope some  can be done 


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 28 January 2023 at 9:19pm
Llandovery going well beat Ebbw vale 

Other two feeder clubs struggling thought  Llanelli would have won today but sounds like Quins played well Quins have a big injury list but still expected Llanelli to win today 

 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 6:11am
watched a fantastic game of rugby yesterday where Ammanford entertained Brecon in the cup with the Chief coaching Brecon it was end to end stuff full of skill and commitment which neither side deserved to lose but the highlight was Ammanford being awarded a touchline penalty in the final minute in front of Chief who well and truly threw his toys (clipboard and baseball cap) out the pram it was kicked and Ammanford won a thriller 25-24 really enjoyable game.


Posted By: insidehalf
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 7:22am
Disappointing result for Llanelli but when you lose players to the Scarlets, Wales U20's and have to bring in 4 or 5 players in on permit you'll always struggle.


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 8:47am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

watched a fantastic game of rugby yesterday where Ammanford entertained Brecon in the cup with the Chief coaching Brecon it was end to end stuff full of skill and commitment which neither side deserved to lose but the highlight was Ammanford being awarded a touchline penalty in the final minute in front of Chief who well and truly threw his toys (clipboard and baseball cap) out the pram it was kicked and Ammanford won a thriller 25-24 really enjoyable game.

Well done Ammanford! 
Great to hear about the Chief suffering..LOL!LOL


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 1:21pm
Great result for Ammanford that 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

watched a fantastic game of rugby yesterday where Ammanford entertained Brecon in the cup with the Chief coaching Brecon it was end to end stuff full of skill and commitment which neither side deserved to lose but the highlight was Ammanford being awarded a touchline penalty in the final minute in front of Chief who well and truly threw his toys (clipboard and baseball cap) out the pram it was kicked and Ammanford won a thriller 25-24 really enjoyable game.
 fair play great win that. What round you in next?


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 2:45pm
Ammanford into the quarter finals home to St Joseph 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

A serious question here from someone who rarely gets to see the semi pro games due to where I live, and the ones I do see are The Drovers.

Why are LLanelli RFC so poor?

I was up at Parc Eirias on Sunday and saw the drubbing they had as the score was still up.

My understanding is we have 3 feeder clubs Quins Drovers and LLanelli and my understanding is that Academy players are fed into these clubs to gain experience (happy to be corrected if this is wrong)

Do the RFC not have an equal share of these assets?

Are they prone to player theft with short notice call ups due to their proximity to Scarlets?
Or
Do they have a good squad but poor coaching?

It just seems mad that they I assume have access to all the facilities of the Scarlets but zero outcome whereas using the Drovers as my example (as I have seen their facilities) have your basic club facilities and I would say punch above their weight

Also do Scarlets fund the 3 clubs in anyway?

Long winded question but I just don't understand how LLanelli RFC are so poor and consistently so

I suspect the wage bill of the RFC is significantly smaller than the clubs in the top half of the table. The main priority of the likes of Ebbw Vale, Llandovery, RGC, Merthyr etc is to win the Welsh Premiership and the Cup. The main priority of the RFC is to be a development team for our academy and youngsters. We don’t value semi pro success highly so don’t invest in enough of those good but sub-professional level players that would turn the team into challengers. Swansea are in a similar position. They too get the majority of the Ospreys academy players but are a bottom half club. Cardiff invest more in their Welsh Premiership club and have a core of former pro and good semi-pro level players who supplement their academy boys. They’re the best team in the league. 

There’s an argument to be made that spending another £100-150k pa on grizzled semi pros would aid the development of our youngsters. There’s another argument that playing in a struggling team doesn’t harm the development of the youngsters provided they’re getting the right coaching. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Ammanford into the quarter finals home to St Joseph 
2 games from the national stadium?


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 8:06pm
Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 29 January 2023 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

A serious question here from someone who rarely gets to see the semi pro games due to where I live, and the ones I do see are The Drovers.

Why are LLanelli RFC so poor?

I was up at Parc Eirias on Sunday and saw the drubbing they had as the score was still up.

My understanding is we have 3 feeder clubs Quins Drovers and LLanelli and my understanding is that Academy players are fed into these clubs to gain experience (happy to be corrected if this is wrong)

Do the RFC not have an equal share of these assets?

Are they prone to player theft with short notice call ups due to their proximity to Scarlets?
Or
Do they have a good squad but poor coaching?

It just seems mad that they I assume have access to all the facilities of the Scarlets but zero outcome whereas using the Drovers as my example (as I have seen their facilities) have your basic club facilities and I would say punch above their weight

Also do Scarlets fund the 3 clubs in anyway?

Long winded question but I just don't understand how LLanelli RFC are so poor and consistently so

I suspect the wage bill of the RFC is significantly smaller than the clubs in the top half of the table. The main priority of the likes of Ebbw Vale, Llandovery, RGC, Merthyr etc is to win the Welsh Premiership and the Cup. The main priority of the RFC is to be a development team for our academy and youngsters. We don’t value semi pro success highly so don’t invest in enough of those good but sub-professional level players that would turn the team into challengers. Swansea are in a similar position. They too get the majority of the Ospreys academy players but are a bottom half club. Cardiff invest more in their Welsh Premiership club and have a core of former pro and good semi-pro level players who supplement their academy boys. They’re the best team in the league. 

There’s an argument to be made that spending another £100-150k pa on grizzled semi pros would aid the development of our youngsters. There’s another argument that playing in a struggling team doesn’t harm the development of the youngsters provided they’re getting the right coaching. 

good post Mugwuffin.
It puts some flesh on the bones of the argument, many have been chewing over.
No easy answers to this conundrum.
my own view is that sides should only receive WRU funding ,IF they can prove they are active in development .Some of the premiership games I have seen recently have highlighted what you say.
Too many sides paying older players not good enough for regional silly wages. 
not doing themselves ,or the game, any favours


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 4:18am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 9:23am
Originally posted by townboy townboy wrote:

Yes I was there today…the game was over at half time really Carmarthen were 26-0 up…Jac Price played for Carmarthen and was the only Scarlet/Academy player in their side..Morgan Jones was due to play for Llanelli but pulled out..Llanelli did come back into the game and scored 4 tries,2 were late on with the game lost..Llanelli had 6 full time Academy players playing with only Shelton their best forward…Back line look lost at times,as they were missing Eddie James / Corey Baldwin..From what I was told today the Wales u20’s boys were missing as well…Llandovery today didn’t have anyone playing from the Scarlets set up in their game..Llanelli rfc should be doing better with the players at their dispense,maybe it’s a coaching issue as the coaching staff have been there for some time..
shenton being their best forward show how poor scarlets academy boys are. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 10:19am
You still come across like a guy who was discarded by the Academy, or a close family member was

If I’m wrong apologies?


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 11:07am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

You still come across like a guy who was discarded by the Academy, or a close family member was

If I’m wrong apologies?
not at all. You cant honestly look at the scarlets academy and say it’s rife with quality? It’s really poor. I’m just saying how it is. 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 11:17am
Also wil chips you clearly don’t watch every week. Trying doing that having to sit through a loss week after week with the so called best of the best from the academy and let’s see you not get frustrated 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 12:11pm
I suppose it depends on what the expectations are. 16 of the match day squad from the Bulls game were Academy / Scarlets pathway products.

Your right, I don't see the current/younger academy guys week in week out.


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 30 January 2023 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I suppose it depends on what the expectations are. 16 of the match day squad from the Bulls game were Academy / Scarlets pathway products.

Your right, I don't see the current/younger academy guys week in week out.


Getting some good answers there to my question didn't think about the funding issue as I assumed they all got the same, but coaching must be an issue and mentoring by some of the posts. As for the person's comment made about the quality of academy players I have watched all the LLandovery college matches and the game quality was very good with the Scarlets academy players showing very well, I am also watching the Scarlets U 18 and again much better than last year but that's the way of that age group with a 2 year window you can be good one year have a gap and pick up some new ones the year later and improve.
Last year being a typical example compared to this year.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 7:49pm
    
   Three wins in two seasons of rugby . Yet the coaches and backroom staff stay in place .

   Its heartbreaking to see Llanelli RFC bottom of the pile once again .

    I thought Ben Willams was our best foward and Iestyn Gwilliam showed up well at centre . Josh Phillips needs to start at 10 and not 15 .

   






















Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 7:50pm
Who are the coaches Mark?


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 8:22pm
Phil john is there isn’t he?


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Who are the coaches Mark?

Mark is the man to go to for answers.
A more loyal fan of scarlets  and Llanelli  you won't find .
Coaches , a better  mix of youth  and experience,  better support  from scarlets?..?
Be interesting  to hear what Mark says.
It is heartbreaking  to see the situation  ATM.
Let's hope for better things.

Question for Ladram. 
Who have Ammanford  got in next round?
Home tie ?
Done well so far !


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 9:17pm
St Joseph's Cardiff although I'm in Kent that weekend although I would have had a prior arrangement was I home.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Phil john is there isn’t he?
Phil came in as Head Coach in the summer. 


Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 31 January 2023 at 10:56pm
It's cohesion thing, players wise I heard from a former RFC player, the squad is constantly changing with scarlets players and players around the region coming in an out.




Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 01 February 2023 at 12:39am
Originally posted by scarletsbeno1 scarletsbeno1 wrote:

It's cohesion thing, players wise I heard from a former RFC player, the squad is constantly changing with scarlets players and players around the region coming in an out.



Cohesion, yes ,that's a point.
I have felt for a while that the team was changing , game to game.
This is going back to when Ripper & Powell were playing.

Personally, I feel it high time Llanelli RFC  held a meeting , maybe Crys 16 can organise .
The committee can then answer questions .
How issues can be resolved, is another thing, but at least the discussion can be opened.
I would be happy paying a form of membership upfront(like scarlets season tickets),
If it meant raisin some extra funds.
We have to get the ball rolling in the opposite direction


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Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 01 February 2023 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by scarletsbeno1 scarletsbeno1 wrote:

It's cohesion thing, players wise I heard from a former RFC player, the squad is constantly changing with scarlets players and players around the region coming in an out.


teams changes every week. Just because you THINK you’re bringing better players in doesn’t mean you will have a better team. They don’t know whether they’re coming or going some of the players. You can have a great game one week and dropped from squad next week. For someone from the academy where more often or not they don’t perform anyway. Also if you don’t make the match days squad you’re not even allowed to train on a Thursday it’s absolute poo show there… to many yes men in that set up afraid to say how it is. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 01 February 2023 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsbeno1 scarletsbeno1 wrote:

It's cohesion thing, players wise I heard from a former RFC player, the squad is constantly changing with scarlets players and players around the region coming in an out.


teams changes every week. Just because you THINK you’re bringing better players in doesn’t mean you will have a better team. They don’t know whether they’re coming or going some of the players. You can have a great game one week and dropped from squad next week. For someone from the academy where more often or not they don’t perform anyway. Also if you don’t make the match days squad you’re not even allowed to train on a Thursday it’s absolute poo show there… to many yes men in that set up afraid to say how it is. 

Well these are questions to pose to Llanelli  RFC  committee,  as I have said. 
Apart from Crys 16 , what avenue  do we have to propose a general meeting,  considering  the seriousness of the current  situation,  which is obviously  unacceptable? 


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Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 01 February 2023 at 6:13pm
I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 01 February 2023 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.
it wouldn’t work.. squads would have to be doubled. 


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.
it wouldn’t work.. squads would have to be doubled. 

If the squad by the sounds of it don't even know if they're training or playing form one week to the next its no wonder there is no team ethic/cohesion/unity call it what you will. In rugby if you don't build that rapport with your team mates your partner in crime if you're front row/centre etc then no wonder there's problems. I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought that the academy were placed in one of the three feeder teams for the season to learn the trade and culture of a club as opposed to being parachuted in and out as has been mentioned above. No wonder there is chaos.


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 8:29am
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.
it wouldn’t work.. squads would have to be doubled. 

If the squad by the sounds of it don't even know if they're training or playing form one week to the next its no wonder there is no team ethic/cohesion/unity call it what you will. In rugby if you don't build that rapport with your team mates your partner in crime if you're front row/centre etc then no wonder there's problems. I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought that the academy were placed in one of the three feeder teams for the season to learn the trade and culture of a club as opposed to being parachuted in and out as has been mentioned above. No wonder there is chaos.
that exactly how it is there mate. It’s shocking 


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 8:32am
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.
it wouldn’t work.. squads would have to be doubled. 

If the squad by the sounds of it don't even know if they're training or playing form one week to the next its no wonder there is no team ethic/cohesion/unity call it what you will. In rugby if you don't build that rapport with your team mates your partner in crime if you're front row/centre etc then no wonder there's problems. I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought that the academy were placed in one of the three feeder teams for the season to learn the trade and culture of a club as opposed to being parachuted in and out as has been mentioned above. No wonder there is chaos.
that exactly how it is there mate. It’s shocking 

I take it Quinns and Drovers don't suffer the same way looking at the results


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 8:34am
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I was talking to an ex Premiership player in work recently he was saying the current setup does not work as Scarlets regional project and academy players seem to walk into the feeder teams.

Rather than the Scarlets players being used by the feeders as they are needed it seems it’s being dictated by the Scarlets.

After a long discussion we agreed that it would be worth looking at starting a URC A team tournament to be used as a development league with the rule that say 10/15 in the starting lineup have to be under 25 years of age.

These games could be played the day after the URC games so that the the main teams can have their pick of the main squad.
it wouldn’t work.. squads would have to be doubled. 

If the squad by the sounds of it don't even know if they're training or playing form one week to the next its no wonder there is no team ethic/cohesion/unity call it what you will. In rugby if you don't build that rapport with your team mates your partner in crime if you're front row/centre etc then no wonder there's problems. I didn't realise it was that bad. I thought that the academy were placed in one of the three feeder teams for the season to learn the trade and culture of a club as opposed to being parachuted in and out as has been mentioned above. No wonder there is chaos.
that exactly how it is there mate. It’s shocking 

I take it Quinns and Drovers don't suffer the same way looking at the results
I can’t speak for them I don’t follow them. 


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 8:47am
Ok just wondering if it was a policy thing as they don't seem to suffer from a results perspective anyway as bad


Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 4:26pm
Unfortunately Llanelli RFC have yet again had a poor season to date.

We have had numerous Scarlets pros and senior academy players throughout the season in the main, and the results have been not what’s expected.

Llandovery and Quins have had very limited Scarlets players with the vast majority being kept with us at the RFC this season.

Next season with alleged Scarlets funding drop and Scarlets squad cuts, the RFC could be in a worse  state again, as there will be less pros dropping in to the RFC.

I fear a 40 point hiding tonight in Ebbw, hope I am wrong.


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by Boisbach Boisbach wrote:

Unfortunately Llanelli RFC have yet again had a poor season to date.

We have had numerous Scarlets pros and senior academy players throughout the season in the main, and the results have been not what’s expected.

Llandovery and Quins have had very limited Scarlets players with the vast majority being kept with us at the RFC this season.

Next season with alleged Scarlets funding drop and Scarlets squad cuts, the RFC could be in a worse  state again, as there will be less pros dropping in to the RFC.

I fear a 40 point hiding tonight in Ebbw, hope I am wrong.
you called it buddy… last game for me. I’m done with it been a hard 2 seasons only people who watch now are family members of the players. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 9:16pm
RFC lost 35 points to 3 in Ebbw Vale 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 February 2023 at 9:19pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

RFC lost 35 points to 3 in Ebbw Vale 
Who controls the twitter feed. It’s always a very young side battled well. Please just say it how it is…. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 February 2023 at 6:49am
It just comes down to funding really, and that then calls in to question what the purpose of the Premiership actually is...it's never been clear to me. Benefactors generally govern the league table position, and the requirements of the region become very blurred within that (at best).

Having a look at the different profiles of the teams from Friday, particularly the packs, it's miles apart, and that's not going to be any different when you come up against the other teams in the Scarlets region either.

All have a pack of guys that have had some pro rugby in the past (at least to Academy level), Wales age grade caps, come from other Prem clubs, or are stalwarts of the same club for a decade or more, all now mostly mid to late 20's or beyond.

Llanelli RFC is littered with Academy players or Championship ( or lower league) players, as they just don't have the funds allocated to 'buy' half a dozen players of the above profile to be there week in week out.

Making it a pure coaching issue doesn't resonate with me, the whole platform is wrong.

Personally, you are either a professional player or an amateur. Semi professional is a hybrid term for effectively just paying players, some of which (at Prem level) have that income as their primary occupation.

No doubt continuity in selection and coaching caliber must come in to it, most weeks the team is radically different to the week before, but no external funds and no continuity in selection, well, I'm not sure any coach could turn that in to a league winning outcome.

Its been like this for nearly a decade now, but what I would say is the RFC platform has at least given Academy guys game time, that's not enough granted, but it's better than the alternative.


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 05 February 2023 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

It just comes down to funding really, and that then calls in to question what the purpose of the Premiership actually is...it's never been clear to me. Benefactors generally govern the league table position, and the requirements of the region become very blurred within that (at best).

Having a look at the different profiles of the teams from Friday, particularly the packs, it's miles apart, and that's not going to be any different when you come up against the other teams in the Scarlets region either.

All have a pack of guys that have had some pro rugby in the past (at least to Academy level), Wales age grade caps, come from other Prem clubs, or are stalwarts of the same club for a decade or more, all now mostly mid to late 20's or beyond.

Llanelli RFC is littered with Academy players or Championship ( or lower league) players, as they just don't have the funds allocated to 'buy' half a dozen players of the above profile to be there week in week out.

Making it a pure coaching issue doesn't resonate with me, the whole platform is wrong.

Personally, you are either a professional player or an amateur. Semi professional is a hybrid term for effectively just paying players, some of which (at Prem level) have that income as their primary occupation.

No doubt continuity in selection and coaching caliber must come in to it, most weeks the team is radically different to the week before, but no external funds and no continuity in selection, well, I'm not sure any coach could turn that in to a league winning outcome.

Its been like this for nearly a decade now, but what I would say is the RFC platform has at least given Academy guys game time, that's not enough granted, but it's better than the alternative.

Agree with this view especially the highlighted bits. There needs to be a more coherent development strategy which is built from the bottom up. This has to identify future talent to feed into premiership/regional/international level teams. This would involve recognising that everything below premiership/regional/international level should be regarded as a 'hobby' (and I don't mean that negatively). The top layers of the game provide the competitions and revenue and everything should be done to protect that.


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 10 February 2023 at 5:29pm

Back-rower Ben Williams is handed the captaincy as Llanelli return to Indigo Premiership action against Aberavon at Parc y Scarlets on Saturday (1.30pm KO).

In the absence of the injured Iwan Shenton, Williams leads a much-changed line-up from the one defeated by Ebbw Vale last time out.

Behind the scrum, Wales U20s squad member Jac Davies returns on the wing, while Eddie James comes into midfield. Luke Davies starts at nine, partnering Academy fly-half Tal Rees.

Up front, the O’Connor brothers, Sam and Harri, start in the front row alongside Llew Phillips-Taylor. Jac Price and Morgan Jones combine at lock, while Carwyn Tuipulotu is handed the No. 8 jersey. Williams starts at six and Nathan Hart at openside.

Llanelli v Aberavon (Parc y Scarlets; 1.30pm)

15 Josh Phillips; 14 Jac Davies, 13 Joe Hutchings, 12 Eddie James, 11 Rhys Harris; 10 Tal Rees, 9 Luke Davies; 1 Sam O’Connor, 2 Llew Phillips-Taylor, 3 Harri O’Connor, 4 Jac Price, 5 Morgan Jones, 6 Ben Williams (capt), 7 Nathan Hart, 8 Carwyn Tuipulotu

Reps: 16 Joe Rees, 17 Tom Zoogah, 18 Ioan Lewis, 19 Chris Long, 20 Elis Rees-Lewis, 21 Jordan Saunders, 22 Gruff Williams, 23 Tom Davies.



Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 11:29am
Pack looking much stronger as it will need to be against Aberavon.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 3:21pm
Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 
first Game I haven’t watched in 2 years 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 
first Game I haven’t watched in 2 years 
Coaching in Dublin?


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 
first Game I haven’t watched in 2 years 
Coaching in Dublin?
your poor attempt at an insult. Absolute thick fffffffffck


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 6:05pm
Wasn't meant as an insult your the one who told the forum you move in higher circles duh 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Wasn't meant as an insult your the one who told the forum you move in higher circles duh 
shhssshhhhh


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 
first Game I haven’t watched in 2 years 
Coaching in Dublin?
your poor attempt at an insult. Absolute thick fffffffffck

Wow. What a childish insult. Few too many shandy?


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Llanelli 21 Aberavon 55 Full Time 
first Game I haven’t watched in 2 years 
Coaching in Dublin?
your poor attempt at an insult. Absolute thick fffffffffck

Wow. What a childish insult. Few too many shandy?
I apologise… after many private message of abuse over the last few days I guess I’m a little ratty. So I am sorry buddy 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 February 2023 at 6:59pm
It’s tough when the teams you care about so much endure such poor form for so long

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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 7:17pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink

Congratulations to Ammanford reaching the semi finals after beating St Joseph’s 34-26 in Ammanford this afternoon 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 7:21pm
Also congratulations to Kidwelly, Lampeter and St Clears on reaching there semi finals as well in there groups 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink

Congratulations to Ammanford reaching the semi finals after beating St Joseph’s 34-26 in Ammanford this afternoon 
In kent visiting family but played with a 19 point lead to take against the wind 2nd half thanks Hoppy


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:49pm
Which part of Kent - thinking of a new roof


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 10:18pm
Well done AMMANFORD !
Flying the flag for the region and west wales, with a great win.

I am sure Ladram or Hoppy will keep us informed of the SF.
Would that be home in the rec, I would def go !


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 10:30pm
Ammanford,Newbridge,Nant Conwy, St Peters last four 

Would imagine semi finals will be played on neutral venue grounds 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 12:11am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink

Congratulations to Ammanford reaching the semi finals after beating St Joseph’s 34-26 in Ammanford this afternoon 
In kent visiting family but played with a 19 point lead to take against the wind 2nd half thanks Hoppy
Your location could be a cup lucky charm.

Might get the offer of another weekend there Wink


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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 12:36am
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Ammanford,Newbridge,Nant Conwy, St Peters last four 

Would imagine semi finals will be played on neutral venue grounds 

Newbridge ?
Llanelli used to play Newbridge, back in the day.
Regular part of our fixture list.
Always big pack of forwards, Dennis Hughes, Arthur Hughes, in the old days, then guys like Andy Allen.
Ten man rugby, with Turner calling the shots . Bet its the same now.
Never did well there , in fact I went there once , to see us losing, only to be cheered up
on the bus home listening to Wrexham beat Arsenal in the FA cup, on the radio, with a Mickey Thomas "special "!

Nant Conwy , north Wales , know nothing. but I bet St Peters, will be a tough nut !

"COME ON AMMANFORD " !


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 12:41am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Ammanford,Newbridge,Nant Conwy, St Peters last four 

Would imagine semi finals will be played on neutral venue grounds 

Newbridge ?
Llanelli used to play Newbridge, back in the day.
Regular part of our fixture list.
Always big pack of forwards, Dennis Hughes, Arthur Hughes, in the old days, then guys like Andy Allen.
Ten man rugby, with Turner calling the shots . Bet its the same now.
Never did well there , in fact I went there once , to see us losing, only to be cheered up
on the bus home listening to Wrexham beat Arsenal in the FA cup, on the radio, with a Mickey Thomas "special "!

Nant Conwy , north Wales , know nothing. but I bet St Peters, will be a tough nut !
Y
"COME ON AMMANFORD " !
kenny waters sutton  terry shaw andrew gibbs hemi taylor all capped welsh forwards fealy  rip turner class half backs top side in the 80s and 90s new bridge . Well played ammanford


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 8:40am
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Which part of Kent - thinking of a new roof
Ashford near train station back today


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 8:40am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Well done AMMANFORD !
Flying the flag for the region and west wales, with a great win.

I am sure Ladram or Hoppy will keep us informed of the SF.
Would that be home in the rec, I would def go !
Neutral I believe 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 2:29pm
Nice to see local clubs doing well in the cup 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 4:13pm
Cardiff 57 Llanelli 28 Full Time 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Cardiff 57 Llanelli 28 Full Time 
better than I thought. Cardiff Rfc has the player mix right . The Rfc don’t. 


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 5:44pm
Totally out played after 35 mins,Cardiff scored 9 tries could have been a lot more though..RFC scored 4 but we never in the game..


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 20 February 2023 at 2:25am
As I have said before, Llanelli RFC committee/coaches, need to meet the supporters and maybe explain the strategy and what is going on. Maybe Crys 16 could arrange 
Its totally unacceptable to continue in this vein.
As I understand it there is no relegation this year, but I could be wrong.

At this rate we will be playing Narberth and Cardiff met soon in the next tier down.


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Posted By: tim d
Date Posted: 20 February 2023 at 6:57am
At the recent meet the management meeting this subject was brought up . John Daniels stated that the rfc get the ground and staff free from the scarlets. He acknowledged that the side needs half a dozen old heads but the Scarlets haven't got the money to fund them . When crys publish the details of the meeting it should explain things better. 

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Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 20 February 2023 at 10:10am
Originally posted by tim d tim d wrote:

At the recent meet the management meeting this subject was brought up . John Daniels stated that the rfc get the ground and staff free from the scarlets. He acknowledged that the side needs half a dozen old heads but the Scarlets haven't got the money to fund them . When crys publish the details of the meeting it should explain things better. 
ok then that’s fair.. but why do they drop older heads who are better and more experienced the academy boys? When the academy boys are available. It’s stupid  


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 21 February 2023 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Well done AMMANFORD !
Flying the flag for the region and west wales, with a great win.

I am sure Ladram or Hoppy will keep us informed of the SF.
Would that be home in the rec, I would def go !
Neutral I believe 


Semi Final Draw
23 March  

Ammanford v Newbridge 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 21 February 2023 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Well done AMMANFORD !
Flying the flag for the region and west wales, with a great win.

I am sure Ladram or Hoppy will keep us informed of the SF.
Would that be home in the rec, I would def go !
Neutral I believe 


Semi Final Draw
23 March  

Ammanford v Newbridge 

1st of April semi final 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 22 February 2023 at 12:03am
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Well done AMMANFORD !
Flying the flag for the region and west wales, with a great win.

I am sure Ladram or Hoppy will keep us informed of the SF.
Would that be home in the rec, I would def go !
Neutral I believe 


Semi Final Draw
23 March  

Ammanford v Newbridge 

1st of April semi final 
Any details  of where this is to be played ?


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 22 February 2023 at 4:20am
Ammanford will need all their 'stars' for that one


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 22 February 2023 at 6:35am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Ammanford will need all their 'stars' for that one
The run of form wasn't really expected at start of season when available they have the Dallavale brothers who played for Italy under 19's on dual with Llandovery born about 200yds from me prop and 2nd row Mcbrydes son plays as well there's a speedy winger but don't really know too much about the rest there is a terrific team spirit there and the outside half Liam Williams son of Llandovery stalwart Geraint Williams is having a good season too.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 22 February 2023 at 7:06am
 Newbridge play  in Division 1 East 

Played 12 won 12 points 60 bonus point in every game top of the league 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 22 February 2023 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

 Newbridge play  in Division 1 East 

Played 12 won 12 points 60 bonus point in every game top of the league 
Remember when I used to see Newbridge results on the teleprinter on Grandstand, in black and white, of course. Big smile

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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 11:33am

Llanelli have selected their side for Friday’s rescheduled Indigo Premiership clash against Bridgend Ravens at the Dunraven Brewery Field (7.15pm).

Experienced scrum-half Gareth George takes over the captaincy of a side showing a number of changes from the defeat to leaders Cardiff last time out.

In the front row, Rhys Cherry comes in at hooker, Elis Rees-Lewis shifts up to lock and Josh Hamer and Jordan Saunders are named in the back row.

Behind the scrum, George replaces Luke Davies at nine, while wings Rhys Harris and Elli Evans get the nod out wide.

Llanelli team to play Bridgend Ravens at the Dunraven Brewery Field on Friday, February 24 (7.15 ko)

15 Jac Davies; 14 Rhys Harris, 13 Joe Hutchings, 12 Tom Davies, 11 Elli Evans; 10 Josh Phillips, 9 Gareth George (capt); 1 Sam O’Connor, 2 Rhys Cherry, 3 Harri O’Connor, 4 Chris Long, 5 Elis Rees-Lewis, 6 Josh Hamer, 7 Nathan Hart, 8 Jordan Saunders.

Reps: 16 Llew Phillips-Taylor, 17 Tom Zoogah, 18 Ioan Lewis, 19 Joe Greaves, 20 Kyle Hamer, 21 Gruff Williams, 22 Josh Evans, 23 Louis Rees.



Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 12:36pm
A number of permit players again? The team sadly changes each game. Still bottom of course and a pale shadow of the name it bears ☹️☹️ A proper strategy on the future of the rfc is well overdue 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 4:00pm
Hats off to anyone who bothers to support a team that has no purpose/direction or anything that resembles a semi professional team.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Hats off to anyone who bothers to support a team that has no purpose/direction or anything that resembles a semi professional team.
 

I found it demoralising following us around Wales getting beaten up , typically after about 50 minutes when age strength and experience of other teams took us apart. About 100 -120 regular fans at home and about 10 -20 away ( being generous) and playing in a large empty stadium . Some decisions are needed on them


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 5:23pm
Would have thought scarlets would lend them players as no game for the region and give players in the region who need game time 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Would have thought scarlets would lend them players as no game for the region and give players in the region who need game time 
Peel is no different to Delaney Mooar or Pivac. RFC usually have to permit from eg Llangennech Felinfoel or the Wanderers. Huge jump for them as well and drain on the feeder clubs . Ridiculous stuff 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 24 February 2023 at 9:36pm
Bridgend 45 Llanelli 17 Full Time 
Quins 28 Aberavon 17 Full Time 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 02 March 2023 at 7:34pm
Live on you tube now Llandovery v Cardiff top two 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 02 March 2023 at 8:20pm
Llandovery 27 Cardiff 6 Half Time Llandovery have been outstanding first half 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 02 March 2023 at 9:29pm
Llandovery 37 Cardiff 20 Full Time well played drovers 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 02 March 2023 at 9:40pm
Cardiff two props and their 8 9 and 10 are hardly what a development lge is about


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 02 March 2023 at 10:05pm
Llandovery looked superb, cohesive.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 03 March 2023 at 12:09pm
Llanelli's match has been postponed due to a number of injuries in their front row.


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 03 March 2023 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Llanelli's match has been postponed due to a number of injuries in their front row.

Heard there was only 16 players in training this week..


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 03 March 2023 at 12:59pm
Surely they could of borrowed players from local clubs 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 March 2023 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Surely they could have borrowed players from local clubs 
they do that anyway. Also the 16 players doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s only so long you can string players along before they get wise to it 



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