Saracems v Scarlets live stream
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Topic: Saracems v Scarlets live stream
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Saracems v Scarlets live stream
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 7:50am
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Saracens v Scarlets friendly will be streamed live on there website this Friday , ko 7.30 .
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Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 9:18am
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Thanks ------------- Joshua24:15 |
Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 10:31am
| Do you have a web address |
Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 10:32am
https://www.saracens.com/" rel="nofollow - Saracens - Together Saracens
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Oracle wrote:Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 10:43am
| Great find--thanks |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 11:17am
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What kind of side will we be taking, hopefully it’s seen as development game ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 11:21am
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This is a bit of an odd fixture. I expect Saracens wanted a match to fill the holes caused by Worcester and Wasps dropping out. For us though we’re unlikely to have our Wales U20s players available, and I don’t see the benefit of putting our regulars at risk of getting injured in a friendly at this stage of the season. On the plus side the RFC and Llandovery don’t have a game this weekend so I expect we’ll see Shenton, the two O’Connors, Ben Williams, Griff Evans, Josh Phillips, Eddie James and Carwyn Tuipulotu play.
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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 1:36pm
Awesome   ------------- Scarlets!!! |
Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 1:43pm
Llandovery are playing aberavon on friday night |
Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 3:10pm
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Ah, I guess we won’t have too many of their boys playing then, apart from Griff Evans who’s contracted to us.
I’d hoped that the likes of Doel might be given a game as we’re stretched in the Back 3 at the moment. We can’t afford another injury there now McNicholl is out long term.
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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 3:32pm
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With all that's going on around contracts and injuries it seems like a bad idea to be playing Sarries this weekend. Is there financial benefit for us in taking on this fixture? Whose idea was it, were we the only ones approached or the only ones to say yes? ------------- Keep the faith |
Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 3:35pm
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It will be a development game and boys returning from injury . I would imagine Gruff Evans, Iestyn Rees if fit ? And possibly Harri Doel will be turning out ?
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 3:39pm
| Sone senior guys need game time ( Jonny, Macloed, Morgan, Carwyn maybe Dinky a couple of others)… then It will be younger guys like the O’Connor boys, Ben Williams, Eddy James and others. |
Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 3:42pm
| Will Jac Price be available as well |
Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 6:21pm
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Suffered a leg injury playing for Llanelli v Aberavon a few weeks back .
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 7:52pm
| Do we have to pay to watch it on their stream |
Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 March 2023 at 8:51pm
Not that I’m aware of, simple watch online.
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Posted By: SVD
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 3:53pm
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Hia pawb. I was a bit confused about accessing our game on Friday, so emailed Saracens. Fair duce to a young lady called Harriet replied Next please!
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 5:53pm
What info did she provide? I’m confused. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 6:53pm
Cliff hanger time ...are we being told or not
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Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 8:57pm
I believe Jac is out for the season.
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Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 9:03pm
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I’m hearing that the youngster Nott, a winger with Carm Quins is in the squad for the Sarries game. He scored 2 very good tries for the Quins up in Ponty which I saw on the Prem highlights on social media. He has apparently joined the Quins a month ago from university
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Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 9:46pm
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He came through the Exiles programme and played for our U16s and U18s. We’re thin in the Back 3 now McNicholl is injured and Halfpenny away with Wales. Rogers and Conbeer have had their problems over the past few months too. There might be further opportunities for Nott if he plays well.
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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 10:13pm
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Looking forward 👌 to Nott appearing with us .
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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 08 March 2023 at 10:24pm
| We had a Knott, (with a k) ourselves quite recently but he defected to the dark side. I don't think he's had many opportunities with them, and as a fringe player he can't be too sure about a contract renewal. Anyway I think he was mainly a centre and in these stressful times unless we are desperately short in a position we're not likely to make another signing. |
Posted By: SVD
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 7:46am
| So sorry for the confusion with last night’s message, sent by accident before I’d finished, then a phone call distracted me and I promptly forgot all about it. Old age, but I’m not usually as dippy as that. The lady in Saracens told me that the game can be streamed through their YouTube channel, Sarries TV - You Tube and that there is no cost. |
Posted By: John
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:58am
Even in these cash- strapped times, perhaps particularly in these cash-strapped times, there have to be opportunities for talented youngsters.
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Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:12pm
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15 Tom Rogers; 14 Harri Doel, 13 Macs Page, 12 Eddie James, 11 Kian Abraham; 10 Dan Jones (capt), 9 Harri Williams; 1 Steff Thomas, 2 Joe Rees, 3 WillGriff John, 4 Griff Evans, 5 Iestyn Rees, 6 Iwan Shenton, 7 Ben Williams, 8 Carwyn Tuipulotu. Reps: 16 Isaac Young. 17 Sam O’Connor, 18 Harri O’Connor, 19 Chris Long, 20 Lewys Millin, 21 Olli Wynne, 22 Josh Phillips, 23 Corum Nott, 24 Will Icke. ------------- “Gareth Edwards just ran 30 yards and got a Knighthood, I sidestepped five players and got arthritis in both knees.” - Benny |
Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:17pm
Excellent thankyou. ------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty" "All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:27pm
Great to see Harri Doel back in the fold ------------- Scarlets - Suppliers of fine rugby since 1872 |
Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:28pm
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Saracens Men team to play Scarlets: 1 Eroni Mawi 2 Ethan Lewis (c) 3 Christian Judge 4 Cameron Boon 5 Kaden Pearce-Paul 6 Max Eke 7 Nathan Michelow 8 Toby Knight 9 Ruben de Haas 10 Manu Vunipola 11 Rotimi Segun 12 Josh Hallett 13 Dom Morris 14 Ben Harris 15 Olly Hartley Replacements: 16 Samson Adejimi 17 TBC 18 Eduardo Bello 19 Alex Wardell 20 Obinna Nkwocha 21 Sam Bryan 22 Brandon Jackson 23 Francis Moore ------------- Scarlets - Suppliers of fine rugby since 1872 |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:28pm
------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:37pm
Nice to see two sides full of less well-known names. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:47pm
Thanks - I have subscribed to that channel (for this week, anyway!) ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:55pm
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I’m glad we’re not risking key players in this, aside from Rogers who’ll benefit from some time in the saddle at fullback. There’s a first senior match for our academy centre, Macs Page, who I was a bit surprised to see left out of the Wales U18s squad recently. It’ll be a big step up for him playing against men, but a great learning opportunity for him in a match of no consequence. It’s good to see we’re having a look at some young Back 3 players from the Welsh Premiership. Hopefully they’ll be able to make the step up.
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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:56pm
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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:07pm
| Icke and Millin are Quins players; Wynne was well thought of at Worcester, now a RGC player. |
Posted By: John
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:13pm
Young is in our academy and Abraham is in the Os academy. We've cast the net quite wide.
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Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:45pm
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Abraham was announced has a Scarlets player in Wales 20s squad announcement .
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 2:04pm
| Good to see the introduction of youth who are going to be reied on very heavily over the coming two years. Iestyn at 5 is a worry. What had happened to Caleb Salmon - he is not in the 20's 23 so I guess he must be injured as this match would have been ideal for him. |
Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 2:25pm
| Over the moon to see Doel! |
Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 5:01pm
| What's a little worrying is the scarcity of ball carrying second rows in the region in general and also in this particular selection, implying that not only has the first team squad a shortage but that no-one seems to be coming through with Caleb Salmon not yet fulfilling his early promise. |
Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 10:36pm
Kian Abraham is with Llandovery who they signed from Swansea
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 4:18am
| Congrats to Dinky on being appointed skipper for this one. Deserved. |
Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 6:51am
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we will see the scarlets players of the nearest future..really interested in Doel and Page.. still I dont understand how to watch this game...
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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:08am
| This could be a tough watch later on,Saracens have 6/7 internationals in that squad along with players who played against Sale last week…For us hope we can get enough ball to Eddie,Rogers and Doel..Huge concern going forward is the lack of 2nd rows coming throug..Iestyn Rees has played mainly in the back row for Llandovery this year |
Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:13am
My understanding is, go to youtube, search for Sarries Tv and hit subscribe button. Then before the match return to Sarries TV and there should be a live stream.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:22am
Your right, Iestyn has only played 8 for the Drovers. It's an issue for sure. |
Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:22am
| Here is a link, match will broadcast on this page at 18:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgFQ15H86k" rel="nofollow - MATCHDAY LIVE - Saracens Men vs Scarlets - YouTube |
Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:34am
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Just want the players to do their best...the result will work itself out, whatever happens our boys will be playing in a different environment against a top English side. They need the experience to learn....and you only learn by making mistakes. Play well all. ------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty" "All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:39am
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Hope they all come back unscathed from another plastic pitch ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 6:57pm
| International friendly!!!! Think that’s pushing advertising a bit😂😂😂 |
Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:27pm
| In London for the weekend so pooped alkng,will try an update..Sarries look very big compared to us |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:29pm
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Well this is a treat for a Friday night during an International weekend. Looking forward to it. Carwyn being bigged up by the commentators.
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:35pm
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Ominous start - Saracens score after 2 mins. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:42pm
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Waw great try from Scarlets from a maul from a 5m lineout. Converted by Dan from the touch line. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:46pm
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Carwyn Scores - this is good stuff from the Scarlets. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:50pm
I want to say winning doesn’t matter, it’s about experience, but a 7-14 I’m fully invested 
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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:50pm
| Impressive first 20 mins playing with tempo 2 very good tries |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:01pm
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Saracens score 2 tries in 2 minutes. They look good when they get the ball. We had a lot of possession in the first 20 mins but when they get the ball they look stronger than us. SAR 21- 14 - SCAR ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:05pm
| I've turned the volume off , 2 very special people on the vocals ...where the hell do they find them |
Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:10pm
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That's a shocker of a call Carwyn tackled yards from line and no tackle release penalty to Sarries
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Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:14pm
| Solid scrum, Carwyn playing well, The 2 Harry’s doing well, Eddie James looks a player even in a friendly. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:16pm
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Half Time SAR 26- 14 - SCAR Our boys giving a good account of themselves. Both centres looking good, Harri Williams at scrum half also looking the part. Dan Jones leading the team well. Based on this first half, our future is looking good. These lads need more games like this. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:17pm
| Enjoyable game actually inexperience telling at times but some good rugby from us |
Posted By: John
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:20pm
| That's been fun to watch....inspite of the scoreline. Hard, committed running from both sides. And alot of pace in the game |
Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:22pm
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Very enjoyable watch! Youngsters doing really well! Need to retain possession and not kick away .
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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:26pm
| Really enjoyable game..our boys are giving it a right go,2 very well taken tries..Sarries have to much after a few phases..Eddie doing well as have the backs with some lovely moves..pack are holding their own..Dinky very vocal and leading by example..keep it up boys |
Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:28pm
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Very enjoyable first half of rugby, playing with confidence and the passes are sticking. Saracens are a very useful side, they have some really big but fast athletes in their team, the n8 scored a world class try to get them back into game and seem to be able to just pick up,their game when required.
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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:35pm
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Now then - yellow card against Saracens for a high tackle. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:51pm
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Great break and 50m run from Macs Page. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:53pm
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Another YC against Saracens having been warned earlier. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:55pm
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Great try by Iwan Shenton. Positive run from base of scrum by Olli Wynne supported well by Shenton who still had a lot to do. Well deserved.
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:00pm
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Dan Jones scored and Scarlets back in the hunt. Dan orchestrated that really well. SAR 40 - 26 SCAR ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:09pm
| I think the future looks bright |
Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:13pm
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Got to say, this commentary team make Shanklin bareable. How biased can one get. Hes up the with ferret from Ulster. ------------- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. |
Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:14pm
It’s sarries tv not bbc sport just be thankful. Northern Witt was quite entertaining.
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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:15pm
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Final score: SAR 47 - 26 SCAR A very enjoyable game. This team is our future and the future looks good. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:15pm
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Absolutely not bad a bonus point against Saracens. Many teenager in starting team and boys ready to start. Tuipulotu one of them.. Maybe this financial situation is not the absolute bad...restart from the roots is the way..
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:16pm
| Enjoyed the game plenty of positives for the Scarlets good talent coming through these players need to play more rugby than sitting in the stands |
Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 10:26pm
| Good runaround for the players, I think for a match like that it’s all about positives. Missed most of the second half, any standouts? |
Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 10:26pm
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An enjoyable match where we showed several glimpses of talent and imagination and which would have been a much closer affair if we could have matched the pace and power of the more experienced Saracens side. Anyone know who our numbers 26 and 27 were? |
Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:15am
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I have never heard such bias commentary on a rugby match before. ------------- Give Blood, Play Rugby |
Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:31am
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Went to the game, Carwyn , Eddie James and Ollie Wynn the standouts for me. Thought Iestyn Rees , Shenton and Ben Williams fought hard. Difference was at half backs Sarries with De Haas and Vunipola. Some of our tackling left a lot to be desired, particularly senior pros.
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:56am
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These guys are our future....the win would have been nice, but the experience invaluable. ------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty" "All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:50am
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Good game, some nice patterns and hands from our boys and some real talent. Downside was the demonstration how size matters. They had the advantage in size and power almost from 1-15 and that is almost impossible to win against. Thought Carwyn was excellent. He knew he was the only real physical threat on the Parc and he led by example ------------- We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh |
Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:57am
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[QUOTE=Wasp]Good game, some nice patterns and hands from our boys and some real talent. Downside was the demonstration how size matters. They had the advantage in size and power almost from 1-15 and that is almost impossible to win against. Thought Carwyn was excellent. He knew he was the only real physical threat on the Parc and he led by example [/QUOTTThanks for this. ------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty" "All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 9:18am
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 9:22am
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Micro Duck
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 9:45am
Agreed. I thought the coverage was excellent from Sarries. Fantastic for them to make it available for free. Loved the commentators. Think that one of them was part of the Sarries coaching set up.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 9:47am
If just to read that, it was worth it. |
Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 10:05am
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Carwyn was in beast mode, to be fair. That extra effort after being tackled or held to smash free or push another yard was very very nice to see. My guess is that some of our younger age grade graduates aren’t used to tackling centres and wings with that much size or power. A couple fell off tackles that a more experienced player, even a smaller guy, would have completed. It’s exactly the sort of development that our fringe players need. It makes me long for a decent “A” competition. If that’s the type of team we could field during 6N, plus whilst resting first teamers for the league, it would be a decent watch. ------------- We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh |
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 10:17am
| Didn't see the stream so thanks everyone for the very useful feedback. A couple of players I was interested in pre match - Griff Evans at 2nd row & I have heard some very good reports about Macs Page who played at 13 last night I think. He is only 18 but apparently has something special. |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 10:33am
Makes me think we need some sort of Anlgo/Welsh competition during the international window to bring more of these guys through.
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 10:33am
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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 12:10pm
Macs flattened an opponent early on so I don't think strength is an issue, particularly as he's so young. His break was fantastic and he'd have run past the cover defence if he hadnt run out of pitch. He's fast. He gives every appearance of being the real deal. But I would prefer to put that match in the context of a team performance which only lacked in terms of defensive organisation- not a surprise as it was a scratch team. I can't see why most of that 23 can't slot into a URC matchday 23 next season and put in a good performance. And if we are running a reduced squad, that is important. If we see half the commitment, movement and speed of mind and action from Wales in an hour or two, we'll beat Italy easily.
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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 12:35pm
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Regarding Carwyn, totally agree. Real stand out performance. Got to carry that onto the URC now. Some really encouraging performances from the youngsters. Considering many of those Sarroes have been part of Premiership 23, that was a good result. I did expect more from our experienced players, steff T, WGJ and dinky. They didnt put their hands up far enough ladt night. I thought the wingers looked dangerous when given the chance, centers were fantastic considering theyre 18&20, replacement 9 was a live wire, ben williams carried well - not sure if he's 8 material. Good game. Thoroughly enjoyed and thanks for the link ------------- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. |
Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 12:54pm
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Excellent exercise all round! Credit too all concerned from coaches to the players .Stand outs for me two centres, nines, hookers (carried well) Iestyn Rees hell of a shift and starting back row also..
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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 9:22am
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Didnt catch the stream but Im gathering the guys were very much like the Tigers commentators when we won the friendly at Welford road. Agree its their stream yadda yadda but to not have a clue about the team you are playing or any of the players (as happened in that game) is a bit embarrassing for any rugby fan. ------------- Scarlets - Suppliers of fine rugby since 1872 |
Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 13 March 2023 at 11:40am
Bit harsh on Dinky there considering the age of the players around him I thought he mentored them well which may in turn restricted some of his own game play. WGJ for me has failed to flatter at all levels I thought he was a good move from Sale but its never materialised. The front rows did have a tough night against Sarries, who did have quite a bit of experience on the pitch but the pack did secure good ball most of the night. Some really good prospects coming through and there are boys in the current U18's coming in as well who I have watched with Macs Page so the future isn't all doom and gloom. 
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