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Topic: 2023-24 Squad
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: 2023-24 Squad
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 8:24am
Like many on here I have been pondering the make up of our squad with our enforced reductions. My gut feeling is that we are probably better off than most regions having two areas which other regions may be short of.

Firstly we have a number of squad members who are naturally coming up to their twilight years - this will not have come as a surprise to us so planning will/should have been in place. I include in this category - Halfpenny, Foxy, Ken, Phil Price & Sione.

Secondly we have some players who have had to retire/move due to injury/lack of action etc - Blade, Lezana, Rawlins, Helps, Jeffries, Baldwin.

I guess my point is that we have reductions to our squad which were probably going to happen anyway.

For sure some will leave that we want to keep - Javan for example but so far we are coming through this ahead of our rivals. 

Finally we then have to look to the future & where we stand. Undoubtedly the financial constraints will mean that players from the academy are going to seeing more playing time than historically. Many of us have been calling for this for many years. Looking at the French example most, if not all, of their under 20's squad were full time members of either top 14 squads or Pro D. It is very usual to see 19-21 year olds breaking into the full French squad even with their depth. 

We have young players who are about to be given their first team chances - Sam O'Connor, Lewis Morgan, Pritchard, Caleb Salmon, Griff Evans, Luca Giannini, Ben Williams, Harri Williams, Archie Hughes, Eddie James.

To sum up I guess it is certainly ground zero for regional rugby at the moment but am I as despondent as I thought I would be - unequivocally no. The off field management have to realise that quality coaching is going to be fundamental to our survival. Nobody is going to tell me that we do not have talented footballers who are able to compete but it is going to take very canny management & coaching to do it. 



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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 8:40am
Great post...as you mentioned about not being despondent.....im excited by the exuberance of inexperienced players replacing experienced players. Yes we know we need game leadership and gained experience but for me how many wasted talented players star brightness been diminished by no opportunity to shine at the Scarlets. 

All this mayhem and turmoil may be a blessing in disguise....im super excited at what the future holds for us, there are gems out there but if we don't dig we will never know. 

Bring it on.




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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 8:44am
1st team next season
Wyn
Elias 
Wainwright 
Morgan Jones
Louisi
Fifita
Dan Davies
Carwyn
Cawdor
Costellow
Mcnicoll
Johnny Williams 
Joe Roberts 
Conbeer
Tom Rogers 



Could be competitive amongst other regions Scottish sides and some SA sides but behind Irish and top SA teams. 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:22am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

1st team next season
Wyn
Elias 
Wainwright 
Morgan Jones
Louisi
Fifita
Dan Davies
Carwyn
Cawdor
Costellow
Mcnicoll
Johnny Williams 
Joe Roberts 
Conbeer
Tom Rogers 



Could be competitive amongst other regions Scottish sides and some SA sides but behind Irish and top SA teams. 

Our bench could be made up of :-

Sean, Mathias, Samson, Jac Price, Josh McLoud, Blacker, Dan, Scott Williams with Ioan, Steff Evans & Eddie as back up. Up front our back up will include Steff Thomas, Daf Hughes, Harri O'Connor, Ben Williams.

One top priority signing I hope we make is a 2nd row to give us 4 frontline locks to share the load.




Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:37am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

1st team next season
Wyn
Elias 
Wainwright 
Morgan Jones
Louisi
Fifita
Dan Davies
Carwyn
Cawdor
Costellow
Mcnicoll
Johnny Williams 
Joe Roberts 
Conbeer
Tom Rogers 



Could be competitive amongst other regions Scottish sides and some SA sides but behind Irish and top SA teams. 

Our bench could be made up of :-

Sean, Mathias, Samson, Jac Price, Josh McLoud, Blacker, Dan, Scott Williams with Ioan, Steff Evans & Eddie as back up. Up front our back up will include Steff Thomas, Daf Hughes, Harri O'Connor, Ben Williams.

One top priority signing I hope we make is a 2nd row to give us 4 frontline locks to share the load.

Has Foxy retired or is he considered not good enough or just too expensive?


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:59am
Is Samson fit and is he being kept part of next year's squad ...There seems to be very little information being published


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 10:00am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Is Samson fit and is he being kept part of next year's squad ...There seems to be very little information being published
It's on the politics thread if you ever visited that WinkLOLLOL


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 10:01am
As a tight end I assume his politics are to then far right Wink


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 11:24am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Is Samson fit and is he being kept part of next year's squad ...There seems to be very little information being published
 
I suspect they may reluctantly release Samson. Now constantly injured and high risk. In his prime 5 years ago he was superb but especially in today’s very tough financial world I just very sadly don’t see him staying. 

Has Lewis Rawlings departure ever been announced? 


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 11:30am
Nicholas will be a crucial player next season with his ability to cover every back position. Still a very thinned out squad. Fitness and injuries will determine how we do. 


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 12:17pm
Joe Roberts has been excellent this season but I would like to see how a backline of Cawdor, Costelow, Conbeer, JBW, Eddie, Rogers, Jmac would go, lots of power and pace there.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 12:30pm
If Patchell leaves I think we've got to be looking at signing another quality 10 or a talented youngster who is unlikely to get to much game time with rival regions - Dan Edwards of the Ospreys springs to mind.
Obviously we could do with a big ball carrying second row and a powerful winger, but they will not be easy to find or finance.
Carwyn is showing positive signs of progress but I'm yet to be convinced that he is capable of replacing Kalamafoni, but finding a big ball-carrying 8 is an extravagance until Carwyn is given more opportunity to show what he can do.


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 12:35pm
I am sure I read on one of the platforms he is squatting some ridiculous weights so perhaps they are giving him a full recovery and pre season to ensure the Achilles doesn't go again, and at the moment anyway we are coping okay in the front row


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Is Samson fit and is he being kept part of next year's squad ...There seems to be very little information being published


Samson's in good shape ( if that's permissible as a description for a prop), very likely to play this season.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Is Samson fit and is he being kept part of next year's squad ...There seems to be very little information being published


Samson's in good shape ( if that's permissible as a description for a prop), very likely to play this season.

Thats great news. I thought i heard Dwayne say a few weeks ago that he wasn't far off. 


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 2:02pm
Good news about Samson. We either need him or WGJ to be a reliable squad player. Assume HOC and Wainwright make up the first choice 23 right now/next season.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 2:03pm
I think he is incredibly important to us. I'm a little uneasy why some think it's ok to let go players in key positions like this. Good TH's are hard to come by, and Samson has only just turned 30.

Achilles injuries are tough for anyone, and it's long rehab for sure, but the injuries were different ankles and were in fact 7 years apart.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 2:25pm
If Samson gets back anywhere near his best he will be our No 1 tight head for sure. It wasn't that many years ago when I saw him take a fully loaded Leinster front row apart at PYS. As I say anywhere near his best & Gatland will be all over him. 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 2:55pm
I think Samson has the ability to regain his crown as best Welsh tight head 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I think Samson has the ability to regain his crown as best Welsh tight head 


I really hope so but for now, a run to the end of the season will suffice for me.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:02pm
I’m not sure anybody is saying to cut Samson. My
Belief is let’s see how he does, and hopefully he’s back 100% and a well needed player in the team. If that’s the case, I could see WGJ leaving. Jeffries too perhaps?


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

I’m not sure anybody is saying to cut Samson. My
Belief is let’s see how he does, and hopefully he’s back 100% and a well needed player in the team. If that’s the case, I could see WGJ leaving. Jeffries too perhaps?
Jeffries, now there is a man on money for old rope.


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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:28pm
I thought Wainright was an only to the end of the season job? I'd like us to keep him mind.

I'd rather have a Beirne-type second row than just a big bruiser. All the top sides are moving away from that (apart from the French league itself perhaps). I agree size is good, but you need to be more than just a lump enforcer. 

TBH if we could poach Tshuinza and Jenkins from Exeter we'd be sorted. 

Sidenote... I wish him well but I'd be pushing Hardy out of the door. Anyone who has seen Cawdor, Blacker, Hughes and Williams are plenty (personally I think Hughes will be our first choice in 1-3 seasons). 


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:40pm
Thought it was more likely to be Blacker out the door?


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I thought Wainright was an only to the end of the season job? I'd like us to keep him mind.

I'd rather have a Beirne-type second row than just a big bruiser. All the top sides are moving away from that (apart from the French league itself perhaps). I agree size is good, but you need to be more than just a lump enforcer. 

TBH if we could poach Tshuinza and Jenkins from Exeter we'd be sorted. 

Sidenote... I wish him well but I'd be pushing Hardy out of the door. Anyone who has seen Cawdor, Blacker, Hughes and Williams are plenty (personally I think Hughes will be our first choice in 1-3 seasons). 

Sadly I'm not sure we're in the position to poach an egg let alone those pair.


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Like many on here I have been pondering the make up of our squad with our enforced reductions. My gut feeling is that we are probably better off than most regions having two areas which other regions may be short of.

Firstly we have a number of squad members who are naturally coming up to their twilight years - this will not have come as a surprise to us so planning will/should have been in place. I include in this category - Halfpenny, Foxy, Ken, Phil Price & Sione.

Secondly we have some players who have had to retire/move due to injury/lack of action etc - Blade, Lezana, Rawlins, Helps, Jeffries, Baldwin.

I guess my point is that we have reductions to our squad which were probably going to happen anyway.

For sure some will leave that we want to keep - Javan for example but so far we are coming through this ahead of our rivals. 

Finally we then have to look to the future & where we stand. Undoubtedly the financial constraints will mean that players from the academy are going to seeing more playing time than historically. Many of us have been calling for this for many years. Looking at the French example most, if not all, of their under 20's squad were full time members of either top 14 squads or Pro D. It is very usual to see 19-21 year olds breaking into the full French squad even with their depth. 

We have young players who are about to be given their first team chances - Sam O'Connor, Lewis Morgan, Pritchard, Caleb Salmon, Griff Evans, Luca Giannini, Ben Williams, Harri Williams, Archie Hughes, Eddie James.

To sum up I guess it is certainly ground zero for regional rugby at the moment but am I as despondent as I thought I would be - unequivocally no. The off field management have to realise that quality coaching is going to be fundamental to our survival. Nobody is going to tell me that we do not have talented footballers who are able to compete but it is going to take very canny management & coaching to do it. 


Assuming we will have a squad of 38/39 players (not including academy lads) I think we will be looking at a squad close to:

1. Wyn Jones
2. Kemsley Mathias
3. Steff Thomas
4. Sam OConnor
5. Ryan Elias
6. Ken Owen
7. Daf Hughes
8. Shaun Evans
9. Sam Wainwright
10. Hari OConnor
11. Samson Lee
10. WGJ
11. Sam Lousi
12. Vaea Fifita
13. Morgan Jones
14. Jac Price
15. Josh Macleod
16. Dan Davis
17. Carwyn Tuipolotu
18. Ben Williams
19. Iwan Shenton
20. Gareth Davies
21. Dane Blacker
22. Archie Hughes
23. Hari Williams
24. Sam Costelow
25. Dan Jones
26. Josh Phillips
27. Ryan Conbeer
28. Steff Evans
29. Tom Rogers
30. Johnny Mcnicholl
31. Foxy
32. Johnny Williams
33. Joe Roberts
34. Scott Williams
35. Ioan Nicholas
36. Eddie James
37.
38.
39.

Looking at above, pure guess work, with potentially 2 or 3 players coming in - back row and lock...and depending who stays/goes, potentially a tight head as well. Ben Frys name been thrown around on social media that he's heading our way. Decent signing if true.
What the above does show is that we will be better off than other 3 regions...also, i think this season has been a bit of a blessing. whether we knew this chaos was coming, but its as if we have planned for a worst case scenario more than other 3. We have brought through the likes of Kemsley, OConnor, Jac Price, Tuipolotu, Costelow, Joe Roberts etc, Shenton, Ben Williams and Ed James now having some game time as well...will hold us in good stead for next season IMO especiall as I dont see us losing much many to the World Cup.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I thought Wainright was an only to the end of the season job? I'd like us to keep him mind.

I'd rather have a Beirne-type second row than just a big bruiser. All the top sides are moving away from that (apart from the French league itself perhaps). I agree size is good, but you need to be more than just a lump enforcer. 

TBH if we could poach Tshuinza and Jenkins from Exeter we'd be sorted. 

Sidenote... I wish him well but I'd be pushing Hardy out of the door. Anyone who has seen Cawdor, Blacker, Hughes and Williams are plenty (personally I think Hughes will be our first choice in 1-3 seasons). 

Sadly I'm not sure we're in the position to poach an egg let alone those pair.

We can dream! 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 4:40pm
Let's see how the vote goes Sunday first 


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 4:48pm
I’m not too up to date at the moment what’s the vote about and who’s voting


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I’m not too up to date at the moment what’s the vote about and who’s voting
Do we want to lose multi-millions of sponsorship and stick with the current governance rules, or change them, allow more independents and set about completely changing the culture and thinning the gravy.

Have just started a topic on General Rugby called Sunday’s Governance Vote and posted an interesting article.


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Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:08pm
Thank you I’ll have a look


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Nicholas will be a crucial player next season with his ability to cover every back position. Still a very thinned out squad. Fitness and injuries will determine how we do. 
 Muxh underrated player. Like other utility players the focus of fans can get a bit diffused as to his worth with no specific position locked in. But he never lets us down


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 9:20am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Nicholas will be a crucial player next season with his ability to cover every back position. Still a very thinned out squad. Fitness and injuries will determine how we do. 
 Muxh underrated player. Like other utility players the focus of fans can get a bit diffused as to his worth with no specific position locked in. But he never lets us down

I know utility players have their worth but what is his preferred and best position and what's  his best attribute?




Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 10:44am
That he never lets us down, whatever position he plays is surely an attribute of importance and the fact that he can cover 3 or 4 positions must be significant.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 10:52am
He's often my first name on the team sheet 


Posted By: insidehalf
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 10:52am
With squads being shrunk we will need more players who are comfortable playing in more than one position.
Props who can hold their own on either side of the scrum (very rare these days I know)
2nd rows who can play somewhere in the back row and back rowers who can do a job in the 2nd row.
Backs who can cover more than 1 position comfortably and more than 1 kicker on the park.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I think he is incredibly important to us. I'm a little uneasy why some think it's ok to let go players in key positions like this. Good TH's are hard to come by, and Samson has only just turned 30.

Achilles injuries are tough for anyone, and it's long rehab for sure, but the injuries were different ankles and were in fact 7 years apart.

Totally agree the daftest position on the pitch needs a specific mindset and frame and Samson fits it perfectly...hope he is injury free going forward...no pun intended. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I thought Wainright was an only to the end of the season job? I'd like us to keep him mind.

I'd rather have a Beirne-type second row than just a big bruiser. All the top sides are moving away from that (apart from the French league itself perhaps). I agree size is good, but you need to be more than just a lump enforcer. 

TBH if we could poach Tshuinza and Jenkins from Exeter we'd be sorted. 

Sidenote... I wish him well but I'd be pushing Hardy out of the door. Anyone who has seen Cawdor, Blacker, Hughes and Williams are plenty (personally I think Hughes will be our first choice in 1-3 seasons). 


Agree Pegs.





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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: HollowayScarlet
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 7:56am
WOL reporting on Halfpenny's future.

Peel said: "Those talks are ongoing. We're having conversations with him around his future. Those sorts of decisions, especially with someone like him, will be made in the next couple of weeks, I suppose."

I assumed there would be no way we could afford to renew his contract without the WRU 80%, but sounds like we are exploring options. I would be chuffed if we found a way, but not keeping my hopes up.

Do I remember reading he had been doing some coaching as well?


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 8:09am
We are going to have more coaches than Arthur Thomas if this carries on LOL


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

We are going to have more coaches than Arthur Thomas if this carries on LOL
He would be invaluable as a mentor and fine example for younger players I’ve noticed Costellow mimicking Halfpenny’s  kicking style this season and he has certainly improved. 


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 March 2023 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I think he is incredibly important to us. I'm a little uneasy why some think it's ok to let go players in key positions like this. Good TH's are hard to come by, and Samson has only just turned 30.

Achilles injuries are tough for anyone, and it's long rehab for sure, but the injuries were different ankles and were in fact 7 years apart.

If Samson has recovered from his injury, he must stay - it would be like a new (and top class)signing.


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Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 29 March 2023 at 2:23pm
With talk of London Irish folding, I wonder if our Tongans can persuade Adam Coleman to come on board.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 30 March 2023 at 11:12pm
Whose contracts are up at the end of the season? - have the Scarlets released the names. I'm afraid that unless we are legally obliged to do so, it would be difficult to keep Foxy, Scott Williams and Corey Baldwin, when we also have centres Jonny Williams, Joe Roberts, Eddie James, Ioan Nicholas and Macs Page in the squad.
Where we are weakest is at second row and outside half and we need to be looking for relatively inexpensive, promising youngsters to sign in these positions.
It will be very sad to bid farewell to some older players who have made great contributions over the years. Lets just hope that those who want to, manage to get a final payout at clubs with quite a bit more money than the Welsh regions are likely to have next season.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Whose contracts are up at the end of the season? - have the Scarlets released the names. I'm afraid that unless we are legally obliged to do so, it would be difficult to keep Foxy, Scott Williams and Corey Baldwin, when we also have centres Jonny Williams, Joe Roberts, Eddie James, Ioan Nicholas and Macs Page in the squad.
Where we are weakest is at second row and outside half and we need to be looking for relatively inexpensive, promising youngsters to sign in these positions.
It will be very sad to bid farewell to some older players who have made great contributions over the years. Lets just hope that those who want to, manage to get a final payout at clubs with quite a bit more money than the Welsh regions are likely to have next season.

How are we weak at OH? Costelow is an excellent prospect, and may well go on to win many caps for Wales. Patchell is a superb attacking 10 with a long boot as well. Dan Jones is a steady eddie type who never lets us down, and a class goal kicker. If we retain those three - no problem. 

I'd say no. 8 is more problematic... Kalamafoni has been immense, but I don't see anyone with the same engine capable of making so many carries per match/season. Carwyn will do his bit and is developing, but do we want to shift Fifita from his current second row/no. 6 role? That would leave another gap, and he's a different type of runner to Kala - fast but less of a battering ram. 


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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 2:28pm
I sincerely hope that Patchell stays but it has been rumoured that he will be one of the ones moving on. If so we are depending on Costelow to remain injury free and not being called up for Wales or we only have Dan Jones who is hardly a top class outside half in a crucial position.
I agree that No8 is also a weakness with Kalamafoni's departure and I wish I had your confidence that Carwyn is a good replacement with more pace. I think Fifita should stay in the back row and maybe move to 8, unless Carwyn can make a lot of progress or we can find another ball carrying 8.


Posted By: hartson11
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 2:30pm
10 clearly is going to be a problem next season despite Aber fan's optimism.

Strong rumours that Patchell won't be returning, Dan Jones is a third string 10 at best in my opinion, and with the impending international retirements of Biggar, Anscombe post RWC, Costelow could be out of bounds for us in the first three months of 2024.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 2:40pm
On the subject of 10 I also note that Josh Phillips has been released - as reported on SF recently. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 2:51pm
Thought patchell   was linked with Japan move  


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

We are going to have more coaches than Arthur Thomas if this carries on LOL
Wow that takes me back to school days at Penyrheol. Arthur Thomas was always used for our school trips etc


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Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of 10 I also note that Josh Phillips has been released - as reported on SF recently. 

Surprised by that. Huge boot on him thought he was a prospect.

On another note Ospreys have signed Harri Doel. When I watched sarries vs us, he looked weak under the high ball, good runner etc. appreciate he wasn’t given a craic with our full side out 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 4:48pm
Did Harry Doel play for the scarlets 

Well he has signed for the ospreys for next season 


Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Did Harry Doel play for the scarlets 

Well he has signed for the ospreys for next season 

It’s until the end of the season. Hopefully it’s because he’ll be with us next year.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Did Harry Doel play for the scarlets 

Well he has signed for the ospreys for next season 

It’s until the end of the season. Hopefully it’s because he’ll be with us next year.

Sorry my mistake 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 31 March 2023 at 7:45pm
Good on him.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 2:24am
Is Corey Baldwin injured? When he left for Exeter there was a huge gnashing and a wailing about leaving him go and then he returned, but since then he’s barely appeared. He may be on the release list I suspect? 🤔


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 6:41am
Injured since Jan.


Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 7:09am
Patch is vital for next season.

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Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 10:21am
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

Patch is vital for next season.

Patch is gone 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 10:33am
Originally posted by townboy townboy wrote:

Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

Patch is vital for next season.

Patch is gone 

Sorry to see him leave. He was superb when we won the Championship. Injuries have not been kind to him. 

Pop lwc I ti Rhys a diolch. Best of luck Rhys, and thanks.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 10:39am
I'm hearing that ardie savea is joing us after the world cup on a 2 season contract , probably covering kals departure ....I've had this from a very good source and it should be announced in the rugby paper 2 morrow Thumbs Up


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 10:40am
What day is it today?


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 10:57am
Worth a go Wink


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 1:46pm
Where is patch going?

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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I'm hearing that ardie savea is joing us after the world cup on a 2 season contract , probably covering kals departure ....I've had this from a very good source and it should be announced in the rugby paper 2 morrow Thumbs Up
Eztabeth, couldn’t cope with being handled by Morgan Jones he stated in an interview last week ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 01 April 2023 at 6:34pm
LOL


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 02 April 2023 at 9:56pm
Is there a list of the academy players being released? Surprised about Josh, was wondering if they’d see him as a long term fullback.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 10:33am
I heard earlier that loan Lloyd is joining us next season ...is there any truth in this 


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 10:55am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I heard earlier that loan Lloyd is joining us next season ...is there any truth in this 

He would have to be very cheap as he struggles to get a game for Bristol in the Premiership at the moment.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 11:04am
Harri Doel to ospreys as injury cover...not good


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Harri Doel to ospreys as injury cover...not good

Only until the end of the season.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Harri Doel to ospreys as injury cover...not good
It’s a good thing, he will go there for the rest of the season and realise that he is a million times better off staying this side of the bridge. 




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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 11:46am
As with other leavers, it never ceases to amaze me how details leak out about players leaving. You would think things like that were absolutely confidential and not something anyone would talk about, even to friends and family until its announced formally. 

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Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I heard earlier that loan Lloyd is joining us next season ...is there any truth in this 
Steff has just said this on an article on Wales online 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:15pm
Be a good signing that if it comes off.


Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:24pm
He plays everywhere in the back line. Anyone know what his favourite position is?


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

He plays everywhere in the back line. Anyone know what his favourite position is?
Season ago I think it was reported he and Lam wanted to focus him at 12. Hasn’t really happened. For us, we could use him at fullback or wing.


Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:27pm
Played really well at 12 against us few seasons back in Europe. Think Wing/Full back is his preference. Can also slot in at 10. 


Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:29pm
Have I broken something?Angry


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:29pm
an interesting doppio play combo with Costelow..


Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:34pm
He's even played scrum-half. So a 7-1 split next year Smile


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:46pm
As a Cardiff boy he could have been a good investment for Cardiff as they are losing Priestland and Evans.




Posted By: HollowayScarlet
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 3:57pm
He is 21!?  I assumed he was mid-20s, feels like he has been around much longer. Younger then Costelow!

Having a squad which wont be too affected by Welsh call-ups next season will be key. I suspect Gatland's 10s will be Bigger, Anscombe, O Williams and/or Patchell. Assuming Patchell is moving on, we would do well to have two international prospects 10s in the squad in Costelow and Lloyd, who are bit further down the pecking order.


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:00pm
This would be a good move. With news circulating that Patchell is off, we need another 10 and having someone who can slot in at centre or in the back 3 also would be valuable. Hope this is true


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:01pm
On a separate note, is page 5 of this thread broken?


Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

an interesting doppio play combo with Costelow..
If true it will be great to have 2 10s with pace. Lloyd imo is too small at centre, has all the talent to be Wales 10.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

As a Cardiff boy he could have been a good investment for Cardiff as they are losing Priestland and Evans.
He would’ve been, but it sounds like they’ve got very little wiggle room left under this new salary cap. They picked a bad time to sign Faletau and take Liam Williams off our hands. They’re two very expensive players and aren’t available for large chunks of the season. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:30pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

As a Cardiff boy he could have been a good investment for Cardiff as they are losing Priestland and Evans.
He would’ve been, but it sounds like they’ve got very little wiggle room left under this new salary cap. They picked a bad time to sign Faletau and take Liam Williams off our hands. They’re two very expensive players and aren’t available for large chunks of the season. 

Additionally, it seems as though Adams will also be staying there. It was reported a few weeks ago that his move to Lyon had fallen through because it was a 'very complicated issue'.




Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by HollowayScarlet HollowayScarlet wrote:

He is 21!?  I assumed he was mid-20s, feels like he has been around much longer. Younger then Costelow!

Having a squad which wont be too affected by Welsh call-ups next season will be key. I suspect Gatland's 10s will be Bigger, Anscombe, O Williams and/or Patchell. Assuming Patchell is moving on, we would do well to have two international prospects 10s in the squad in Costelow and Lloyd, who are bit further down the pecking order.
22 on Wednesday according to Bristol's web site. 

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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 4:49pm
We don't need any more centres but 10 is a different matter. Hope there is some substance to the rumour especially if he also gives further options at wing and 15.
t's now that we'll find out how good Cubby is in his recruitment role.


Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

As a Cardiff boy he could have been a good investment for Cardiff as they are losing Priestland and Evans.
He would’ve been, but it sounds like they’ve got very little wiggle room left under this new salary cap. They picked a bad time to sign Faletau and take Liam Williams off our hands. They’re two very expensive players and aren’t available for large chunks of the season. 

Additionally, it seems as though Adams will also be staying there. It was reported a few weeks ago that his move to Lyon had fallen through because it was a 'very complicated issue'.


Adams is stil under contract, someone would've needed to buy him out. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 03 April 2023 at 5:20pm
Plus there’s the impression from the WRU that anyone in the national squad will need their approval to leave any current contract. 

Cardiff might well have said he could go with no fee just to give them more budget to redeploy.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 6:24am
If the Ioan story is true he would be a fantastic signing. Versatile players will be like gold dust with reduced squads. 10 is his position without a doubt & he may well get to concentrate for most of the season on that position initially as back up to Costelow. 


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 7:49am
Am I right in thinking Costellow can cover centre too? I’m not advocating playing players out of position unnecessarily, but with the number of injuries players pick up in the modern game it’s so handy having guys who can cover more than one position if necessary.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 7:59am
Theoretically both can play 12 but in the modern game I struggle to think of boys that small making it. The 10/12 channel is a huge target area for opposition runners be that back rowers or well built 12's. I do not question the bravery or indeed technique of either but their skills lie elsewhere in my opinion. We have JBR, Scott & Eddie to do that job. 


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 8:31am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Theoretically both can play 12 but in the modern game I struggle to think of boys that small making it. The 10/12 channel is a huge target area for opposition runners be that back rowers or well built 12's. I do not question the bravery or indeed technique of either but their skills lie elsewhere in my opinion. We have JBR, Scott & Eddie to do that job. 


in nowaday rugby many teams play with a double play or second receiver, we dont or not so evident..
a combination Costelow/Lloyd could be an interesting idea, considering all the defensive risks..in this way no doubt about Costelow defensive skills


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 9:00am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

If the Ioan story is true he would be a fantastic signing. Versatile players will be like gold dust with reduced squads. 10 is his position without a doubt & he may well get to concentrate for most of the season on that position initially as back up to Costelow. 


Agreed, really gifted player. I'd love him to come to us.



Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 9:27am
Any updates on Samson 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 9:39am
Someone on another forum has said they've heard Patch is staying. (Pinch of salt & all that)


Posted By: mr geraint
Date Posted: 04 April 2023 at 9:53am
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Theoretically both can play 12 but in the modern game I struggle to think of boys that small making it. The 10/12 channel is a huge target area for opposition runners be that back rowers or well built 12's. I do not question the bravery or indeed technique of either but their skills lie elsewhere in my opinion. We have JBR, Scott & Eddie to do that job. 


in nowaday rugby many teams play with a double play or second receiver, we dont or not so evident..
a combination Costelow/Lloyd could be an interesting idea, considering all the defensive risks..in this way no doubt about Costelow defensive skills

We have wings who can do that (Steff, JMac) so having a third outside back to add to the mix should be good.



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