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Topic: 15 players released
Posted By: turkishrebel
Subject: 15 players released
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:05pm
Patchell halfpenny rawlins Phil price daf Hughes iestyn Rees among the players 
https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-confirm-2022-23-player-departures/" rel="nofollow - https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-confirm-2022-23-player-departures/


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Posted By: judith
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:16pm
I'm surprised we're letting Taylor Davies and Daf Hughes go; I thought we'd keep one of them.


Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

I'm surprised we're letting Taylor Davies and Daf Hughes go; I thought we'd keep one of them.

Agree both very good squad players.

Also surprised with Iestyn Rees, got loads of potential.

But it’s prob all due to having to cut the squad due to funding cuts.


Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:33pm
Thanks all for your service to the Scarlets 👏

Some unfortunately haven’t played much rugby the last few years due to injuries.

Some useful money freed up there,  to bring in one or 2 quality players ?


Posted By: Cofi
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:36pm
Always sad to see players leaving but really suprised to see Daf go. Hope he gets picked up by an English club and does'nt just go straight back to Llandyfri.


Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by judith judith wrote:

I'm surprised we're letting Taylor Davies and Daf Hughes go; I thought we'd keep one of them.
Exactly my thoughts. We now have two hookers (both international) and a converted flanker. That’s no criticism of Shaun, every time I’ve seen him play he’s given everything, but still a converted flanker very late in his career. Any development hookers coming through?

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Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by Cofi Cofi wrote:

Always sad to see players leaving but really suprised to see Daf go. Hope he gets picked up by an English club and does'nt just go straight back to Llandyfri.
Off to Jersey I believe. 

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Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:39pm
So that's 18 players less for next season squad, would liked hp  to have stayed


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:40pm
I echo others on this forum thank you for your hard work and service for the Scarlets I’m sure if the budgets were more a few of these players would be staying. 

I wish all leavers all the best for the future (unless any will be joining the Ospreys, then I hope you step on Lego) 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 5:50pm
There will be some Academy contracts upgraded and maybe a few guys like Shenton added.
The hard thing for us to process is most of they guys won’t be replaced, and certainly not like for like. We will also be wafer thin in quite a few positions.

Tough day. Wishing all these guys all the very best.



Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 6:08pm
Peel  did say a while ago we will have squad of 38 players for next season.
So we  are looking at around that. Not sure how many we got so far


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Peel  did say a while ago we will have squad of 38 players for next season.
So we  are looking at around that. Not sure how many we got so far
I've got it listed as 36 at present but not sure if a couple are main squad or academy like Griff Evans and Lewis Morgan

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Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Peel  did say a while ago we will have squad of 38 players for next season.
So we  are looking at around that. Not sure how many we got so far
I've got it listed as 36 at present but not sure if a couple are main squad or academy like Griff Evans and Lewis Morgan

Im  not sure if the 38 include transitional  players(that's the term they are using), academy players to us, or not


Posted By: cymraes
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 6:44pm
Wishing them all well in this horrible climate. #OnceAScarlet


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 6:53pm
This is a shame, but not surprising in the current economic situation. Our thanks go to all the players released or retiring. 

I agree that releasing two hookers is a bit surprising, especially as both Ken and Ryan are likely to be in the Wales squad for the RWC... and I doubt that Ken will play very much longer. 


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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 8:30pm
Sadly losing a lot of committed and talented players who I hope will go on to succeed elsewhere if not retiring.
We are keeping a nucleus of experienced players in Ken, Samson, Foxy and Scott who may now be gradually making way for younger but equally talented players
Hopefully we can also complete the squad with maybe a second row, tighthead and maybe a back 3 player and outside half, probably all emerging youngsters, if we are to remain solvent


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 8:37pm
I can’t see us signing a outside half with Costello Lloyd and Jones.

Second row we are fairly light in weight and numbers in that position, unless we play Vaea Fifita but I’d rather have him play 6 with Carwyn at 8 and Dan Davis and Mcloed fighting for the 7 shirt.

At Tighthead hopefully Samson can be available from the start of next season that would be like a new signing with Wainwright and Harri O’Conner but only having 3 tightheads seems a little low, I’d definitely say we need 4 props for each side.


Posted By: diego6754
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 8:40pm
Surprised Daf is off, seems strange as i doubt he was that expensive and we are going to need another hooker during the international periods, if not two. May be Jersey genuinely made him a better offer than us. Halfpenny is a shame, playing really good rugby at the moment, understandable though.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 8:43pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Sadly losing a lot of committed and talented players who I hope will go on to succeed elsewhere if not retiring.
We are keeping a nucleus of experienced players in Ken, Samson, Foxy and Scott who may now be gradually making way for younger but equally talented players
Hopefully we can also complete the squad with maybe a second row, tighthead and maybe a back 3 player and outside half, probably all emerging youngsters, if we are to remain solvent


All those guys, plus a couple of others will need to move on next year to keep to the revised playing budget.



Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 8:55pm
It's a mixture  of sadness and inevitability,  I greet this news.
I was hoping that Shings would have an another  season, particularly,  as he playing  well, likewise Halfpenny.My other concern, echoed by other Scarlets  fans on here, is losing TWO hookers. We have two Welsh Internationals, one at the end of his career, leaving us with one hooker during WC & 6N, unless we sign another. 
A real concern. 
Back row, and second are thin, so I am hoping in hope , we can pick up a couple more signings.
All those who are leaving, I would like to thank,  for their loyalty and commitment  to Scarlets. 
Fortunately,  we will have a chance to thank them properly  a week tomorrow., on what will hopefully  will be a hell of a night of rugby.

We have paid our tributes to Shings in another wonderful thread, but I would like to add my own appreciation of Lewis Rawlings.
Lewis has been with us now 10 years and played both second row and back row.An incredibly  mobile , athletic  forward, who was also a good line-out  forward .Sadly  dogged by serious  injuries in the last two seasons,  ending  his career. My abiding  memory  of him was in the pro 12 final in 2017,when Jake was injured, he was pared with Tag Beirn. Early doors,  when were watching Shings, Lewis took the first three or four lineouts , setting the tone for a never forgotten  afternoon.It says it all.
Thank you Lewis and all those who are departing  Scarlets. 
We wish you well, wherever life takes you,and there will always  be a welcome here at Parc.
Diolch. 


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Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 10:04pm
I’m sad for them all but wish them the best of luck in the faith that sometimes, adversity leads to greater things. 

Regardless of this terrible situation, I honestly believe we are the strongest region to survive this financial onslaught because of the ongoing commitment of the board, the business savvy Simon and some deep seated crystal magic of West Wales and the power it holds. I’m not joking, I didn’t even grow up there. 

Onwards…




Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 10:15pm
Surprised Foxy hasn’t gone unless he’s in contract. Plenty of centres there. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Surprised Foxy hasn’t gone unless he’s in contract. Plenty of centres there. 

He has another year on his contract.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

This is a shame, but not surprising in the current economic situation. Our thanks go to all the players released or retiring. 

I agree that releasing two hookers is a bit surprising, especially as both Ken and Ryan are likely to be in the Wales squad for the RWC... and I doubt that Ken will play very much longer. 

Ken will play another season.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 21 April 2023 at 11:13pm
On the Eve of the judgement day....judgement has been past on 15 players.

I hate these announcements, these guys wore a Scarlet Jersey and for that , as a useless nobody I'm gratefully they did. Faces that created confidence when they stepped on the pitch are leaving. Maybe because its time to retire, maybe because of different ambitions...maybe it doesn't bloody matter, we all have players in that 15 we are sad to leave.

What do you say at these moments,  each and everyone of them have parents and family who wanted the very best for their Scarlet hero's,  so for them, all of them, thankyou for your commitment,  your effort and desire to play in Scarlet,  if it was my club no one who desires the Jersey would ever leave....May I wish everyone of you the best success and happiness in this World in whatever you do and thankyou. 




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Posted By: Mr Lee91
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 12:53am
That’s got to be around £1.2-1.4m in wages there and still some big earners (Wyn, Ken, Cawdor, Foxy-avg 350k=£1.4m) under contract likely to go next season. 
After today’s leavers announcement I’m already looking at next years leavers as I’m 100% sure Dwayne is, and thankfully this year he can get the contracts sorted early, maybe before the opening weekend given the late start.

Big Thank You!! and best wishes to all.

Can finally start getting hyped for next season with 95% of our squad known, hoping for 1-3 signings (probably just 1).
Going to be an interesting opening month or two of the season without Wyn, Ken, Elias, Fifita, Lousi, Hardy, Cawdor?, Costelow?, JBR & McNicholl? on RWC rest.

Really looking forward to seeing Sam O’Connor, Lewis Morgan & Archie Hughes next season as well as Price & Jones in the boiler house together.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 7:17am
The sad day we all knew was coming. What can you say but wish them all the very best for the future. Many great servants on that list. Pimp above has pointed out the contribution of Rawlins. Before his injuries caught up with him he alongside Aaron set the defensive tone we were seeking. He hit hard and fair & consistently. 

As for losing two hookers I like many was a little surprised. From what I have seen of Shaun Evans he will be challenging very hard top be first choice - two Welsh Internationals or not. Lewis Morgan I think is the academy lad to step up. The WRU may call this progress - I just cannot agree. 


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 7:33am
Gutted to lose Halfpenny had heard he was being lined up in some coaching/ playing agreement what a role model for our kickers and players in general he would have been. 
Shaun Evans has been superb this season not a bad number 3 hooker.
The reality of what the WRU have done is now coming home to roost. What they have done to young rugby players who are now unemployed because of their bad governance is the real shame of the Welsh rugby debacle. 
Shame on you blazer wearing hangers on who just take and are in it for themselves. 


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 8:11am
A big thank you to all the players leaving, you've all honoured the shirt and given me great memories. 

Yes the hooker position doesn't quite seem to be as we expect but it is about the only position where we seem really short and the chaotic governance of the WRU was always going to stress test this process. That we only have one position where we are worse than a bit short is a tribute to our management. If the other regions are not in a worse place at the start of next season, I'll be very surprised.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 9:01am
Originally posted by John John wrote:

A big thank you to all the players leaving, you've all honoured the shirt and given me great memories. 

Yes the hooker position doesn't quite seem to be as we expect but it is about the only position where we seem really short and the chaotic governance of the WRU was always going to stress test this process. That we only have one position where we are worse than a bit short is a tribute to our management. If the other regions are not in a worse place at the start of next season, I'll be very surprised.
If we are short of hookers, are we reasonably stocked at prop? If so, like Ireland did with Cian Healy, we could have a prop multitasking and someone else throwing into line outs. A bit of lateral thought and practice in (extra) training.

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 9:56am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

This is a shame, but not surprising in the current economic situation. Our thanks go to all the players released or retiring. 

I agree that releasing two hookers is a bit surprising, especially as both Ken and Ryan are likely to be in the Wales squad for the RWC... and I doubt that Ken will play very much longer. 

Ken will play another season.

Do you mean the 2024-5 season?

I always thought he'd want another crack at the RWC in 2023-4, but might well call it a day after that.


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Posted By: ChrisX
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 10:47am
with the 15 confirmed departures, I have a squad of around 33 so we need another 5 to take us up to the suggested 38 at least.

Think we need another wing/back 3 player, tighthead prop, second row and 2 in the back row including a number 8. 


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

A big thank you to all the players leaving, you've all honoured the shirt and given me great memories. 

Yes the hooker position doesn't quite seem to be as we expect but it is about the only position where we seem really short and the chaotic governance of the WRU was always going to stress test this process. That we only have one position where we are worse than a bit short is a tribute to our management. If the other regions are not in a worse place at the start of next season, I'll be very surprised.
If we are short of hookers, are we reasonably stocked at prop? If so, like Ireland did with Cian Healy, we could have a prop multitasking and someone else throwing into line outs. A bit of lateral thought and practice in (extra) training.

We're short to an extent everywhere but if Ken and Ryan are with Wales, we've got two hookers left. That's really short before one of them gets an injury.


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 1:44pm
We will use the feeder clubs more  I guess


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 22 April 2023 at 5:13pm
You can always get temporary players in from the feeder clubs or other regions.

I think all clubs have carried too many players in the past the amount of players that only play 3 or 4 games a season is unbelievable. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 26 April 2023 at 9:39pm

Taylor Davies

Having been released from the Scarlets, Davies is picking up his rugby close to home and has signed for Llandovery next season.



Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 26 April 2023 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Taylor Davies

Having been released from the Scarlets, Davies is picking up his rugby close to home and has signed for Llandovery next season.


I believe Llandovery have signed Iestyn Rees aswell according to reports


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 26 April 2023 at 9:46pm
I thought Cardiff might’ve picked up one of our hookers now that Dacey is retiring. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 26 April 2023 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

I thought Cardiff might’ve picked up one of our hookers now that Dacey is retiring. 

Dacey apparently going to Merthyr 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 12:59am
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Taylor Davies

Having been released from the Scarlets, Davies is picking up his rugby close to home and has signed for Llandovery next season.

good luck to Taylor who was superb for the RFC and never quite broke through at the top end. I am confused ( as usual) on how clubs like Drovers will fit in with the new elite league if they sign players like Taylor and Iestyn Rees etc. They will certainly stiffen the challenge for any further reborn Llanelli team in 24/25 to play I guess and perhaps even be better placed to a permitted to the Scarlets for urgent cover? Don’t know really. I still have not got over the rfc not honour games as a club owned by the region . It won’t have gained us anything in the popularity stakes. Looking forward to all the answers being provided! 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 6:16am
It's a classic piece of Welsh rugby architecture this.

Semi pro clubs can afford to sign players that the Pro teams can't.

Beauty.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 8:52am
Good luck to both players. I agree with Wil's sentiments its a strange old world. From a purely Scarlets viewpoint it is good news having these players still keeping their fitness levels high & being on our doorstep. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we will be calling on a number of players in the coming seasons from local clubs. 


Posted By: SA23
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 9:57am
How is it going to work next season say if Scarlets have an injury crisis at hooker? Will they be able to call up Taylor Davies from Drovers? Or would they have to get him/someone else on loan/permit? Presume they would be allowed to go over their cap in that instance as to fulfil fixtures? 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 10:01am
Apparently I've been told the Llanelli area has never been short of hookers Wink


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 10:11am
Originally posted by SA23 SA23 wrote:

How is it going to work next season say if Scarlets have an injury crisis at hooker? Will they be able to call up Taylor Davies from Drovers? Or would they have to get him/someone else on loan/permit? Presume they would be allowed to go over their cap in that instance as to fulfil fixtures? 

I guess it will be similar to what the Ospreys have done with Doel.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Apparently I've been told the Llanelli area has never been short of hookers Wink
I’m sure you look very fetching in your latex Scarlet coloured Hot pants ! 😉😁


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 3:46pm
The Rfc is certainly getting a lot of stick on SM today about failing to honour the Newport game. I find it all very uncomfortable to accept. We are making no friends for sure on the public relations image for the Scarlets. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

The Rfc is certainly getting a lot of stick on SM today about failing to honour the Newport game. I find it all very uncomfortable to accept. We are making no friends for sure on the public relations image for the Scarlets. 

It is & to be honest it's systematic of what's happening across the community game too.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

The Rfc is certainly getting a lot of stick on SM today about failing to honour the Newport game. I find it all very uncomfortable to accept. We are making no friends for sure on the public relations image for the Scarlets. 

It is & to be honest it's systematic of what's happening across the community game too.


In Welsh Club rugby this season, there have 190 20-0 BP wins awarded for match cancellations. Unbelievable amount, and well over 400 games postponed/cancelled.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 5:27pm
This next 2 weeks will see that 190 number swell significantly


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 7:32pm
Sadly you’re right there. We’ve managed to play all but one game this season, we’ll we will have by the end of it. 


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 7:53pm
Cancelled games are the scourge of England as well boys 5 in the league my son plays in and big clubs to


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 8:01pm
Doesn’t help when you have players who play for premiership and championship sides permitting to smaller teams in div 3!!


Posted By: Hendre
Date Posted: 27 April 2023 at 8:58pm
Prem players can’t play below Div One! 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 6:17am
Originally posted by Hendre Hendre wrote:

Prem players can’t play below Div One! 🤷🏼‍♂️

They can if they’re playing for their club of origin. Played against Jack Price last season in div 3. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 7:22am
Yep. Not for this thread, but some of the league's are being won by either playing a load of Prem players in key games, or from weaker teams throwing games and giving the opponents 5 points.

So far this week, in Div 1 West, of the 8 fixtures planned, 4 have been walkovers (and it's only Friday morning).

Kills the game form a match day income/hospitality point of view.

This was obvious months ago as teams that didn't fulfil fixtures were given 'rearranged' dates...those same fixtures are now walkovers...the rearranged games triggered an obvious end of season fixture bus crash.
Most teams still have 3/4/5 league games left to play. Most of them will end up 20-0.

April simply cannot be your busiest fixture month.



Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 8:06am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Yep. Not for this thread, but some of the league's are being won by either playing a load of Prem players in key games, or from weaker teams throwing games and giving the opponents 5 points.

So far this week, in Div 1 West, of the 8 fixtures planned, 4 have been walkovers (and it's only Friday morning).

Kills the game form a match day income/hospitality point of view.

This was obvious months ago as teams that didn't fulfil fixtures were given 'rearranged' dates...those same fixtures are now walkovers...the rearranged games triggered an obvious end of season fixture bus crash.
Most teams still have 3/4/5 league games left to play. Most of them will end up 20-0.

April simply cannot be your busiest fixture month.


Agreed Wil, we share our pitch with the cricket team so we have to get our home games done by the end of April. We have played midweek games to get this done. Our last scheduled match is the 20th May by which time half our team will be playing cricket.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 10:59am
Unless it's genuinely weather related it should be a 20-nil win straight away, it doesn't solve the problem around teams being unable to field a team but at least it avoids such a mess at the end of the season.

It's similar in youth rugby too with the added mess of having some pre and post Christmas leagues, with the pre Christmas uncompleted league deciding who goes into what leagues post Christmas.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 5:10pm
More games called off 

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Rugby - WRU National Leagues - 23 games have been called off tomorrow Saturday April 29 with 18 of them confirmed as 20-0 wins - check if your club is affected here https://t.co/yQhZfaIHcq" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 5:11pm
They’re all going to Parc y Scarlets instead. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 7:38pm


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 28 April 2023 at 7:44pm
Championship clubs funding going down from 15,000 to 4,000 think lots of clubs going to struggle next season  how many clubs will survive 


Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 4:38pm
Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:01pm
I see Bedwas have forfeited their game v Pontypool as well. Injuries and probably expecting a thrashing. You would just not expect this . I still can’t accept the rfc farce in not honouring games. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 
 

he must be a cheap signing with his track record . Im sorry that he did nothing with us despite the gnashing  and wailing of people when he went to Exeter because he felt English and talk of how good he was. He is 24 now and so really needs to pull his socks up next season. Hopefully someone like Steff Hughes will mentor him.


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 
why has it baffled you?


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 
 

he must be a cheap signing with his track record . Im sorry that he did nothing with us despite the gnashing  and wailing of people when he went to Exeter because he felt English and talk of how good he was. He really needs to pull his socks up next season. 
Wasn’t his move to Exeter blamed on us selecting him on the wing when he saw himself as an outside centre? If that’s where he wants to play he’ll have a better chance with the Dragons than with us.

I think a few on here did get a bit carried away with regards to his potential. He’s never really struck me as someone who would be an influential player. 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 
 

he must be a cheap signing with his track record . Im sorry that he did nothing with us despite the gnashing  and wailing of people when he went to Exeter because he felt English and talk of how good he was. He really needs to pull his socks up next season. 
Wasn’t his move to Exeter blamed on us selecting him on the wing when he saw himself as an outside centre? If that’s where he wants to play he’ll have a better chance with the Dragons than with us.

I think a few on here did get a bit carried away with regards to his potential. He’s never really struck me as someone who would be an influential player. 
what length of contract does he have?


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

 what length of contract does he have?
1 year, I’ve read somewhere.


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

 what length of contract does he have?
1 year, I’ve read somewhere.
he be playing for a premiership side after a year. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

 what length of contract does he have?
1 year, I’ve read somewhere.
Dai Flan probably thinks it’s worth a punt. Still a young guy who may kick on 


Posted By: Llanelli1963
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

 what length of contract does he have?
1 year, I’ve read somewhere.
Dai Flan probably thinks it’s worth a punt. Still a young guy who may kick on 
I read what he said about him. His words don’t match the contract. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Good luck to Corey B at the Dragons. The Scarlets ‘b team’
will be keen to thrash our backsides for years to come. 

This is another of those decisions which has baffled me. 
 

he must be a cheap signing with his track record . Im sorry that he did nothing with us despite the gnashing  and wailing of people when he went to Exeter because he felt English and talk of how good he was. He really needs to pull his socks up next season. 
Wasn’t his move to Exeter blamed on us selecting him on the wing when he saw himself as an outside centre? If that’s where he wants to play he’ll have a better chance with the Dragons than with us.

I think a few on here did get a bit carried away with regards to his potential. He’s never really struck me as someone who would be an influential player. 
Don't want to get into a long drawn argument but how many chances has he been given to prove his point?without delving into stats i think when he has played he has scored.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

 what length of contract does he have?
1 year, I’ve read somewhere.
he be playing for a premiership side after a year. 
They pay more.Wink


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 03 May 2023 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:


Don't want to get into a long drawn argument but how many chances has he been given to prove his point?without delving into stats i think when he has played he has scored.
I don’t see him having any points of difference to his game. I’d rate him at 6 or 7 out of 10 in most facets so squad cover is probably his level. If money wasn’t so tight we might’ve wanted to keep him on to play in whatever competition our seconds/development team plays in next season. 


Posted By: Huwbach
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 6:25am
My main point is two aging centres and two/three that will be away with Wales from now on. As Ladram says, his strike rate is pretty high. Anyway, good luck lad. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 6:33am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:


Don't want to get into a long drawn argument but how many chances has he been given to prove his point?without delving into stats i think when he has played he has scored.
I don’t see him having any points of difference to his game. I’d rate him at 6 or 7 out of 10 in most facets so squad cover is probably his level. If money wasn’t so tight we might’ve wanted to keep him on to play in whatever competition our seconds/development team plays in next season. 


What seems to have gone relatively under the radar is that his non selection is often down to unfortunate mid term length injury...for exmaple he hasn't been available since Janaury, missed a lot last season, and the beginning of this...

In that time Joe, Ioan and Eddy have gone past him.

He rolled the dice with the Exeter move, but didn't get any game time and lost out on valuable time on skills and tactical development.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 7:07am
I am one of Corey's biggest fans with some knowledge family wise. What is not in doubt are three things :-

1. At under 20 level he was regarded as a rising star at 13.
2. When available during his time at PYS & when we had a selection crisis at 13 he was overlooked with even Steff Evans selected ahead of him.
3. His injury record since 20's time has been poor. 

All told I don't think I would disagree with anyone who felt that maybe we lost an opportunity somewhere along the line to give him some time at 13 but I would also agree with Wil that injuries may well have played a significant part in that lack of gametime. 

Nobody is right or wrong here - I am glad that he has picked up another contract because, like many in Wales, he was looking at perhaps giving up rugby professionally. Good luck Corey - stay fit young man & show what you can do. 


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 11:21am
Ulster releasing players including a 27-year-old second row, 6ft 8 1/2 and 19st who played 101 game for Nevers in French D2 which is a tough gig. Punt?


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 12:37pm
whats the players name?

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

whats the players name?

Frank Bradshaw-Ryan. Only 27 but has only made 1 appearance for Ulster this season.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 12:50pm
Another Bierne perhaps


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I am one of Corey's biggest fans with some knowledge family wise. What is not in doubt are three things :-

1. At under 20 level he was regarded as a rising star at 13.
2. When available during his time at PYS & when we had a selection crisis at 13 he was overlooked with even Steff Evans selected ahead of him.
3. His injury record since 20's time has been poor. 

All told I don't think I would disagree with anyone who felt that maybe we lost an opportunity somewhere along the line to give him some time at 13 but I would also agree with Wil that injuries may well have played a significant part in that lack of gametime. 

Nobody is right or wrong here - I am glad that he has picked up another contract because, like many in Wales, he was looking at perhaps giving up rugby professionally. Good luck Corey - stay fit young man & show what you can do. 
Yes -well said 👍


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Another Bierne perhaps

I don't think we'd be that lucky but apparently he only signed for Ulster on a 1 year deal after 6 years in France after coming through the Munster academy and Ireland U-19s. Known for his carrying and lineout ability. 

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/rugby/introducing-frank-bradshaw-ryan-ulsters-23190301" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/rugby/introducing-frank-bradshaw-ryan-ulsters-23190301

Includes a Youtube highlight reel. 

He'll probably head back to France but he's big, athletic, a lineout specialist, and some of the clips show good hands too. 


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 2:29pm
Bradshaw-Ryan is probably more alike Tom Price than Beirne and there's probably a good reason why he's only had one game for Ulster in the season he was there. On the other hand I doubt if you could make a similar highlights video for Tom Price.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 2:44pm
I think that's largely because Ulster had a fairly settled 4 second rows ahead of him in O'Conner, Treadwell, Carter and Henderson. He only signed for 1 year so I'm wondering if someone was injured pre-season so he was just cover. 

Anyway, point is, very few large second rows come up in budget, even less flukes like Beirne.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I think that's largely because Ulster had a fairly settled 4 second rows ahead of him in O'Conner, Treadwell, Carter and Henderson. He only signed for 1 year so I'm wondering if someone was injured pre-season so he was just cover. 

Anyway, point is, very few large second rows come up in budget, even less flukes like Beirne.

Yeah looking on a couple of other forums, he was signed with a view to a couple of Ulster players being away & injuries but that wasn't the case & he wasn't given a look in.

Might be worth a one year deal if cheap enough.


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 3:13pm
unless hes a certainty would stay away. we only have so much budget and i think taking punts on players at the moment is too much of a risk with our limited funding, unless we know indepth knowledge on someone.
hoping van den burg when he comes in knows a 2nd row or 2 from south africa. 


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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 3:45pm
I don't disagree with you, but he's put a solid stint in French D2 and signed a two-year extension with Nevers before joining Ulster so he's not a completely unknown quantity. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I don't disagree with you, but he's put a solid stint in French D2 and signed a two-year extension with Nevers before joining Ulster so he's not a completely unknown quantity. 
I’ve not followed ProD2 for a huge period, however, Nevers haven’t necessarily threatened the play-offs during that time as far as I recall - could be wrong though. EDIT That’s not the situation at all. See below.

As far as reinforcements from SA, Wil and others on here would know more about comparative pay. You’d imagine getting better value in that market and with Van den Berg, it’s likely he’d be well-placed to identify someone appropriate. Plus haven’t our SA signings generally gone well?


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I don't disagree with you, but he's put a solid stint in French D2 and signed a two-year extension with Nevers before joining Ulster so he's not a completely unknown quantity. 
I’ve not followed ProD2 for a huge period, however, Nevers haven’t necessarily threatened the play-offs during that time as far as I recall - could be wrong though.

As far as reinforcements from SA, Wil and others on here would know more about comparative pay. You’d imagine getting better value in that market and with Van den Berg, it’s likely he’d be well-placed to identify someone appropriate. Plus haven’t our SA signings generally gone well?

Werner yes a real nugget, Bullbring yes during our Championship season, Cassiem yes in his second season, we now know he was carrying an injury 1st season, Snyman was ok, George Earle was a little injury prone from memory. Clayton Blommetjies not so good. 

Can't think of any other SA players we've had. So I'd agree, overall they've gone well.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I don't disagree with you, but he's put a solid stint in French D2 and signed a two-year extension with Nevers before joining Ulster so he's not a completely unknown quantity. 
I’ve not followed ProD2 for a huge period, however, Nevers haven’t necessarily threatened the play-offs during that time as far as I recall - could be wrong though.

As far as reinforcements from SA, Wil and others on here would know more about comparative pay. You’d imagine getting better value in that market and with Van den Berg, it’s likely he’d be well-placed to identify someone appropriate. Plus haven’t our SA signings generally gone well?
Just checked my inclination re Nevers and I was completely wrong. They’ve been really consistent over the last 5 years at least, being in or just outside the play-offs

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Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 04 May 2023 at 9:45pm
Personally I would prefer a Tongan second row who would assimilate to the successful culture that already exists in the squad. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 5:49am
Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Personally I would prefer a Tongan second row who would assimilate to the successful culture that already exists in the squad. 


There is something in this actually.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 7:24am
If the Tongan recruit was a hard nosed scrummaging type of lock thats fine. We don't need another looser type of 2nd row with Louisi. Morgan Jones has made that step up so we need some back up. Hopefully Jac Price will get himself fit and start to build on the promise shown in 2022 but currently we have 3 genuine 2nd rows on our books which is way under strength. 


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 7:43am
certainly need 2 2nd rows and another backrower, plus a hard scrummaging tight head.....but these are all if we had money!

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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 10:00am
No worries Eastern!

I'd love another Tongan, unfortunately if you look at the Tonga Rugby wiki, we have two of their and two others are Fifita's brother and Timani at the Blues!

Speaking of... looking at the Scarlets wikipedia page they've updated the squad and it makes for very interesting (visual) reading. 

3LH and 3TH - Sam OC would be 4th LH, not sure who from the academy is TH
Hooker - fine - Young would come in as 5th
2nd Row - 5 - potential for Salmon to step up but he's not that tall. Don't know the other two.
Back row - Eeek. 4 players technically on the books. Assuming Fifita moves to 6 more regularly, still only 2 sevens and 2 sixes. Ben Williams and Giannini both to step up at 8 (?) and 7. Hoping Will Plessis is a massive Saffer!
SHs - Fine
OHs - Fine as long as one of the academy guys has potential
Centres - with the ability of Steff and McNicholl and Nicholas to slot in, and Gwilliam and Page coming up we're OK here. I don't think Joe Roberts will make the final RWC squad either (and that's a good thing for him and us I think).
Wings / FB - Callum Williams getting involved... a little shy at FB tbh but I think we'll have to manage.

Trying to be realistic, personally I think we need to forget about signing a prop. A second row is needed so that Fifita can move into the back row regularly. We're still looking light there though. I think the backs will largely stay as they are. Overall 1 SR and 1 BR player... decent signatures with through the year potential. 



Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 10:19am
Will Stowe is a young No 8 from Stowe School, Buckinghamshire! He's on a 5 year contract, though.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

No worries Eastern!

I'd love another Tongan, unfortunately if you look at the Tonga Rugby wiki, we have two of their and two others are Fifita's brother and Timani at the Blues!

Speaking of... looking at the Scarlets wikipedia page they've updated the squad and it makes for very interesting (visual) reading. 

3LH and 3TH - Sam OC would be 4th LH, not sure who from the academy is TH
Hooker - fine - Young would come in as 5th
2nd Row - 5 - potential for Salmon to step up but he's not that tall. Don't know the other two.
Back row - Eeek. 4 players technically on the books. Assuming Fifita moves to 6 more regularly, still only 2 sevens and 2 sixes. Ben Williams and Giannini both to step up at 8 (?) and 7. Hoping Will Plessis is a massive Saffer!
SHs - Fine
OHs - Fine as long as one of the academy guys has potential
Centres - with the ability of Steff and McNicholl and Nicholas to slot in, and Gwilliam and Page coming up we're OK here. I don't think Joe Roberts will make the final RWC squad either (and that's a good thing for him and us I think).
Wings / FB - Callum Williams getting involved... a little shy at FB tbh but I think we'll have to manage.

Trying to be realistic, personally I think we need to forget about signing a prop. A second row is needed so that Fifita can move into the back row regularly. We're still looking light there though. I think the backs will largely stay as they are. Overall 1 SR and 1 BR player... decent signatures with through the year potential. 



I take it that these are your suggestions (from our Academy)for additions to the squad shown on wikipedia.
Will Plessis is not a "massive Saffer" but he is a very good back-rower who has room to fill-out!
Maybe Caleb Salmon would be a better bet as another 8, in which case another second row signing is even more important. Best of luck in your search Cubby!!


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 05 May 2023 at 11:02am
With a th, a young x factor hooker and a second row, we are complete.
Maybe a fullback in addition can offer a batter covering, but all depend of o
Our budget 



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