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Topic: side for Fiji on sunday
Posted By: scarletpimp
Subject: side for Fiji on sunday
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 1:01am
Lets get in to mood for Fridays team announcement by selecting the side to face the Fijians..or /and selecting the side you think Gatland will pick.
The bulk of the side does pick itself, but there are a number of close calls
mainly at inside centre, inside half, tight head, hooker.

my side....
Sanjay, LZR, North, Williams, Adams, Biggar, Cawdor, Thomas, Elias, Francis, Rowlands, Jenkins, wainwright, Falateau, Morgan (capt).

Grady, Costelow, Williams, Smith, Lane, Thomas, beard Basham

(not enthusiastic about Beard, but limited options)

 Regarding Gatland. he favours Tomos Williams and Tomkins, also lane and Lydiate


Will be interesting to hear peoples views


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 6:57am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Lets get in to mood for Fridays team announcement by selecting the side to face the Fijians..or /and selecting the side you think Gatland will pick.
The bulk of the side does pick itself, but there are a number of close calls
mainly at inside centre, inside half, tight head, hooker.

my side....
Sanjay, LZR, North, Williams, Adams, Biggar, Cawdor, Thomas, Elias, Francis, Rowlands, Jenkins, wainwright, Falateau, Morgan (capt).

Grady, Costelow, Williams, Smith, Lane, Thomas, beard Basham

(not enthusiastic about Beard, but limited options)

 Regarding Gatland. he favours Tomos Williams and Tomkins, also lane and Lydiate


Will be interesting to hear peoples views

Interesting exercise Pimp. Can see the merit of all your back selections but would raise one point. Adams so far has not impressed & everyone is bigging up the attributes of pace and size that Grady possesses so I have a feeling that he may play on the wing. Personally I think Joe Roberts is a better 13 than either Grady or North but whoever plays in the middle of the field is going to have their work cut out. 

On to the forwards - again Gatland talks about mobility being one of the reasons for not including Wyn Jones so does that not also apply to Francis? Sticking with the front row isn't it a risk playing two hookers in the 23 who have been long term injured? In addition Fiji's lineout appears to be their weakness so for me Elliot Dee to start alongside both Thomas props & Wainwright on the bench to cover Faletau with Tschiunza at 6 giving us better lineout options. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 8:02am
Lake to start for me if fit. beatd will also start if we like iit or notWink


Posted By: ndavies198
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 10:34am
For me I'd go Halfpenny at 15 with Liam on the wing - defence is going to be important against Fiji surely. I'd also rather see Henry Thomas start at tighthead over Francis. I really hope we start with Gareth Davies at 9 because for all his talent Tomos Williams is too erratic and against a team like Fiji they could really punish us when he makes a back door pass to nobody.

Halfpenny, LRZ, North, Johnny Williams, Liam, Biggar, Davies, Faletau, Wainwright, Morgan, Rowlands, Jenkins, Henry Thomas, Elias, Nicky Smith

Dyer, Costellow, Williams, Basham, Tschiunza, Gareth Thomas, Dillon Lewis 

Bad news for Fiji this morning with Caleb Muntz ruled out of the tournament - feels like a player who epitomised this new era of Fiji so it's a big shame for him to miss the whole thing.


Posted By: ndavies198
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 10:46am
Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

For me I'd go Halfpenny at 15 with Liam on the wing - defence is going to be important against Fiji surely. I'd also rather see Henry Thomas start at tighthead over Francis. I really hope we start with Gareth Davies at 9 because for all his talent Tomos Williams is too erratic and against a team like Fiji they could really punish us when he makes a back door pass to nobody.

Halfpenny, LRZ, North, Johnny Williams, Liam, Biggar, Davies, Faletau, Wainwright, Morgan, Rowlands, Jenkins, Henry Thomas, Elias, Nicky Smith

Dyer, Costellow, Williams, Basham, Tschiunza, Gareth Thomas, Dillon Lewis 

Bad news for Fiji this morning with Caleb Muntz ruled out of the tournament - feels like a player who epitomised this new era of Fiji so it's a big shame for him to miss the whole thing.

Realising there's no centre cover so I would have to put either Adams or Grady on the bench instead of Dyer. It's tough as neither have really put their hand up through the Six Nations and Summer Series so it's toss up between Adam's reputation or Grady's potential for that one...


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 11:50am
Confirmed - Caleb Muntz out of the RWC for Fiji. Injured his knee in training. Huge blow for them big boost for us. Rumour mill suggests Gat will go - 
Williams
LRZ
North
Tompkins
Adams
Biggar
Davies

Faletau
Morgan
Wainwright
Beard
Rowlands
Francis
Elias
Thomas


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Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 6:30pm
Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 


Frequent ill fitting scrum cap adjustments.

I can’t understand Rhys Davies’ exclusion.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 

He’s a bit of a pantomime character across the board. If he had pplayer of the tournament people would still criticise. 


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Confirmed - Caleb Muntz out of the RWC for Fiji. Injured his knee in training. Huge blow for them big boost for us. Rumour mill suggests Gat will go - 
Williams
LRZ
North
Tompkins
Adams
Biggar
Davies

Faletau
Morgan
Wainwright
Beard
Rowlands
Francis
Elias
Thomas

Don't know if Gareth will start over Tomos...Both will add impact off the bench whoever is there


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 06 September 2023 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 

He’s a bit of a pantomime character across the board. If he had pplayer of the tournament people would still criticise. 

Hes not going too though is he 


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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 7:22am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 

He’s a bit of a pantomime character across the board. If he had pplayer of the tournament people would still criticise. 
The evidence of his past performances would suggest not. 
As everyone is aware I am the chairman of the Beard appreciation society. 
He is a big lump full stop offers nothing and as line out Captain often chooses to use others not himself. 
Tries to charge the scrum Half down at every box kick therefore not being fully committed to the preceding ruck or maul as he is usually last to arrive.
He has had one charge down in last three seasons after failing to get the charge down he ambles back and is out of the next two phases of play.

In the meantime when Dafydd Jenkins plays he is usually one of the first to the ruck/ mauls he carries the ball is a good lineout option and makes positive tackles as opposed to Beard who waits for runners to go into him.

If anyone can enlighten me as to what Beard offers apart from size and pointing please help me. Please don’t say experience because experience can be bad as well as good, or mauling in defence which is a basic of any second row. 

As far as team goes I would be bold and pick Costellow and JBR with Biggar on bench if it hits the fan Daf Jenkins starting Tzhunia on bench. 

We surely can’t pick Francis, Beard and Lydiate in same pack against Fiji but think Gatland may well do. 

Argggh I promised myself I wouldn’t get Bearditus this World Cup but it’s started before the tournament has even started. 





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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 10:18am
Team will be out today, Lake & Faletau starting.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Beard will be selected 

Apparantly he's 'trained well' 🥱

Look forward to his usual array of attempt box kick chargedowns, pointing, ruck touching, and the occasional fall over 

He’s a bit of a pantomime character across the board. If he had pplayer of the tournament people would still criticise. 
Oh no they wouldn't.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:01pm

15 Liam Williams (Kubota Spears – 85 caps)
14 Louis Rees Zammit (Gloucester Rugby – 27 caps)*
13 George North (Ospreys – 114 caps)
12 Nick Tompkins (Saracens – 28 caps)*
11 Josh Adams (Cardiff Rugby – 50 caps)
10 Dan Biggar (RC Toulonnais – 109 caps)
9 Gareth Davies (Scarlets – 69 caps);
1 Gareth Thomas (Ospreys – 22 caps)*
2 Ryan Elias (Scarlets – 34 caps)
3 Tomas Francis (Provence Rugby – 72 caps)
4 Will Rowlands (Racing 92 – 25 caps)*
5 Adam Beard (Ospreys – 47 caps)
6 Aaron Wainwright (Dragons – 39 caps)
7 Jac Morgan (Ospreys – 11 caps) captain*
8 Taulupe Faletau (Cardiff Rugby – 100 caps)

Replacements
16 Elliot Dee (Dragons – 43 caps)
17 Corey Domachowski ( Cardiff Rugby – 2 caps)*
18 Dillon Lewis (Harlequins – 51 caps)
19 Dafydd Jenkins (Exeter Chiefs – 7 caps)*
20 Tommy Reffell (Leicester Tigers – 10 caps)*
21 Tomos Williams (Cardiff Rugby – 48 caps)
22 Sam Costelow (Scarlets – 4 caps)*
23 Rio Dyer (Dragons – 9 caps)*



Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Confirmed - Caleb Muntz out of the RWC for Fiji. Injured his knee in training. Huge blow for them big boost for us. Rumour mill suggests Gat will go - 
Williams
LRZ
North
Tompkins
Adams
Biggar
Davies

Faletau
Morgan
Wainwright
Beard
Rowlands
Francis
Elias
Thomas

Spot on! Do you by any chance know this week’s lottery numbers?


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:22pm
Lots of undercooked players in that squad. 

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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:28pm
An early knock to one of the starting centres will present a problem with Costellow and Dyer as the available subs. Also scrums may be an issue in the second half with Dee and Lewis both on the field.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

An early knock to one of the starting centres will present a problem with Costellow and Dyer as the available subs. Also scrums may be an issue in the second half with Dee and Lewis both on the field.

Some strange choices. We have a winger playing 13 & yet another wing on the bench!!!!! Surely the 23 shirt was made for Grady - his non involvement suggests the hype surrounding him was a little out of proportion. 

As all 33 were available we can only assume that Gats doesn't fancy Lake & his throwing or indeed that Henry Thomas has not met expectations. In addition Nicky Smith must be wondering what he has to do to get a game. Our lineout will come in for some testing with a lot expected of Wainwright. Well done to Cawdor for getting the starting shirt & Costelow for his bench spot. 

Tompkins against Radrada or indeed Botia will not be pretty viewing. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

An early knock to one of the starting centres will present a problem with Costellow and Dyer as the available subs. Also scrums may be an issue in the second half with Dee and Lewis both on the field.

Some strange choices. We have a winger playing 13 & yet another wing on the bench!!!!! Surely the 23 shirt was made for Grady - his non involvement suggests the hype surrounding him was a little out of proportion. 

As all 33 were available we can only assume that Gats doesn't fancy Lake & his throwing or indeed that Henry Thomas has not met expectations. In addition Nicky Smith must be wondering what he has to do to get a game. Our lineout will come in for some testing with a lot expected of Wainwright. Well done to Cawdor for getting the starting shirt & Costelow for his bench spot. 

Tompkins against Radrada or indeed Botia will not be pretty viewing. 

I think Gatland said it was just he hadn't enough minutes under the belt in training.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 2:59pm
Tomkins picked as he will have loads of experience playing Radrada in premiership. Possible played against the others in Europe too so can understand up to point.
Really worries about the front row coming on in second half looks weak to me and they could get mullered in scrums. He has picked a bench to get round park at end of game with Reffell, Jenkins Dee and Williams.
Adams to cover centre worrying.
Anyway we can do it.
I haven’t even mentioned Beard doh. 



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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

An early knock to one of the starting centres will present a problem with Costellow and Dyer as the available subs. Also scrums may be an issue in the second half with Dee and Lewis both on the field.

Some strange choices. We have a winger playing 13 & yet another wing on the bench!!!!! Surely the 23 shirt was made for Grady - his non involvement suggests the hype surrounding him was a little out of proportion. 

As all 33 were available we can only assume that Gats doesn't fancy Lake & his throwing or indeed that Henry Thomas has not met expectations. In addition Nicky Smith must be wondering what he has to do to get a game. Our lineout will come in for some testing with a lot expected of Wainwright. Well done to Cawdor for getting the starting shirt & Costelow for his bench spot. 

Tompkins against Radrada or indeed Botia will not be pretty viewing. 

I think Gatland said it was just he hadn't enough minutes under the belt in training.

I think that Lake is currently a better impact sub than starter. So if fit he might have been on the bench, to take over the captaincy when Reffell comes on for Mogan.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 6:05pm
I love Taulupe. Top guy, top pro, and Wales’ first choice for over a dozen years.

That Fiji back row is one heck of a unit though, and I really hope he hasn’t been thrown in because of his experience/ lack of alternatives. He’s missed a lot of rugby.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I love Taulupe. Top guy, top pro, and Wales’ first choice for over a dozen years.

That Fiji back row is one heck of a unit though, and I really hope he hasn’t been thrown in because of his experience/ lack of alternatives. He’s missed a lot of rugby.
If there’s one player I think we could throw in and he’d look like he hasn’t missed a beat, it’s Taulupe.

(I hope this doesn’t come back to bite me!)


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 9:06pm
Fingers crossed.


Fancy Gareth Davies for a meat pie.


7 tries across the 2015 & 2019 RWC’s. Prolific..

Can’t find any scrum half with more tries in the RWC ( probably wrong).


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 07 September 2023 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Fingers crossed.


Fancy Gareth Davies for a meat pie.


7 tries across the 2015 & 2019 RWC’s. Prolific..

Can’t find any scrum half with more tries in the RWC ( probably wrong).
One obvious negative for Fiji when they beat England was the slowness of their 9 when passing from the ruck. Crying out for a Cawdor intercept.


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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 1:24am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Fingers crossed.


Fancy Gareth Davies for a meat pie.


7 tries across the 2015 & 2019 RWC’s. Prolific..

Can’t find any scrum half with more tries in the RWC ( probably wrong).

Thanks for mentioning Cawdor Will !
He has not had the recognition he deserves for where he is now.
This time last year, he was out of Pivac's squad...4th(or even 5th choice)  scrum half.
Even on his own assessment, he was off the form, we had been accustomed to.
During the season though, he silenced the critics with excellent, dynamic performances, full of commitment, energy, and dynamism. He must have worked incredibly hard
Gareth has deserved his place , and a scarlet, we are really proud of him!

On another point, I got 13 out 15, for  the starting line up on Sun.
The only two I did not pick, were Tomkins and Beard


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 7:20am
I never thought Tompkins would start with Jonny now fit.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 7:36am
Nor me Wil, I thought we’d go with JW’s physicality but Gatland likes Tompkins by the looks of it. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 8:29am
Well the time for all the hype/bullpoo is coming to an end. On the predictions thread my heart has totally overruled my head but here I will let my head take over. Gatland has drummed into the whole squad the mantra about being to hell & back in search of that fitness edge. Fact or fiction????? We will find out on Sunday evening around 30 minutes in to the first half & from 60 minutes onwards.

My dilemma with this is the chosen wisdom for any team who feel they have the fitness edge is to play at a fast tempo, getting metres into big legs. A fast open style of play will surely play into the flying Fijians strengths so Gatland has come up with another gem by stating that the fast tempo can be gained by a good kicking strategy - well I will enjoy seeing how that unfolds. 

Gatland is a past master at getting his teams absolutely spot on for the real action; his we will shock a lot of people in France will have got his squad in a good place mentally. However if he conjures up a win on Sunday, even by a one point margin, it will be his greatest triumph ever bearing in mind how woeful Wales have been since he took over. 

Where, for instance, is this mobility he apparently craves in his front 5 selections? Tompkins ahead of JBR is nonsensical. Tompkins will run around looking very industrious & failing to give an end result as usual & he is giving away two stone & metres of pace to Radrada. Adams hasn't had a decent game at international level this year. Three players have had very limited preparations for this game - Ryan, Taulupe &  Daf Jenkins - I wish them well. Over to you Warren - will your hype win the day..... watch this space. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 8:37am
Congratulations to George North on appearing in his 4th World Cup.

‘ burst on the scene’ in 2011 and is still the youngest try scorer at a RWC.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 11:40am
Toby f on his 4th as well? 2011 seems a life time ago. Lydiate played in 4 or miss put 2029?


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 11:42am
Our bench is poor two props who cant scrum a 7 whose too small a 9 that can’t tackle and a trst tookie at ten worrying. Smith thomas and basham all better than the players selected on bench


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Toby f on his 4th as well? 2011 seems a life time ago. Lydiate played in 4 or miss put 2029?
Unfortunately TF missed 2019 with a collar bone injury so number 3 for him.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Our bench is poor two props who cant scrum a 7 whose too small a 9 that can’t tackle and a trst tookie at ten worrying. Smith thomas and basham all better than the players selected on bench

He was immense against South Africa when we toured there.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Toby f on his 4th as well? 2011 seems a life time ago. Lydiate played in 4 or miss put 2029?


Taulupe, Halfpenny and Lydiate all played in 2011, but have missed a tournament in the interim.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Our bench is poor two props who cant scrum a 7 who’s too small a 9 that can’t tackle and a trst tookie at ten worrying. Smith thomas and basham all better than the players selected on bench
Does he see them as a 60 minute team perhaps he has picked a team to try  and wear them down up front in first half and then run them around in the second. He will take off front row Beard,Faletau Biggar and Cawdor by 60 mins and try and run rings round them in last 20 
Don’t think it will work but what do I know. 


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 08 September 2023 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

[QUOTE=RR1972]Our bench is poor two props who cant scrum a 7 who’s too small a 9 that can’t tackle and a trst tookie at ten worrying. Smith thomas and basham all better than the players selected on bench
Does he see them as a 60 minute team perhaps he has picked a team to try  and wear them down up front in first half and then run them around in the second. He will take off front row Beard,Faletau Biggar and Cawdor by 60 mins and try and run rings round them in last 20 
Don’t think it will work but what do I know. 
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