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Topic: wales v Fiji
Posted By: scarletpimp
Subject: wales v Fiji
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 12:01pm
Well the day of reckoning has come. It seemed way off, and all of a sudden ,it upon us !

Expectations are now totally different, and Wales will not be going in to this game with the baggage of 6N champions or anything remotely like that. Probably underdogs

I have awful memories of the day when we lost to Fiji, which led to Gareth Jenkins being sacked
 in the car park ROGER LEWIS. A more slimy snake , you wouldn't find in the jungles of the Congo.
What a way to treat someone, and Gareth has kept a dignified silence every since.

The last world cup, we were behind in the match against Fiji, and it took a absolutely wonderful outside break from Foxy, which led to a try that turned it for us. His reward was an awful injury sustained in that move, from which he has never quite fully recovered.

On to todays game, and there are, I am sure, a host of people forming a que to  compound the misery ,if we fail. If that happens , we need to look at years of WRU mismanagement of the game in Wales , with archaic structures, not fit for purpose. things will get worse soon, as the regions are starved of money, and development will clearly suffer. Regions too need to take some responsibility.

I will however be nervously backing Jac Morgan and the boys 100%, and hopefully they can do themselves justice.
Whatever happens , there is a nucleus of quite young players in Grady, Costelow, Lake, Jenkins, Christ T, and Morgan himself to build on...but could be a long road ahead !


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 9:09pm
Wales has a good strategy durino the first half..a batter rugby then weeks ago...come on Wales 


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 9:36pm
Can someone permanently retire the inept Shane Williams punditry he's a boring fart 

Is Biggar like Webb on something in France 


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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 9:44pm
Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead


Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:01pm
God we were lucky


Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:18pm
Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead
Presumably MOTM stands for mouth of the match.
Jonathan Davies and Gwyn Jones were highly critical of Biggar mouthing off to all and sundry. 


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Can someone permanently retire the inept Shane Williams punditry he's a boring fart 

Is Biggar like Webb on something in France 

Painkillers for his back I should think. He was in pain for much of the game.


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:22pm
Should have kept Cawdor on. No control after went off. Biggar, Rowlands and Tompkins  had good games. Tomkins best game for Wales. Huge number of tackles,  would like to see the stats on missed tackles 1st half v 2nd. Big sigh of relief.
I think Fiji could beat the Aussies.


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:36pm
Yes they can beat Australia and so can we. Playing Portugal next is a big plus for us as there were alot of sore bodies at the end.

In the last few mjnutes the referee stopped reffing the rucks. The Fijians, sealed, went over the top, took out defenders, the whole lot. It should never have got to the dramatic ending. 


Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead
Presumably MOTM stands for mouth of the match.
Jonathan Davies and Gwyn Jones were highly critical of Biggar mouthing off to all and sundry. 
Biggar controlled the game brilliantly, soon as he went off, we went to pieces.He was right in giving North a bollocking for his stupidness


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:50pm
Stats from espn:
Rowlands 27 tackles, Morgan 23.
Tackles ,Wales 248, 88%,  Fiji 70, 75%.
Clean breaks, 6 each.
Offloads Wales 9 Fiji 8 !
Territory Fiji 65%, possession Fiji 61%
Metres run Fiji 652, Wales 378


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Posted By: saundersfootscarlets
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 10:51pm
Think we let them back into the game o er the last 15 minutes after playing well for most of the second half .
2 poor kicks by Tomos Williams led to the sin binning and then a very poor kick out on the full by Liam Williams gave them a chance they could well have taken at the finish.
However considering how badly we have been playing recently a good performance in parts and we should have won more comfortably than we did.


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead
Presumably MOTM stands for mouth of the match.
Jonathan Davies and Gwyn Jones were highly critical of Biggar mouthing off to all and sundry. 
he was outstanding for us today tbh morgan rowlands and adams v good to


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 11:16pm
A win & 5pts couldn't ask for more. Like everyone else I'm disappointed at the meltdown in the last 15 mins. There are positives - a spirited defence against a very physical side, decent set piece for the most part, no catastrophic injuries (it would seem). Wales are often poor starters so a win here is good news. The brainfarts in this game may wake us up for later games. Wainwright, Jac, Rowlands, Adams had huge games - v good stuff from LRZ, Elias, Biggar, Tomkins - the rest of the starters were in credit. The bench - Reffel, Dee & Jenkins were positives - hard to judge Dyer and Costelow but I thought Domachowski. Lewis and Williams were very poor.

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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 10 September 2023 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

God we were lucky
Wrong Milli, as much  as I applaud Fiji, both in terms of their skill and the sheer exitment they bring to a game, their conversion rate was poor and if you do'nt take your chances you do'nt deserve  to win.
If they are more clinical,  they could  trouble Australia. 

Gatland sumned it up perfectly afterwards,  when he said it was a disappointing end to the game for Wales
Without taking anything  away from Fiji's resilience, at 65 mins, Wales were 32- 14 up, and somehow, make crass decisions , in the closing  15 mins instead of closing the game down, when Fiji had a man in the bin.
There has been justified criticism  of Biggar, being openly critical  of his team mates.  Some of his anger was justified at the end of the first half however, with some madness on dislpay instead  of clearing  their lines as the clock turned  red.
Unfortunately,  we need his experience  & expertise  to run the ship.
Jac Morgan is still learning,  and in the absence  of AWJ, Ken, Tipuric,  overnight, Biggar( like him or not), is an essential  cog in this campaign. 

I was well impressed with Tomkins tonight. He has his critics, but people forget that he holds his place in top a top Sarries side. 
I did'nt select him in my side for tonight, so I got it wrong too..LOL!

Wales need to move on from this now, making subsequent  improvements in terms of discipline  and closing out  games. 
Beating Portugal isn't a given, but we should be able to gain another bonus point win, and rotate  the squad.
It's been a wonderful  weekend  of rugby,  thoroughly  enjoyable! 


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 1:38am
Biggar was 100% right to rant at the players just before half time..it was awful decision making.......time was up and they were running it from their own line and fumbled it too.........we do have these meltdowns dont we ? liam with his kick out on the full in the lat 2 minutes when he had no pressure on him and the whole pitch to aim for? strange
 


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Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 3:54am
Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Morgan is no Captain. Biggar easily MOTM. Wales well worth their lead
Presumably MOTM stands for mouth of the match.
Jonathan Davies and Gwyn Jones were highly critical of Biggar mouthing off to all and sundry. 

Somebody has to as there wsa no captaincy visible.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 6:58am
I would be tempted to play Zammitt at 15 Sanjay was shockingly bad(again)


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:15am
I have absolutely no problem with Biggar's actions. He & Cawdor are the generals who must get the gameplan implemented - North with 100+ caps should not need telling what to do in the moments before half time with Wales hanging on inside their 22. 

RR 1972 pre game suggested that our bench was pretty weak & so it proved. Once Cawdor & Biggar left so did our control. Tomos Williams was poor & really the only two players who came on who impressed me were Dee & Jenkins. The disparity in tackling stats tells the story & Welsh fitness certainly played a large part in that victory. 

Those on this forum who constantly criticise Beard will I hope give him some credit for a decent showing. In that spirit I will also eat some humble pie & praise Tompkins, not my favourite selection, but he found some end results last night with some telling moments - well done. 

Wales were never going to win this World cup & were in severe danger of not getting out of the pool so well done to all involved - barring a calamity - we are in with a good chance of a quarter final.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:32am
Tompkins is not my favourite player but yesterday he did a superb game, a great game as second play..
Rowlands e Morgan in their best but all the team played well, no one can wait a game like this from Wales.
Gatland found the best strategy against a fantasti team like this Fiji..


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:37am
Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:52am
I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:09am
Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:19am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:26am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.
Wasn't denying the validity of the 2 yellows i was referring to the lack of further yellows against Wales when they were battering us.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:45am
The one thing I did think the ref messed up was he gave Fiji a penalty ( twice) when they had possession and momentum a few yards from the Welsh try line. I’d have been fuming.


Posted By: Rubrum
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:48am
We won.  
The manner of the win was not pretty, nor was it particularly clever.
Fiji played very well, but we still had more points on the board at the end.
We won.  Breathe a big sigh of relief.
But thank goodness it's out of the way now.


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 8:51am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.


Fiji got a yellow card for pulling down a maul with forward momentum, a couple of yards further and it would have been a penalty try. Domachowski was carded after Wales were give a final warning for being offside on their own line.
Thought both of those were decent calls tbh.

Whitehouse missed a red card incident in the SA v Scotland game. Poor. Particularly when you consider Russell getting a yellow.
Wasn't denying the validity of the 2 yellows i was referring to the lack of further yellows against Wales when they were battering us.

There might have been more yellows against Fiji as well and I wanted a playback of the early stages of a ruck near our line (I think the one where the Fijian was deemed to have made a double movement). Liam seemed to be temporarily unconscious- was he trampled on? 




Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 9:44am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I see that Ben Whitehouse as TMO has come under fire again(no surprise there then) i hope that this world cup will not be determined by a lack of consistency by officials Fiji were battering our line and we gave 3 pens on the bounce ref warned Jac we go up the other end and Fiji gave a penalty which resulted in a yellow card you have to feel sorry for them.

Surprised that the inept reffing hasn’t been one of the main talking points. Wales got away with murder when Fiji were on our line. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 9:46am
Who would be a ref ? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t!  The game is so intensely monitored these days unlike the game of the past and I’m okay with cutting referees a bit of slack now and then . They are under intense pressure themselves and playing a game in intense heat. Their performance will be assessed and errors analysed. 


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 10:54am
I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:10am
Elias had a really good game, possibly his best in a Welsh shirt.

Rowlands was immense too, 27 tackles & none missed.


Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:16am
Costelow made 8 tackles (1 missed) in 13 minutes! Against Fiji!


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:16am
Challenge for selection vs Portugal now will be getting the balance between not underestimating our opposition, whilst also recognising the possible need to rest some key players, as starting some of them in every game at this level will be risky. I would probably look to start Costelow as I think his attacking flair will help us in this game, and to give Biggar a breather, as his experience will be vital for the Australia match. Can also see Dyer coming in for Adams, and a little bit (but hopefully not too much) rotation in the forwards.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:20am
I want us to be completely ruthless & put Portugal to the sword like Ireland did with Romania. We never really hammer a team like other nations do. 


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:20am
Apologies for getting ahead of myself, but just thinking to the Australia game for a moment, I would be considering starting Halfpenny at full back. Biggar missed a couple of kicks yesterday, and in what could be a tight game, I think we need as reliable a boot as possible.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:34am
Originally posted by N14 N14 wrote:

Apologies for getting ahead of myself, but just thinking to the Australia game for a moment, I would be considering starting Halfpenny at full back. Biggar missed a couple of kicks yesterday, and in what could be a tight game, I think we need as reliable a boot as possible.
not a bad shout and he has a longer range


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:36am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:51am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh

Agreed & why he jumped on the back of the Fijian & patted his head I'll never know.


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:53am
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Liam Williams was very poor for me, kicked out on the full & not kicking the ball out on the last play in the first half. 
keot trying to be pally pally with the fijiams ,   Not a fan of that tbh

Agreed & why he jumped on the back of the Fijian & patted his head I'll never know.
I took it completely as a wind up looking for a reaction. Deserved a penalty.The Fijian was looking and mentally saying’what the eff is he doing’!He was doing a bit of that false matey stuff but at least contained his habitual’ afters’ . 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 
Totally agree re Alfy as a pundit. Mind you he’s worse on the awful 6 Nations show with Gabby Logan- well OTT. Stopped watching it 


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 
Totally agree re Alfy as a pundit. Mind you he’s worse on the awful 6 Nations show with Gabby Logan- well OTT. Stopped watching it 

Alfy is a horrendous pundit, males my skin crawl at times 


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 2:10pm
Plenty to agree with and some points of difference...

I though Sanjay had a decent game overall - true, that missed touch was a bad one, and he was a bit silly at times.
Both sets of centres were much better in attack than in defence!
I didn't think Biggar had a good game, for him - and his goal kicking was worse than usual. He seemed to spend more effort shouting than taking good decisions.
Cawdor was his usual combative self - positive performance overall, especially when compared to Tomos W and his awful skied box kick.

Front row did well - all of them - and Rowlands. Beard caught a couple of high balls (I say no more about his contribution except his bulk may have been a plus in the scrums...). Back row struggled a bit...maybe Wainwright was the best of them except for missing that tackle. Morgan has a future at 10!

Subs no time to do much - Domachowski really stupid error. Dee took the try well. Reffell put in a couple of good hits.

The comments in other forums were pathetic - hardly anyone praised a superb game of rugby - the best of the tournament so far. Around 90% (or so it seemed) were only interested in having a pop at the ref for not waving more YCs earlier - at Wales (of course). Even if they had half a point - and they may have had - it was impossible not to sense that basically it was sour grapes from England 'supporters' who lost recently to Fiji, and sheer unpleasant hostility to the Wales team from most of the rest. Sickening. Do they watch rugby at all, outside the RWC? They sounded more like football 'fans'...


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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 
I said it last night Beard didn’t look that bad compared to recent form but he was starting at a low base. A good take at the KO and he used himself more in line outs near their line which he usually ducks. Those are his basic job however he offers nothing around the park and last night our maul actually improved when he went off. Osprey fans and fans of Beard always point this out as his big strength well last night it wasn’t. 
However he is not good enough for international rugby compare him to Rowlands, now our most important player must be wrapped up in cotton wool for Aussie game, he was immense last night and Daf Jenkins is an athlete 13 tackles in 15 minutes I know Fiji were pressing for that time but he gets around the park like a 7.
So yes an improvement but he was very average at best. 




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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Agree with some of that GPR. Tompkins influential in 5 tries ( 3 for Wales and 2 for Fiji). He missed 6 tackles but so would a few others when up against that Fiji midfield. Did more than enough to ensure he starts v Australia.

I’m sorry to not share your thoughts on Beard. Daf Jenkins in a 15 minute cameo was far better. Beard had the lowest tackle count of any forward and was the only one not to carry at all. Daf to start for me.

The defensive shift by Wainwright, Rowlands and Morgan and a very impressive Gareth Thomas ( 23 tackles by a prop ) with Daf J and Reffel coming off the bench was impressive. Taulupe unsurprisingly not his most impactful.

Fiji made 70 tackles versus Wales’ 248.
Strange to think that Wales were cruising 32-14 on or around the hour mark when you see that. Fiji had gone down to 14 and looked spent when Dee went over from a driving maul.
Wales then, almost inevitably, brought Fiji back in to the game with a string of unforced and silly plays. I doubt Gatland would have been chuffed.

However 5 points is mission accomplished against a tough Fiji outfit. Next weeks game for then v Aus will be a belter.

Daf did impress for sure but Beard set the tone for an organised start by Wales will a superb collection of the kick off & some good lineout work which kept Wales in control. On the subject of lineout well done to Ryan who gave a very assured performance in an area Wales have often struggled. Back to Beard - Etzebeth he will never be but against a back drop of poor performances he did show up last night.

On the subject of statistics did anyone notice the pack weights over the weekend. South Africa as you would expect 925 kgs, Wales & Fiji well matched at around 920 but wait for it Australia came in at a staggering 960 kgs. This guy Angus Bell at loose head is a carrying machine - they will ask some serious questions of the Fijian forwards.

A final thought - boy how much did Fiji miss Caleb Muntz their new young 10. Their current goal kickers are not going to win them any games. 
I said it last night Beard didn’t look that bad compared to recent form but he was starting at a low base. A good take at the KO and he used himself more in line outs near their line which he usually ducks. Those are his basic job however he offers nothing around the park and last night our maul actually improved when he went off. Osprey fans and fans of Beard always point this out as his big strength well last night it wasn’t. 
However he is not good enough for international rugby compare him to Rowlands, now our most important player must be wrapped up in cotton wool for Aussie game, he was immense last night and Daf Jenkins is an athlete 13 tackles in 15 minutes I know Fiji were pressing for that time but he gets around the park like a 7.
So yes an improvement but he was very average at best. 



Quite. After Beard's awful performance in the last 'friendly' game, I would not even have had him in the squad. He is nowhere near what a test second row should be.


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

I thought Gareth Thomas had a great game last night 

Domachowski needs a proper bollocking as his stupidity nearly proved fatal. I'd be tempted to pick Smith and Henry Thomas on the bench for the next big game.

Lots of criticism for the ref from bitter English and Irish fans who just can't bear to see wales win makes the victory all that more sweeter.

Tompkins was the pick of the backs and it was nice to see us try to play with a bit of width 

Wales will only get better as the tournament goes on. So we'll done to them.

And fair play to Fiji too, never gave up until the final whistle. Best game of the RWC so far

Spot on Jeremy! 
I want know WHY Domachowski and Lewis were playing  at all.
Both are suspect scrummagers, and so it proved.
Surely Smith and Henry Thomas to start v Portugal,  and maybe then on bench v the Aussies. 
Also, having watched the game back with a 'cool head'LOL, I am shocked at the crazy way we let the Fijiand back in to the game, when we were in control, on 65 mins.
Gats will want a word about those decisions. 
It's the same, after the first 10 mins , we become loose, kick infield , giving the dangerous  Fiji backs a chance to counter from open play. 
Aussies will be more clinical and cane us.
The studio panel, of Jamie Roberts,  Sam Warburton,  an Gareth  (bungalow) Thomas, agreed that Wales did well when sticking to the game plan, but when they diverted from that and got loose, things began to unravel
This of coursexwas rich from bungalow Thomas , whose own side diverted from the game plan, were sacked into a loose game with Fiji in 2007, and we know the result. 
This meant of course that Gareth Jenkins was sacked in the car Par by  slimy Roger Lewis, and humiliated. 
Thanks Gareth, but we do'nt need your advice.
Why is he used as a pundit..God knows!

Anyway, in the end, a great win for Wales, who showed tremendous guts and resilience,  and they will improve. 
Onwards  and upwards! 

Going to bungalow thomas on advice how to beat the fijians is akin to asking frank bruno how to beat mike tyson. The nerve of the man to act as some kind of guru , he is clueless. Hes also a despicable human being


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Plenty to agree with and some points of difference...

I though Sanjay had a decent game overall - true, that missed touch was a bad one, and he was a bit silly at times.
Both sets of centres were much better in attack than in defence!
I didn't think Biggar had a good game, for him - and his goal kicking was worse than usual. He seemed to spend more effort shouting than taking good decisions.
Cawdor was his usual combative self - positive performance overall, especially when compared to Tomos W and his awful skied box kick.

Front row did well - all of them - and Rowlands. Beard caught a couple of high balls (I say no more about his contribution except his bulk may have been a plus in the scrums...). Back row struggled a bit...maybe Wainwright was the best of them except for missing that tackle. Morgan has a future at 10!

Subs no time to do much - Domachowski really stupid error. Dee took the try well. Reffell put in a couple of good hits.

The comments in other forums were pathetic - hardly anyone praised a superb game of rugby - the best of the tournament so far. Around 90% (or so it seemed) were only interested in having a pop at the ref for not waving more YCs earlier - at Wales (of course). Even if they had half a point - and they may have had - it was impossible not to sense that basically it was sour grapes from England 'supporters' who lost recently to Fiji, and sheer unpleasant hostility to the Wales team from most of the rest. Sickening. Do they watch rugby at all, outside the RWC? They sounded more like football 'fans'...

I have to laugh at the irony here, the ref and both AR's were ......... English



Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 6:25pm
Looking back and putting all the refereeing arguments to one side. what a game. Agonising for both Welsh and Fijian supporters at different times. Two teams who gave everything on the field and shared eight tries in a furious and absorbing contest. This game set the tournament alight. Everything else highlights the different agendas people may hold (yes, I am aware of the irony). 

Wales can move forward to the next game with optimism. Fiji and Australia are set for another epic encounter. Good luck to both.


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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:30pm
Best game of rugby yet. Really entertaining. Sanjay, north and tompkins poor. Both centres were like revolving doors in defence. The fijians only needed to sneeze and they were passed them. Tompkins had 2 good passes in the game and north 2 good runs. Wingers and half backs were v good. Front row great, rowlands awsome, beard a walking liability. He was good in the lineout but nothing else. Backrow, especially faletau struggled.

Replacement props a laughing stock. Dee did well in the loose. Jenkins was solid as was reffell but lacked bulk.

Tomos was shocking, costello had no go forward ball but tackled well. Dyer had no chance.

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Posted By: ndavies198
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:44pm
An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 September 2023 at 11:09pm
Why bungalow Thomas?


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 1:04am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Why bungalow Thomas?

Would have thought that was obvious SA.."there's NOTHING on top"LOL
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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 1:11am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.

Agree with the above, and pretty much the team I would be picking,in line with Aberfan
I reckon its essential that Smith and Henry Thomas get a chance to show their worth.
we certainly need other options to Domachowski and Lewis for Aussies (even off bench).


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 2:39am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by ndavies198 ndavies198 wrote:

An exciting start to the tournament. A short turnaround until the next game and I’d select the team based on resting important players (Elias, Rowlands, Wainwright, Morgan, Biggar, and North) and giving players coming back from injury game time (Faletau, Anscombe, and Johnny Williams). I think based on some of the performances on Sunday players like Nicky Smith, Henry Thomas, and Christ Tshiunza deserve a chance to earn a spot in the 23. I think Dafydd Jenkins should be starting the Australia game which means Beard starting Saturday with Jenkins on the bench as he’s only just come back from injury himself so wouldn’t want to risk him for too long. My team would look like this:

  1. Nicky Smith
  2. Dewi Lake
  3. Henry Thomas
  4. Christ Tshiunza
  5. Adam Beard
  6. Taine Basham
  7. Tommy Reffell
  8. Taulupe Faletau
  9. Tomos Williams
  10. Gareth Anscombe
  11. Rio Dyer
  12. Johnny Williams
  13. Mason Grady
  14. Louis Rees Zammit
  15. Leigh Halfpenny


  1. Elliott Dee
  2. Corey Domachowski
  3. Dillon Lewis
  4. Dafydd Jenkins
  5. Dan Lydiate
  6. Gareth Davies
  7. Sam Costellow
  8. Josh Adams

Very close to my thinking - I posted a team on the BBC 'who would you pick?' site which only differed in hooker - but agree that Lake should start if fit (I'd put Dee in), 8 (but your idea of giving Faletau game time is a good one - I had Basham at 8 and Lydiate at 6). The only difference in the backs was that I'd protect LRZ and so started Sanjay on the wing.

Id go with something like this apart from beard. no point playing him lets try the other locks
is anscomble fit now? If so itd be great to see him get a good hour under his belt
this is an ideal game to play everyone and rest a few first teamers a bit. though hard to do with just 2 scrum halves and no real specialist 8


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 9:13am
On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 9:41am
I agree there GPR & I know the ref came in for a lot of stick but a large part of the blame has to go to the TMO who isn't picking it up half the time.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 10:14am
It almost encourages football antics of players rolling around on the floor to ensure play is stopped/the TMO's attention is prompted.

Then there is the citing process as a safety net, which again seems to have missed/ignored the Kriel challenge.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 10:19am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I didn't see/notice the Kriel incident in real time, and it wasn't replayed on French TV - but the consensus seems to be that he was very lucky indeed. 

In general, the moaners about Curry would do better to argue that others should have had a red, rather than make pathetic excuses for an essentially reckless and stupid tackle.


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Posted By: Tov
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 11:12am
Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 11:18am
Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.

Because they keep making silly mistakes!!!!!!! For your information even if it was minimal contact to the head it is still a penalty.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 11:30am
If it wasn’t an offence then neither was Curry’s.


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 11:31am
Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.

I have watched the slow motion replay of the Kriel incident and (for once) I agree with Erasmus.
The contact was very slight and Kriel looked to be backing off, so rugby incident seems to be the correct call.
Most of the confusion over high tackles seems to stem from the total lack of consistency in the way the Laws are applied. That is something that clearly needs sorting.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.

I have watched the slow motion replay of the Kriel incident and (for once) I agree with Erasmus.
The contact was very slight and Kriel looked to be backing off, so rugby incident seems to be the correct call.
Most of the confusion over high tackles seems to stem from the total lack of consistency in the way the Laws are applied. That is something that clearly needs sorting.

I think you may be missing the point here. For there to be any contact between Kriel's head & the ball carrier he must have been too high to make a legal tackle. That is the whole point of the rules. Very rarely are we going to see a tackler purposely looking to hurt someone but the rules are there to lower tackle heights. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 12:11pm
Further to the above if Rasmus is still coaching players to target the ball he is getting it wrong. 


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

Erasmus was confident that the initial tackle was on the ball on that the only head contact was a slight brush of the cheeks. Whitehouse seems to have made the same assessment and so has the citing commission. Why can't people accept the fact that referees actually know what they are doing.

I have watched the slow motion replay of the Kriel incident and (for once) I agree with Erasmus.
The contact was very slight and Kriel looked to be backing off, so rugby incident seems to be the correct call.
Most of the confusion over high tackles seems to stem from the total lack of consistency in the way the Laws are applied. That is something that clearly needs sorting.

I think you may be missing the point here. For there to be any contact between Kriel's head & the ball carrier he must have been too high to make a legal tackle. That is the whole point of the rules. Very rarely are we going to see a tackler purposely looking to hurt someone but the rules are there to lower tackle heights. 

Look at the replays, the reverse angle shows contact with the ball at chest high first. So for me the tackle was legal.


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Further to the above if Rasmus is still coaching players to target the ball he is getting it wrong. 

I know that targeting the ball, ie chest high, is now an illegal tackle at community level. But I dont believe this tackle is illegal at professional level. 
On Sunday night probably half of Wales tackles were chest high targeting the ball.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Further to the above if Rasmus is still coaching players to target the ball he is getting it wrong. 

I know that targeting the ball, ie chest high, is now an illegal tackle at community level. But I dont believe this tackle is illegal at professional level. 
On Sunday night probably half of Wales tackles were chest high targeting the ball.

i am not suggesting that targeting the ball is illegal - what I am suggesting is that coaching targeting the ball is fraught with danger bearing in mind the current safety rules & should be discouraged. 


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Further to the above if Rasmus is still coaching players to target the ball he is getting it wrong. 

I know that targeting the ball, ie chest high, is now an illegal tackle at community level. But I dont believe this tackle is illegal at professional level. 
On Sunday night probably half of Wales tackles were chest high targeting the ball.

i am not suggesting that targeting the ball is illegal - what I am suggesting is that coaching targeting the ball is fraught with danger bearing in mind the current safety rules & should be discouraged. 

If Erasmus is “wrong” to coach his players to target the ball then so is Gatland and all the other World Cup coaches, because every team is tackling this way.
If the Laws concerning height of tackle are lowered, then obviously this will change. But at the moment its a legal tackle.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 9:28pm
My tenpence worth.

I was born in Glasfryn maternity hospital in Llanelli...West Wales.....so I ain't English...Irish or a biased foreigner. 

Fantastic game of rugby end to end stuff with some superb skills, tackling, guts and brilliance on display.

But I felt for Fiji......when they were parked on our tryline with five penalties to them...no yellow given and then we attack the same area and its a yellow card....come on people....you cant dress that bias into anything other than a refs bias.....I was embarrassed how he reffed the game.

Yes everyone says you can't have a pop at the ref....utter tosh...when you see it and you ignore it cos you want your team to win...no matter what ....stuff that...be honest we were lucky ...very lucky to win. Some of the Welsh play was superb...a lot of the Fiji play was sublime and I actually love rugby and love brilliance....that last pass could have been a defeat....id be surprised if that ref is given another game in this tournament...at least Whitehouse displays his bias openly.

I've talked to Welsh supporters in work...all die hard nutters from Neath,  Bridgend and Cardiff and to a man everyone said Fiji deserved more and the ref was diabolical......

And like a crap sadistic manager....he pulls the strings.






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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 12 September 2023 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I disagree ....Samoa got away with endless cheap shots over the years
If there's been any  favoritism  in rugby its gone New Zealand's way 
The filth theyve gotten away with is incredible 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 September 2023 at 8:20am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I disagree ....Samoa got away with endless cheap shots over the years
If there's been any  favoritism  in rugby its gone New Zealand's way 
The filth theyve gotten away with is incredible 

What exactly are you disagreeing with Roy? I made no comment with regard to Samoa/tier 2 countries making what are now illegal tackles & your point about NZ rather supports my comments. 

I am pretty certain that when Samoa made those cheap shots they were probably penalised. Specifically if you think Wales giving away 4/5 penalties within 5 minutes within their 22 is not a case for a card then so be it - I just disagree. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 September 2023 at 11:09am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I disagree ....Samoa got away with endless cheap shots over the years
If there's been any  favoritism  in rugby its gone New Zealand's way 
The filth theyve gotten away with is incredible 

What exactly are you disagreeing with Roy? I made no comment with regard to Samoa/tier 2 countries making what are now illegal tackles & your point about NZ rather supports my comments. 

I am pretty certain that when Samoa made those cheap shots they were probably penalised. Specifically if you think Wales giving away 4/5 penalties within 5 minutes within their 22 is not a case for a card then so be it - I just disagree. 

Roy is not exactly wrong, but I think he is referring to an earlier era before cards - refs would normally award a penalty, but were very reluctant in those days to send anyone off - and there were no YCs then, so no 'halfway house'. Some of the Islanders' tackling was pretty brutal back then....


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 September 2023 at 11:33am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

On the subject of cards I think frankly that the ex Irish players were making a very fair point. Generally tier one nations seem to get more lax treatment from referees. It just so happens that on this occasion it was Wales benefitting. 

All that players, supporters & commentators want is fairness & consistency across the board. Curry's tackle was worthy of a red card but so was the tackle on the Scottish No 8 which didn't even get penalised. That is what makes keyboard warriors spout utter nonsense. Of course some decisions are very borderline and you cannot blame officials for sometimes getting it wrong but the non red for Kriel was senseless. 

I disagree ....Samoa got away with endless cheap shots over the years
If there's been any  favoritism  in rugby its gone New Zealand's way 
The filth theyve gotten away with is incredible 

What exactly are you disagreeing with Roy? I made no comment with regard to Samoa/tier 2 countries making what are now illegal tackles & your point about NZ rather supports my comments. 

I am pretty certain that when Samoa made those cheap shots they were probably penalised. Specifically if you think Wales giving away 4/5 penalties within 5 minutes within their 22 is not a case for a card then so be it - I just disagree. 

Roy is not exactly wrong, but I think he is referring to an earlier era before cards - refs would normally award a penalty, but were very reluctant in those days to send anyone off - and there were no YCs then, so no 'halfway house'. Some of the Islanders' tackling was pretty brutal back then....

Perhaps you can inform me what in my post Roy is disagreeing with Aber because I have no idea. My comments are to do with the consistency of refereeing over the opening weekend.



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