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Yes this debate will continue, and yes the rule's are very clear with all rugby playing nations affected, but it just feel very uncomfortable at times, for example to see James Lowe, Gibson-Park and Bundee Aki. Facing their countrymen on Sat. Lowe being a former Maori All Black will be up against some of his best friends who he schooled and played rugby with during his development age, just a little '' Is this right '' and I suspect they will be mentally singing the NZ anthem to themselves. I know I would be if I was lining up against Wales.
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I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
someone who comes to another country for their job in their mid 20s stays 3 years is not from that country imo. Just my take on the matter
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
someone who comes to another country for their job in their mid 20s stays 3 years is not from that country imo. Just my take on the matter
Don't agree. If the individuals contributions are positive and that they provide a  quality service then that imo is a great achievement. I agree it is contentionous. If we didn't allow players from outside the country to represent our region, we would have been far the poorer e.g Easterby, Hodges.
I don't think they devalued our jersey, infact the opposite.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2021 at 11:58am
Originally posted by thommo thommo wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
someone who comes to another country for their job in their mid 20s stays 3 years is not from that country imo. Just my take on the matter
Don't agree. If the individuals contributions are positive and that they provide a  quality service then that imo is a great achievement. I agree it is contentionous. If we didn't allow players from outside the country to represent our region, we would have been far the poorer e.g Easterby, Hodges.
I don't think they devalued our jersey, infact the opposite.

Don't think RR was questioning the value brought & being brought by non local players to regions. I think he is looking at it from qualification for International teams by residency which is a totally different argument. 
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I thought eligibility was generally heading in the right direction with the change to 5 years with the u20's/18's/16's being the main area left to address but I think the proposed ability to switch will cause more issues than it'll solve.

It would basically be giving players the green light to pick the most lucrative international option for the start of their career and then finish off with their 'home' country, is that really what international rugby should be above?

This may help some of the pacific nations here and now but might create a bigger problem further down the line and they may end up losing even more of their young talent.
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

I thought eligibility was generally heading in the right direction with the change to 5 years with the u20's/18's/16's being the main area left to address but I think the proposed ability to switch will cause more issues than it'll solve.

It would basically be giving players the green light to pick the most lucrative international option for the start of their career and then finish off with their 'home' country, is that really what international rugby should be above?

This may help some of the pacific nations here and now but might create a bigger problem further down the line and they may end up losing even more of their young talent.

I agree. Most if the names mentioned in this thread qualified under the 3 year rule. Cummings originally arrived with us mid season to beat the deadline of the change to 5 years.  And anyone who thinks the arrival of beat-up veterans like Vunipola is going to help Tongan rugby is wrong. Jamie Salmon played for both the ABs and England and they changed the rules to stop that happening again. 


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If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.
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Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.
Out of curiosity, Why’s it where you are brought up? 
What if your born in Wales? Or if your parents are welsh (brought up by Welsh people)?


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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

I thought eligibility was generally heading in the right direction with the change to 5 years with the u20's/18's/16's being the main area left to address but I think the proposed ability to switch will cause more issues than it'll solve.

It would basically be giving players the green light to pick the most lucrative international option for the start of their career and then finish off with their 'home' country, is that really what international rugby should be above?

This may help some of the pacific nations here and now but might create a bigger problem further down the line and they may end up losing even more of their young talent.

Agree, if anything it could be the other way round
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 November 2021 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.
Out of curiosity, Why’s it where you are brought up? 
What if your born in Wales? Or if your parents are welsh (brought up by Welsh people)?



Surely if you are born in Wales and/or have a welsh parent ( even grandparent it seems) you automatically qualify no need for any residency.
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Is he ever going to be an actual doctor?
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
Exactly 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

If a person, not brought up in Wales, aspires to represent this great nation, then a little interview or exam involving our history, and culture is called for along with a half decent attempt at Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau.
Out of curiosity, Why’s it where you are brought up? 
What if your born in Wales? Or if your parents are welsh (brought up by Welsh people)?



Surely if you are born in Wales and/or have a welsh parent ( even grandparent it seems) you automatically qualify no need for any residency.
Thats is correct. Or 36 months of consecutive residency until end of the year then its 60.
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I think we're treading a very thin line when we start telling people where they are from, when it directly contravenes what nationality THEY feel they are.
Exactly 

Not so sure about this, I feel Italian when I'm sipping on a moscato eating my seafood risotto in Vernazza but not sure the locals would welcome me with open arms.

I'm being obtuse obviously but the less grey areas there are the better, as soon as you leave room for people to take advantage they will.

I'm okay with 5 years, parents and grandparents and place of birth, I think that's more than reasonable. 
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I'd like to think that to play for Wales you should feel Welsh. As some, who have possibly not been brought up in Wales, have pointed out they can still feel quite a strong feeling of belonging or hiraeth even when spending most of their life elsewhere. What Welsh qualification should be avoiding are carpetbaggers who have little affection or knowledge of Cymru but see playing for Wales as a lucrative, short term career move.
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