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    Posted: 12 November 2005 at 8:49pm

In view of what I've seen over the last few months, namely the Lions Tour, Tri Nations, and the first two test of the current All blacks Tour, leads me to believe that the gulf is getting bigger between the Southern Hemisphere sides, and the North to the point that in some cases it is bigger now than since the game turned professional in Europe.

I accept Wales had a number of players out for the game last week, but then the AB's change 15 players and with the exception of O'Driscoll and and the Paul ???? whose name escapes me this was as strong an Irish side that could be mustered from their provisional side who have been performing relatively well recently in the HC, and they got mullered, without breaking sweat.

Its hard to admit it, but I believe Wales played above themselves last season and England under achieved. The physicality of the English forwards may give the ABs something to think about, but I think theyll struggle to stay within 15-20 points of them. England today beat eventually am Australian side ravaged by injury and on the worst run of form in many a year.

What ever they feed the Kiwis on we need to bottle it and give to our boys when their at school, as they are light years ahead of us and it will only get worse.

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I disagree, the gulf is getting bigger between NZ and the rest of the rugby world!! NZ are in the league of their own they really are!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2005 at 5:24pm

Originally posted by GA PLUM GA PLUM wrote:

I disagree, the gulf is getting bigger between NZ and the rest of the rugby world!! NZ are in the league of their own they really are!

And still lost to SA in August! God help us!!!

 

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Even when England were at their strongest, the only Tri nations side they put to the sword was South Africa at Twickenham and that was for most of the game against 14 men!!

Australia currently in the poorest form for God knows how long, still stay within 2 scores of France and England.

The next few weekends is going to tell us a thing or two!!!!

  

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Originally posted by Mick Bailey Mick Bailey wrote:

Even when England were at their strongest, the only Tri nations side they put to the sword was South Africa at Twickenham and that was for most of the game against 14 men!!


Are you sure? I seem to remember them beating NZ in NZ and Australia in Australia before the world cup. I'm also pretty sure that they beat both Australia and New Zealand at Twickenham.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2005 at 1:10pm

Originally posted by yedarts yedarts wrote:

Originally posted by Mick Bailey Mick Bailey wrote:

Even when England were at their strongest, the only Tri nations side they put to the sword was South Africa at Twickenham and that was for most of the game against 14 men!!


Are you sure? I seem to remember them beating NZ in NZ and Australia in Australia before the world cup. I'm also pretty sure that they beat both Australia and New Zealand at Twickenham.

true.

with the 'old' england side though

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Turkish Fez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2005 at 10:20am

When I say 'put to the sword', I mean given a hammering, I accept England beat everyone put before them both home and away. prior and during their world cup success, but you tell me how many time they scored 30-40 points against the likes of SA NZ Aust and France, with the exception of the 14 man SA at Twickenham!!

When the Southen Hemisphere sides are on song, they do it regularly, and Wales have have been on many a occassion at the receiving end, unfortunately!!

We saw against the Lions, and so far this tour the ABs are ruthless!!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salmidach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2005 at 10:41am

I agree with Ga Plum on this, the AB's are sublime, they make rugby look so easy and get the basics so right. To say that we played a weak english team and won the six nations because of that is entirely your opinion. I personally feel we were the best team last year and if england were weak then that is because they are going through a rebuilding process. I can't wait for the weekend and I want to see the english get well and truly thumped. not because it's a welsh/english thing, but I love the way the AB's are playing rugby at the moment.......

It makes every other team look inferior..... If they don't beat england by at least 30 points then they would consider it to have had a bad game and I pity Scotland.. ouch it's going to be an absolute stuffing. sorry scotland but I feel that if the AB's play against you the way they have against us and Ireland, then I can see a 70 pointer at murrayfield in a fortnight.....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salmidach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2005 at 10:43am
On a different note.. looking at the fixtures and how things are going. surely the touring sides of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa could bring a tad bit bigger squad and get the club games going again.. the Scarlets wouldn't have had a game for 4 weeks while the Sale players have and we will be extremely rusty... now if New Zealand or one of the others brought a bigger squad we could have had a mid-week game against a touring side.. just like the old days.....
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

On a different note.. looking at the fixtures and how things are going. surely the touring sides of Australia, New Zealand and South Africa could bring a tad bit bigger squad and get the club games going again.. the Scarlets wouldn't have had a game for 4 weeks while the Sale players have and we will be extremely rusty... now if New Zealand or one of the others brought a bigger squad we could have had a mid-week game against a touring side.. just like the old days.....

It's a shame but those days are long gone. With the sheer physicality of the games and demands on international players no-one wants to risk injury playing against club sides. That's why I suspect some of the Welsh players have opted for operations this season, so that they can be match fit in time for the RWC2007.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Turkish Fez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 November 2005 at 8:47pm

I have to say as much as it hurts, but well done to the England side for a gutsy performance against a classy AB's side. Fought fire with fire and bought back a bit of respect to Northern Hemisphere Rugby. Its sadly the same old story for them though, no or imagination in midfield, Tindall and Noon tackled the hearts out, but if they cant run through a brick wall, they have no plan B. No guile.

At least the Kiwis were put under pressure and made to fight, which was evident in their delight at the final whistle.

Who will give me odds on the points they score against Scotland. They will I suppose pick their alternative XV (Probably the second best side in the world) and I fear they will score 50 points at least.  " Oh POOR flower of Scotland".

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 November 2005 at 2:48pm
The England performance v the ABs does put a different perspective on things.

We had no chance because 1) we had no preparation time after the HC - the ABs had played at least 7 tests since we last played our best team against Ireland, so we were dreadfully 'undercooked'; 2) we had too many injuries, and not enough strength in depth; 3) we would not have won anyway, but it would have been closer but forr 1,2 & 4) the ABs were allowed to illegaly wheel the scrum (by not pushing straight) all game against us.

Note: England had seen how they cheated at the scrum against us, and asked the ref. to watch out for that. Result: the ABs had to push stright in the scrums, and were a lot less impressive in that phase.

They are still the bsst in the world by some distance, though!

Aussies look weak - we amy even beat them if we perform.

SA not great - even with our injuries, we could have come much closer on Sat. but for some bad luck/careless play (you choose).
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