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Any flankers from the feeder clubs we can use or second rows good enough 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s the issue with this forum. Some players can do no wrong whatsoever with some people. 

I don’t see it like that tho. I just assume the players are trying their best and sometimes make mistakes, go missing or aren’t good enough.

There are a few players that play for us I just think aren’t good enough. They once might have been good enough, but aren’t anymore. Or I see them as 3rd choice injury cover.

But I don’t bother mentioning them by name because 
a.) the coaches can tell better than I can 
b.) their friends or family are actually quite likely reading this forum 
c.) I want this forum and this club to be an optimistic and enlightening place - which it largely is.

There are two contrasting games I think of as the best and worst of being a Scarlets supporter. Bath away in 2018 and Cardiff home in one of the Christmas derbies where PyS booed our team at the final whistle.

The best of the Scarlets was that Bath away trip, we played scintillating rugby but we also backed it up as fans - bath fans were saying how incredible we were singing for 60 mins straight. it makes being a Scarlets fan feel special, something different.

Booing our own players makes me feel like we’re fans of any other sports franchise - sat there expecting to be entertained.

When we criticise the players on here I always feel it’s like a background hum of those boos, and it does nothing for me.

When I see people commenting on specific things players do well and what the team needs to improve, I feel a little more like I can hear a quiet chorus of lawr ar lan y mor as we’re supporting the team and helping them get better.

Obviously it’s naive and these posts have no impact on results - but I think this place does have a role in shaping the atmosphere of our great fans - home and away.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Lets get Will Boyde back!

Good shout - forgot about Will. Always impressed by him when he played for us. 
Totally agree, he should never have been let go, same as some other players. I just am amazed at some of the decisions the board makes.  And on the subject of Brad giving youngsters a go in a previous quote; , he did but also didn't pick on form to the detriment of the game. There were players who didn't get a chance to feature even though the ones he picked had a number of poor performances on the trot. Then they were pushed aside like Will. I wasn't a fan and wasn't disappointed when he left. But, who'd be a coach eh, they can't please us all. I was a fan of Pivac, yes we didn't always play well but 2017 and mainly 2018 were great seasons.
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s the issue with this forum. Some players can do no wrong whatsoever with some people. 

I don’t see it like that tho. I just assume the players are trying their best and sometimes make mistakes, go missing or aren’t good enough.

There are a few players that play for us I just think aren’t good enough. They once might have been good enough, but aren’t anymore. Or I see them as 3rd choice injury cover.

But I don’t bother mentioning them by name because 
a.) the coaches can tell better than I can 
b.) their friends or family are actually quite likely reading this forum 
c.) I want this forum and this club to be an optimistic and enlightening place - which it largely is.

There are two contrasting games I think of as the best and worst of being a Scarlets supporter. Bath away in 2018 and Cardiff home in one of the Christmas derbies where PyS booed our team at the final whistle.

The best of the Scarlets was that Bath away trip, we played scintillating rugby but we also backed it up as fans - bath fans were saying how incredible we were singing for 60 mins straight. it makes being a Scarlets fan feel special, something different.

Booing our own players makes me feel like we’re fans of any other sports franchise - sat there expecting to be entertained.

When we criticise the players on here I always feel it’s like a background hum of those boos, and it does nothing for me.

When I see people commenting on specific things players do well and what the team needs to improve, I feel a little more like I can hear a quiet chorus of lawr ar lan y mor as we’re supporting the team and helping them get better.

Obviously it’s naive and these posts have no impact on results - but I think this place does have a role in shaping the atmosphere of our great fans - home and away.
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Originally posted by Superscarlet Superscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Lets get Will Boyde back!

Good shout - forgot about Will. Always impressed by him when he played for us. 
Totally agree, he should never have been let go, same as some other players. I just am amazed at some of the decisions the board makes.  And on the subject of Brad giving youngsters a go in a previous quote; , he did but also didn't pick on form to the detriment of the game. There were players who didn't get a chance to feature even though the ones he picked had a number of poor performances on the trot. Then they were pushed aside like Will. I wasn't a fan and wasn't disappointed when he left. But, who'd be a coach eh, they can't please us all. I was a fan of Pivac, yes we didn't always play well but 2017 and mainly 2018 were great seasons.

If you want to make sure he'll be with the Scarlets during AIs or 6N, fine. Other than that, Boyde is a good club player but he is not better than what we have.
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s the issue with this forum. Some players can do no wrong whatsoever with some people. 

I don’t see it like that tho. I just assume the players are trying their best and sometimes make mistakes, go missing or aren’t good enough.

There are a few players that play for us I just think aren’t good enough. They once might have been good enough, but aren’t anymore. Or I see them as 3rd choice injury cover.

But I don’t bother mentioning them by name because 
a.) the coaches can tell better than I can 
b.) their friends or family are actually quite likely reading this forum 
c.) I want this forum and this club to be an optimistic and enlightening place - which it largely is.

There are two contrasting games I think of as the best and worst of being a Scarlets supporter. Bath away in 2018 and Cardiff home in one of the Christmas derbies where PyS booed our team at the final whistle.

The best of the Scarlets was that Bath away trip, we played scintillating rugby but we also backed it up as fans - bath fans were saying how incredible we were singing for 60 mins straight. it makes being a Scarlets fan feel special, something different.

Booing our own players makes me feel like we’re fans of any other sports franchise - sat there expecting to be entertained.

When we criticise the players on here I always feel it’s like a background hum of those boos, and it does nothing for me.

When I see people commenting on specific things players do well and what the team needs to improve, I feel a little more like I can hear a quiet chorus of lawr ar lan y mor as we’re supporting the team and helping them get better.

Obviously it’s naive and these posts have no impact on results - but I think this place does have a role in shaping the atmosphere of our great fans - home and away.

Dyniol - supporters react to the efforts of the players. The Bath game, from the first minute, the Scarlets took the game to Bath and produced mouthwatering rugby. Of course the travelling fans would get excited seeing their team perform at that level. The game against the Blues, which I had the non pleasure of being at was a poor advert for us with missed tackles being our biggest failure. I draw the line at booing my team but my friend & I did leave early. 

Supporters can definitely lift a team when they are in a dogfight against a team who are matching us or edging us as I have witnessed countless times - Toulon away, Leinster home a couple of seasons ago to name but two. However there is a limit to what the supporter can do & last Sunday, the Sale game, the Dragons - nothing happened from the first minute to the last to give the supporters anything to believe in. 
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I didn’t hear boos last week- just an increasing flatness in the crowd and even the north terrace  as the game progressed. A feeling of intense disappointment but no boos. A sad day for everyone involved with the region 

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Dyniol - supporters react to the efforts of the players. The Bath game, from the first minute, the Scarlets took the game to Bath and produced mouthwatering rugby. Of course the travelling fans would get excited seeing their team perform at that level. The game against the Blues, which I had the non pleasure of being at was a poor advert for us with missed tackles being our biggest failure. I draw the line at booing my team but my friend & I did leave early. 

Supporters can definitely lift a team when they are in a dogfight against a team who are matching us or edging us as I have witnessed countless times - Toulon away, Leinster home a couple of seasons ago to name but two. However there is a limit to what the supporter can do & last Sunday, the Sale game, the Dragons - nothing happened from the first minute to the last to give the supporters anything to believe in. 

Absolutely understand where you’re coming from. 

I guess my assumption is always not to question the effort, they’re professionals who put their body on the line, what looks like a lack of effort to you I usually see as a lack of clarity or trust in the system. 

I don’t think our on-field problems are solved by players simply trying harder, I think they’ll be solved by players having better skills and tactics. There are things like missed tackles which these days are usually not a lack of desire but a system error in defence, where the opposition have manipulated us into finding a soft shoulder.
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I didn’t hear boos last week- just an increasing flatness in the crowd and even the north terrace  as the game progressed. A feeling of intense disappointment but no boos. A sad day for everyone involved with the region 

Exactly this. I was on the terrace & didn't hear any booing.


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Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I didn’t hear boos last week- just an increasing flatness in the crowd and even the north terrace  as the game progressed. A feeling of intense disappointment but no boos. A sad day for everyone involved with the region 

Exactly this. I was on the terrace & didn't hear any booing.



No there was nothing bad happening, other than unrest amongst supporters.
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

That’s the issue with this forum. Some players can do no wrong whatsoever with some people. 


I don’t see it like that tho. I just assume the players are trying their best and sometimes make mistakes, go missing or aren’t good enough.

There are a few players that play for us I just think aren’t good enough. They once might have been good enough, but aren’t anymore. Or I see them as 3rd choice injury cover.

But I don’t bother mentioning them by name because 
a.) the coaches can tell better than I can 
b.) their friends or family are actually quite likely reading this forum 
c.) I want this forum and this club to be an optimistic and enlightening place - which it largely is.

There are two contrasting games I think of as the best and worst of being a Scarlets supporter. Bath away in 2018 and Cardiff home in one of the Christmas derbies where PyS booed our team at the final whistle.

The best of the Scarlets was that Bath away trip, we played scintillating rugby but we also backed it up as fans - bath fans were saying how incredible we were singing for 60 mins straight. it makes being a Scarlets fan feel special, something different.

Booing our own players makes me feel like we’re fans of any other sports franchise - sat there expecting to be entertained.

When we criticise the players on here I always feel it’s like a background hum of those boos, and it does nothing for me.

When I see people commenting on specific things players do well and what the team needs to improve, I feel a little more like I can hear a quiet chorus of lawr ar lan y mor as we’re supporting the team and helping them get better.

Obviously it’s naive and these posts have no impact on results - but I think this place does have a role in shaping the atmosphere of our great fans - home and away.



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Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
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Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.

Yes the Munster team looked well drilled thats for sure. We must remember though that their coaching team have been pretty stable for a few years while ours is very new. If we haven't made progress by this time next season it will be huge disappointment. The fundamentals of the game never change & Dwayne must concentrate on honing these first & foremost. I am pretty certain though that Hogan didn't suggest that Ken offered a 10 metre gap inside him for their No 8 to run through or indeed for Steff to abandon his wing.
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I watched on television and i could definitely hear booing from somewhere 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Hard to sing when your getting a pasting. Personally i don’t like sunday kick offs either atmosphere always seems a bit flatter
I think we all felt flabbergasted into silence as the game unfolded, by the ease that our opposition were taking us apart especially a team laden with current and former Welsh internationals. A nightmare in the sun but definitely no boos. I do come back to coaching though- surely we were outcoached which is a worry.

Yes the Munster team looked well drilled thats for sure. We must remember though that their coaching team have been pretty stable for a few years while ours is very new. If we haven't made progress by this time next season it will be huge disappointment. The fundamentals of the game never change & Dwayne must concentrate on honing these first & foremost. I am pretty certain though that Hogan didn't suggest that Ken offered a 10 metre gap inside him for their No 8 to run through or indeed for Steff to abandon his wing.

Strange to see some people criticise the coaches,given their sanguine reactions to last season's rubbish.Some people,I recall,just muttered about "Bok power" and spoke of the need to recruit in the pack following the hammering against Sale:late in the season,when it was abundantly clear that change was needed in the coaching set-up.Methinks that certain noses are out of joint because of certain selection decisions regarding certain players........."compared to Welsh rugby,politics in Westminster is in its infancy".
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