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Originally posted by pillory pillory wrote:

Gatland would earn £3.5m over the duration of the six-year agreement reported £585,000pa). Best knee-jerk appointment ever.

Wayne Pivac was on a reported £450,000pa.

Tell me about wage inflation again.

The World is absolutely bonkers.....it truly is.

Agree about Gatland he's washed out mun. His best years have gone. 

We don't believe in fresh young minds.
In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Is Gatland also aware the WRU overspent, especially on him and other coaches.

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I like it. Gloves off and let's see who's got the most dirty washing.
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Last week Val would have won as our washing machine went tits up 
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Gatland was a step back. Have you seen any noticeable improvement from Pivacs tenure. 
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Well pivac used to name the team on time 
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Does anyone else find it astounding that Gatland didn’t know that Welsh rugby was in turmoil until he came back in?  Where has he been burying his head all these years.  His grip on the international side and on the WRU during his first long tenure must surely have had some bearing on the current mess.  I get the impression that he was not interested in the nuts and bolts and cost of running the Welsh team as long as his demands were met by the WRU (who gave him everything he demanded without question).
I may be wrong and stand to be corrected by those with better knowledge than myself.
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I don’t think he or tbh most people realised just how bad it was.  Test team look
Over the hillThe finances are a mess, players are going to leave in droves, sxism and a toxic culture in wru and now possibly a strike . He expected a challenge and to me he is past his best but this entire shambles seems to have gathered speed at an incredible rate. Have we got a break clause post world cup?


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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Does anyone else find it astounding that Gatland didn’t know that Welsh rugby was in turmoil until he came back in?  Where has he been burying his head all these years.  His grip on the international side and on the WRU during his first long tenure must surely have had some bearing on the current mess.  I get the impression that he was not interested in the nuts and bolts and cost of running the Welsh team as long as his demands were met by the WRU (who gave him everything he demanded without question).
I may be wrong and stand to be corrected by those with better knowledge than myself.

Yep I agree.
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Gatland knew about the problems in Welsh rugby  
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Gatland knew about the problems in Welsh rugby  

He was the headmaster who wanted to control the class and the school.....
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Does anyone else find it astounding that Gatland didn’t know that Welsh rugby was in turmoil until he came back in?  Where has he been burying his head all these years.  His grip on the international side and on the WRU during his first long tenure must surely have had some bearing on the current mess.  I get the impression that he was not interested in the nuts and bolts and cost of running the Welsh team as long as his demands were met by the WRU (who gave him everything he demanded without question).
I may be wrong and stand to be corrected by those with better knowledge than myself.

If I'm being honest, he knew exactly what was going on. This has been going on long enough and during his Reign too, not have any idea as to what is going on. Thumbs Down

From my point of view, the WRU have quickly enjoyed, revelled, soaked up, lathered themselves and absorbed the success of the Welsh team on the pitch. Not thinking twice about the long term future of the entire structure of the Welsh game, and have decided to invest those rewards in the wrong areas (the 'Hotel'....I mean, WT actual F) and in areas that are now coming back to bite them on the arse.

The WRU reappointed Gats as they stupidly thought that the Gats factor would get us an instant result on the pitch to once again paper over the cracks that have only got bigger.......it failed spectacularly.......an absolute hammering. Next up, Scotland........it failed again spectacularly, an absolute hammering Thumbs Down
England next, at home, players have had enough. Even if we do play, I expect another..........hammering 🤦‍♂️

Welsh International Rugby everyone, is well and truly back in the 80's.........enjoy, its going to be a long hard slog this one, and I don't think we have the right resources to get out of it this time Cry
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Gatland knew about the problems in Welsh rugby  

Absolutely, 100% correct Clap
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WRU thought bringing back Gatland would make things better problems in the game go way deeper than Gatland 
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Somewhat disingenuous of Gatland to suggest he didn't know of anything before he signed. If you follow the timeline he signed around Xmas 2022 having spent the whole of November attending the Autumn Internationals. The clue Warren was that when you arrived in Wales in early January 2023, I think, no contracts had been signed by any professional player out of contract in June 2023.

As he would have been totally aware at least 75% of them would have signed/about to sign in previous years. If that wasn't a huge clue I don't know what is. 
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I’ll agree with the WRU tut Non-rugby income is hugely important to help fund the Union, I’ll agree with that, but borrowing a huge sum of money at extortionate rates to throw on a posh hotel was clearly not the answer. They generate £100m a year, so could just make lots of small investments with the money they have in the bank ffs at less risk and with no loans to pay back.

 If the clubs need to make more money themselves  How about starting by getting all clubs (not just the regions) access to some experts in how to market themselves and generate more money themselves? 

WRU created the issues, now want to victim blame everyone else to avoid responsibility. Gats is a corporate shill and won’t be going against the hand that pays him. I honestly think the WRU thought the benefactors (yep the ones they wanted out of the regions) would just step in and pick up the tab with no fuss. 

Now I see the Ealing Ospreyfinders might be a thing soon, whatever issues they have with the RFU survey the WRU can’t be a better option ? 

Burn it all to the ground I say, then let’s gather up a group of SF members to run a new Union. That totally won’t have a west bias wink wink 
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