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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Just found this article by Brian Moore

Some valid points there to be fair.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 February 2023 at 11:01am
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Getting rid of the 60 cap rule is gonna leave the welsh regions with the dregs. No bonus incentive either is a bad idea. 

Can we get the other SA14 back....dregs are you real.....



If players don't have to play for a region to qualify for wales there's gonna be an exodus. The whole reason this is occurring is players want financial stability. Something they'll get in spades playing in England or France. 
not sure there is that much money in england at the mo tbh, the top welsh players will be fine, there are to be brutally honest a lot of welsh pro players who are simply not good enough to be playing top flight rugby, how many games have the dragons won in last 2 years of lge rughy? Look at the ospreys second string last week. No body is going to be looking to sign many of those squad players and there a few here and at the blues who are in the same boat. I feel for them but that’s life sadly

Fair point but on the flip side sometimes an organisation can see potentials in players. We've signed players that we've thought who the heck are they and have excelled. Tadgh a prime example. 
fair point but there are plenty in their mid 20s in wales who are good  now as they are ever going to get. They maybe better off  financially working a full time job and playing semi pro rugby on a weekend tbh
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 February 2023 at 11:24am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Getting rid of the 60 cap rule is gonna leave the welsh regions with the dregs. No bonus incentive either is a bad idea. 

Can we get the other SA14 back....dregs are you real.....



If players don't have to play for a region to qualify for wales there's gonna be an exodus. The whole reason this is occurring is players want financial stability. Something they'll get in spades playing in England or France. 
not sure there is that much money in england at the mo tbh, the top welsh players will be fine, there are to be brutally honest a lot of welsh pro players who are simply not good enough to be playing top flight rugby, how many games have the dragons won in last 2 years of lge rughy? Look at the ospreys second string last week. No body is going to be looking to sign many of those squad players and there a few here and at the blues who are in the same boat. I feel for them but that’s life sadly

Fair point but on the flip side sometimes an organisation can see potentials in players. We've signed players that we've thought who the heck are they and have excelled. Tadgh a prime example. 
fair point but there are plenty in their mid 20s in wales who are good  now as they are ever going to get. They maybe better off  financially working a full time job and playing semi pro rugby on a weekend tbh

What an effing mess. We're the laughing stock of world rugby. We go from highs to the lowest of the low. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Getting rid of the 60 cap rule is gonna leave the welsh regions with the dregs. No bonus incentive either is a bad idea. 

Can we get the other SA14 back....dregs are you real.....



If players don't have to play for a region to qualify for wales there's gonna be an exodus. The whole reason this is occurring is players want financial stability. Something they'll get in spades playing in England or France. 
not sure there is that much money in england at the mo tbh, the top welsh players will be fine, there are to be brutally honest a lot of welsh pro players who are simply not good enough to be playing top flight rugby, how many games have the dragons won in last 2 years of lge rughy? Look at the ospreys second string last week. No body is going to be looking to sign many of those squad players and there a few here and at the blues who are in the same boat. I feel for them but that’s life sadly

Fair point but on the flip side sometimes an organisation can see potentials in players. We've signed players that we've thought who the heck are they and have excelled. Tadgh a prime example. 
fair point but there are plenty in their mid 20s in wales who are good  now as they are ever going to get. They maybe better off  financially working a full time job and playing semi pro rugby on a weekend tbh

What an effing mess. We're the laughing stock of world rugby. We go from highs to the lowest of the low. 

Agreed its the WRU and their appalling idiots that run and ruin the game....let's all concentrate on getting rid of the flaccid dicks.

And get some shares in Pfizer 




In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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Team not being announced today ..it was at midday but it's now been cancelled ...gatland announcement at 12.30 ......looks like they are striking 
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Team not being announced today ..it was at midday but it's now been cancelled ...gatland announcement at 12.30 ......looks like they are striking 

Just seen it myself....ouch ...hopefully they are and make a stand....Rorke's drift, the Battle of Tuthill, of Bryn Glas, Battle of Badon, Battle of Orewin Bridge, Battle of Chester, Hatfield Chase, Battle of St Fagans, fighting the bloody Saxons, Romans, bloody Normans....

Stand together like St David who told his soldiers to wear leaks on their helmets so they could spot each other in Battle, Gwenllian the Welsh warrior Princess and of course Owan Glyndwr....we have always fought for our existence and its in us....to do the right thing.

Shove the Lords and idiots that ruin one of the greatest experiences in rugby, Welsh rugby....hope they make a stand.

That's all i have to say.





In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Team not being announced today ..it was at midday but it's now been cancelled ...gatland announcement at 12.30 ......looks like they are striking 

I think Gats was always doing a press conference at 12:30.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Team not being announced today ..it was at midday but it's now been cancelled ...gatland announcement at 12.30 ......looks like they are striking 

I think Gats was always doing a press conference at 12:30.

Don't spoil the anticipation Fscarlet mun. LOL
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Gats doing what he can to shake down the WRU bosses 
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Jamie Roberts comments similar to my own opinion. Privately owned pro sides or central, union run outfits. Pick one. This halfway house is unsustainable.
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Gats hasn't turned up ..it was due to start at 12.30 ..12.51 no Warren 
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Why is Gatland doing updates on contract negotiations? Nothing to do with him. Where is the CEO? Chair? 
What's going on?
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Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Pre COVID Welsh rugby was getting to be in a decent place financially .Now ours Cardiff’s and even the Dragons crowds are getting back to where they were before . The financial hits are the COVID loans and the extra debt taken out by the WRU to build the hotel. The trouble is the we can’t afford 4 regions narrative runs on the basis that if something is said often enough it must be true - whereas the actual financial position is better than it has been in many years since professional rugby came along. Whilst some of my best friends are accountants they sometimes just look at the bottom line and forget what a business needs to do to grow and what the actual  purpose of the business is. Sorry an incoherent brain dump but I feel that the WRU  has no interest in the professional game below international level and even that is getting to be a bit inconvenient for them.





The Irish Rugby Union has a turnover similar to the WRU, but they invest 80% of their earnings into the professional game in Ireland and they are very successful at both Provincial and National level.
The WRU is claiming they cannot afford to invest any more than 20% of their earnings into the professional game in Wales, something is not right with that statement surely?

Its an utterly crazy statement. The ONLY thing that should need investment IS the Pro game, what on earth are they proposing spending the other 80% on? (hotels etc I guess). Its like a shop only spending 20% of money on stock and expecting to be successful.
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Why is Gatland doing updates on contract negotiations? Nothing to do with him. Where is the CEO? Chair? 

Agreed

So what's going on ?


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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Gats hasn't turned up ..it was due to start at 12.30 ..12.51 no Warren 

So what's happening then font of all knowledge 


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Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Team not being announced today ..it was at midday but it's now been cancelled ...gatland announcement at 12.30 ......looks like they are striking 

Just seen it myself....ouch ...hopefully they are and make a stand....Rorke's drift, the Battle of Tuthill, of Bryn Glas, Battle of Badon, Battle of Orewin Bridge, Battle of Chester, Hatfield Chase, Battle of St Fagans, fighting the bloody Saxons, Romans, bloody Normans....

Stand together like St David who told his soldiers to wear leaks on their helmets so they could spot each other in Battle, Gwenllian the Welsh warrior Princess and of course Owan Glyndwr....we have always fought for our existence and its in us....to do the right thing.

Shove the Lords and idiots that ruin one of the greatest experiences in rugby, Welsh rugby....hope they make a stand.

That's all i have to say.

Pretty much covered it all there Lofty. Smile

I think I might have added the Battle of Bolgoed Gate in the Bont along with all the other Rebecca Riots and maybe thrown in the Chartist riots for good measure.


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