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I feel sorry for the poor innocent Rwandan who wil be sent to engerland as the munitia of the deal is a 2 way swap ....Apparently cruella has bought a one off bundle of brown envelopes off Amazon so that all parties can be paid 

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So only do we have Braverman,  back in the news, with the negative  headlines associated with her speeding fine, BUT now its Johnson again, now been reported to the police by the cabinet office, for another alleged breach of Covid rules. 
What is it with the Tories, its almost like the ' muppet show', when one popped down, another popped up...all for the wrong reason's...one after another! The MUPPET show, of is a great analogy,  for this apology for a government ConfusedConfusedConfused !
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

So only do we have Braverman,  back in the news, with the negative  headlines associated with her speeding fine, BUT now its Johnson again, now been reported to the police by the cabinet office, for another alleged breach of Covid rules. 
What is it with the Tories, its almost like the ' muppet show', when one popped down, another popped up...all for the wrong reason's...one after another! The MUPPET show, of is a great analogy,  for this apology for a government ConfusedConfusedConfused !

They're more like Reeves and Mortimer to me where I just think "what on earth am I watching?" whilst laughing away slightly hysterically. Plus Vic Reeve's sleazy leg rub thing to any woman next to him does remind me of Johnson. 
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I still think the question on where on earth Johnson got the money for his Oxfordshire house (with moat) are legitimate. The guy was being given gifts of luxury wallpaper and asking cronies to facilitate him loans not too long ago. We all know he's crooked, I would now like it proven beyond doubt. 

Wonder what the odds of him doing time are? Probably based on whether the judge likewise went to Eton or not, so 50/50. LOL
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For someone who has earned in excess of £5million since standing down as PM (and that’s just what he’s declared), the fact that the tax payer is picking up his legal costs for the enquiry into whether he lied yet again (sorry inadvertently mislead parliament) is just disgusting and so wrong, when hard working people are using food banks, yet would have to find the funds to pay for legal representation (if they needed it).
It just goes to show how corrupt the government system is, how it favours those who already earn 6 times the national average income.
I’m not surprised that these incidents have now been reported to the police, as if you believe that what you are doing is right you will continue to do so.  So one party (sorry a works meeting) will soon be followed by yet more works meetings.  We’ll be picking up the bill for this latest investigation (no doubt).
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

For someone who has earned in excess of £5million since standing down as PM (and that’s just what he’s declared), the fact that the tax payer is picking up his legal costs for the enquiry into whether he lied yet again (sorry inadvertently mislead parliament) is just disgusting and so wrong, when hard working people are using food banks, yet would have to find the funds to pay for legal representation (if they needed it).
It just goes to show how corrupt the government system is, how it favours those who already earn 6 times the national average income.
I’m not surprised that these incidents have now been reported to the police, as if you believe that what you are doing is right you will continue to do so.  So one party (sorry a works meeting) will soon be followed by yet more works meetings.  We’ll be picking up the bill for this latest investigation (no doubt).

I suppose that answers my question. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

For someone who has earned in excess of £5million since standing down as PM (and that’s just what he’s declared), the fact that the tax payer is picking up his legal costs for the enquiry into whether he lied yet again (sorry inadvertently mislead parliament) is just disgusting and so wrong, when hard working people are using food banks, yet would have to find the funds to pay for legal representation (if they needed it).
It just goes to show how corrupt the government system is, how it favours those who already earn 6 times the national average income.
I’m not surprised that these incidents have now been reported to the police, as if you believe that what you are doing is right you will continue to do so.  So one party (sorry a works meeting) will soon be followed by yet more works meetings.  We’ll be picking up the bill for this latest investigation (no doubt).


Excellent  Legend....as usual!
It beggers belief, how people like Johnson, get away with it.
I really wonder what conclusion, the Commons Select Committee  will arrive at about him. Their deliberations must surely be made public soon.
The UK is such a Conservative (small c)country, that the upper echelon like Boris and his cronies(including the wealthiest), the Royal family and those filling the house of Lords appear to operate with impunity, while other poor buggers struggle  to live.
What a difference in other European  countries like France where there are protests on the streets about pension  changes, (when their pension ages in lower than ours).
Is it the acceptance  of been thrown at us .." the British reserve"?
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  • Carmarthenshire council says it is extremely worried by a Home Office plan to house asylum seekers in a Llanelli hotel

  • The council says the Home Office has proposed housing "in excess of" 300 at the Stradey Park Hotel, in Furnace

  • Council leader Darren Price says the plans would have a "detrimental effect on the local community"

  • The Home Office says it is committed cut down on using hotels for asylum seekers

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A plan to house 300 asylum seekers in a single hotel has prompted a council to say it is "extremely worried" by the idea.

Carmarthenshire council said the Home Office proposes to use the Stradey Park Hotel in Furnace, Llanelli.

The authority said it had concerns about the "cohesion of the local community" and whether services in the area could cope.

The Home Office said it was making "every effort to reduce hotel use" to house asylum seekers.
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Any front 5 players going there 
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So following on from Braverman’s speeding fine/ speed awareness course fiasco, it’s now come to light the 3 Tory and 1 SNP MP’s have had the cheek and audacity to claim back their fines via expenses.  
This just goes to show that whilst some MPs go into politics to make a difference to the areas and candidates that they represent, most go into it to take advantage of the perks and privileges that they enjoy as MPs, including using your profile to gain personal advantage and benefit.
This needs looking at, I can’t think of any other vocation where you are allowed to claim back fines (for breaking the law) within anyone at least querying it and refusing to authorise it.
I see that Sunak is now under pressure to refuse to sign off Boris Johnson’s honours list.  The fact that someone who is currently being investigated is even allowed to submit a honours list is just appalling.  Add to that the fact that Truss is also allowed to submit a list is just sickening.
At this rate, the House of Lords will outgrow the Houses of Parliament and they will need to build a much bigger chamber to hold all the new new Tory members.
However, I’m sure that the cost of any extension to the chamber can be kept down in cost to maybe a peerage or two 😉.
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So the government are now refusing to hand over the WhatsApp messages (that Boris released) to the judge carrying out the covid enquiry that they appointed her to do.
This can only mean one thing - that these messages place Softy Sunak in a very precarious position, as he was the chancellor at the time and was Boris’s right hand man, meaning that if Boris was running the government (whilst breaking his own covid rules) then Sunak was doing likewise.
This makes Boris look like a Tory with morals compared to Sunak.  Sunak was one of the Tory Government ministers who wanted him ousted due to what they deemed his liability as a leader / Prime Minister because of his handling of the original covid lockdown rule breaking, now they are interfering with the enquiry.
Most of the countries who have held enquiries have completed them yet we still can’t get it started, due to government interference/ meddling.
The irony is that contracts for covid PPE contracts were done via WhatsApp, Matt Handjob’s memoirs were published on the back of him handing over all his WhatsApp messages to the author, yet the Tory party don’t feel it necessary to release them to a judge in order to get the enquiry done and the lessons of such an enquiry learned.
This Tory government are becoming increasingly more out of touch with reality as every week goes by.
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

  • Carmarthenshire council says it is extremely worried by a Home Office plan to house asylum seekers in a Llanelli hotel

  • The council says the Home Office has proposed housing "in excess of" 300 at the Stradey Park Hotel, in Furnace

  • Council leader Darren Price says the plans would have a "detrimental effect on the local community"

  • The Home Office says it is committed cut down on using hotels for asylum seekers

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A plan to house 300 asylum seekers in a single hotel has prompted a council to say it is "extremely worried" by the idea.

Carmarthenshire council said the Home Office proposes to use the Stradey Park Hotel in Furnace, Llanelli.

The authority said it had concerns about the "cohesion of the local community" and whether services in the area could cope.

The Home Office said it was making "every effort to reduce hotel use" to house asylum seekers.

It's actually been approved albeit for 200 asylum seekers no wonder Britain is seen as the land of milk and honey and for Stradey park hotel to agree to it it must be a nice little earner i have every sympathy for genuine asylum seekers who are fleeing war and persecution but why choose a place where people like us whe are battling the cost of living would only get to stay in a place like that as a treat Censored on another note the Tories have devised a cunning plan in the north east to give 30 people £400 a week to do nothing claiming it would help to battle poverty of course it ******* will because your getting money for **** all what a shower of poo this government is CensoredCensored
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

  • Carmarthenshire council says it is extremely worried by a Home Office plan to house asylum seekers in a Llanelli hotel

  • The council says the Home Office has proposed housing "in excess of" 300 at the Stradey Park Hotel, in Furnace

  • Council leader Darren Price says the plans would have a "detrimental effect on the local community"

  • The Home Office says it is committed cut down on using hotels for asylum seekers

  • Published

A plan to house 300 asylum seekers in a single hotel has prompted a council to say it is "extremely worried" by the idea.

Carmarthenshire council said the Home Office proposes to use the Stradey Park Hotel in Furnace, Llanelli.

The authority said it had concerns about the "cohesion of the local community" and whether services in the area could cope.

The Home Office said it was making "every effort to reduce hotel use" to house asylum seekers.

It's actually been approved albeit for 200 asylum seekers no wonder Britain is seen as the land of milk and honey and for Stradey park hotel to agree to it it must be a nice little earner i have every sympathy for genuine asylum seekers who are fleeing war and persecution but why choose a place where people like us whe are battling the cost of living would only get to stay in a place like that as a treat Censored on another note the Tories have devised a cunning plan in the north east to give 30 people £400 a week to do nothing claiming it would help to battle poverty of course it ******* will because your getting money for **** all what a shower of poo this government is CensoredCensored

I  agree Ladram, and with the points made by Legendinmybathroom  above.
On one  hand Braverman  attempting  to shuttle deserving  refugees ,escaping  persecution  to a place like Rwanda...and in contrast  we have this...Stradey Park Hotel...seems ridiculous. 
End of the day, this shower of a government,  have not organised  themselves,  so much more efficient  processing of those coming here is done. Economic migrants,  particularly from  Albania,  can be repatriated particularly if theycare ilegal,  and others, coming from places where a threat is real to their safety, can get properly  housed on a temporary  basis , until longer term  solution can be found.

Moving on to related matters, the UK currently  has a  workforce  issue, particularly  in regard to low paid work.  Fruit picking in the south east is just one small example,  as its seasonal work. 
There are of course  many other examples.
Brexit has certainly  made a significant  contribution  to this, so we now find ourself NEEDING migrant  workers, maybe to fill roles that others  would not do 
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

  • Carmarthenshire council says it is extremely worried by a Home Office plan to house asylum seekers in a Llanelli hotel

  • The council says the Home Office has proposed housing "in excess of" 300 at the Stradey Park Hotel, in Furnace

  • Council leader Darren Price says the plans would have a "detrimental effect on the local community"

  • The Home Office says it is committed cut down on using hotels for asylum seekers

  • Published

A plan to house 300 asylum seekers in a single hotel has prompted a council to say it is "extremely worried" by the idea.

Carmarthenshire council said the Home Office proposes to use the Stradey Park Hotel in Furnace, Llanelli.

The authority said it had concerns about the "cohesion of the local community" and whether services in the area could cope.

The Home Office said it was making "every effort to reduce hotel use" to house asylum seekers.

It's actually been approved albeit for 200 asylum seekers no wonder Britain is seen as the land of milk and honey and for Stradey park hotel to agree to it it must be a nice little earner i have every sympathy for genuine asylum seekers who are fleeing war and persecution but why choose a place where people like us whe are battling the cost of living would only get to stay in a place like that as a treat Censored on another note the Tories have devised a cunning plan in the north east to give 30 people £400 a week to do nothing claiming it would help to battle poverty of course it ******* will because your getting money for **** all what a shower of poo this government is CensoredCensored

I  agree Ladram, and with the points made by Legendinmybathroom  above.
On one  hand Braverman  attempting  to shuttle deserving  refugees ,escaping  persecution  to a place like Rwanda...and in contrast  we have this...Stradey Park Hotel...seems ridiculous. 
End of the day, this shower of a government,  have not organised  themselves,  so much more efficient  processing of those coming here is done. Economic migrants,  particularly from  Albania,  can be repatriated particularly if theycare ilegal,  and others, coming from places where a threat is real to their safety, can get properly  housed on a temporary  basis , until longer term  solution can be found.

Moving on to related matters, the UK currently  has a  workforce  issue, particularly  in regard to low paid work.  Fruit picking in the south east is just one small example,  as its seasonal work. 
There are of course  many other examples.
Brexit has certainly  made a significant  contribution  to this, so we now find ourself NEEDING migrant  workers, maybe to fill roles that others  would not do 

The need for migrant workers to support the labour market & illegal migrants, regardless of how just their claims, are two very different matters. Migrant workers needed seasonally should be pretty simple for any well organised government. Blaming Brexit is a total red herring. If a country like Zambia in 1976, fresh into self governance, can effectively organise hundreds of thousands of expat workers  to run their copper mines it should not be beyond a British government in 2023 to organise a few thousand fruit pickers. 

Of course the migrant worker issue goes a lot deeper with countries like Ghana losing their nursing staff to better paying countries like Britain. 
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It's incredible and highlights a Brexit supporter when they use Ex Pat...There is no such thing , It's immigrant ...please wear the suit instead of making up a term that is palatable.
The issues with these people is that the government don't want to fix it , they want , infact need these people as they are termed to keep coming , as the goverment as no other strategy to try and win the next election. 
We could have processed their claim but cut backs in the civil service have ensured their claims to be processed are delayed .France offered us a dual country response by was turned down by Johnson but he wanted a hard brexit , to appease the little englanders in the UK..
The Rwanda response is a total waste of money as they would only take 250 refugees , but we have to take 250 in return from Rwanda ...It's 149 million paid to Rwanda so far , no thankfully one has been forced out there and the only one to benefit seems to be Braverman as she trained the judges in Rwanda a decade or so ago.( make what you want of that ) ..
The government are using this issue to annoy and frighten people ,and it's fully understandable that people get frightened ,but we had a system that worked , now we have nothing but chaos and that chaos has been deliberately created by the goverment in Westminster . It's interesting that we are stopping economic  migrants when we have such a deficiency of workers , and it would be interesting to see what Suella Braverman and Rishi Sunakparents would say  regarding economic migrants as both of these couples were economic migrants when they came to the UK back in the 70s and 80 ....
There is one more issue on the horizon and that is sunnak is proposing to over rule the house of lords regarding them blocking the commons vote ...Constitutional chaos to follow I believe 
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It's incredible and highlights a Brexit supporter when they use Ex Pat...There is no such thing , It's immigrant ...please wear the suit instead of making up a term that is palatable.
The issues with these people is that the government don't want to fix it , they want , infact need these people as they are termed to keep coming , as the goverment as no other strategy to try and win the next election. 
We could have processed their claim but cut backs in the civil service have ensured their claims to be processed are delayed .France offered us a dual country response by was turned down by Johnson but he wanted a hard brexit , to appease the little englanders in the UK..
The Rwanda response is a total waste of money as they would only take 250 refugees , but we have to take 250 in return from Rwanda ...It's 149 million paid to Rwanda so far , no thankfully one has been forced out there and the only one to benefit seems to be Braverman as she trained the judges in Rwanda a decade or so ago.( make what you want of that ) ..
The government are using this issue to annoy and frighten people ,and it's fully understandable that people get frightened ,but we had a system that worked , now we have nothing but chaos and that chaos has been deliberately created by the goverment in Westminster . It's interesting that we are stopping economic  migrants when we have such a deficiency of workers , and it would be interesting to see what Suella Braverman and Rishi Sunakparents would say  regarding economic migrants as both of these couples were economic migrants when they came to the UK back in the 70s and 80 ....
There is one more issue on the horizon and that is sunnak is proposing to over rule the house of lords regarding them blocking the commons vote ...Constitutional chaos to follow I believe 


Get off your soap box Oracle & read what is written. The term expat is short for expatriate & means "a person who lives outside their native country." It was relevant to me in 1976 & remains relevant to many millions around the world. For your further information immigrant is "a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country." Two different words = two different meanings, Simples.
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