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    Posted: 02 April 2021 at 2:23pm
The Cardiff Blues CEO Richard Holland is stating in the WOL that the blues haven’t received a penny for the players involved in the recent 6 nations championship, I presume that’s the same for us and the other 2 regions.  
If this is correct (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was the case) then it just sums up the contempt the WRU have for any form of rugby under that of the national setup.
We have a union that loves to take all the plaudits when the national team and any of the regions do well (remember Howley claiming that our success in 2016 was partly down to the WRU and the national setup), constantly take any offer on the table for naming rights, sponsorship deals, TV deals etc, but never want to pay out what is rightful owed or fund the regions that feed the national team properly (unlike the other nations).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2021 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers

Could the fact that Cardiff City were in the premier league a couple of years ago have anything to do with it?
 
same applies to Swansea but they still churn out top players in fairness to them
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2021 at 10:39am
Not representative but my family who live in Cardiff are football fans through and through. Only turn a rugby game on during World Cup or Six Nations.

Part of me thinks “big city” types are less likely to want their kids playing rugby and the rugby club is less central to the community.

But also I think the talented players from East Wales are more likely to be poached at a young age by the big English schools which are effectively 1 hour drive from Cardiff.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers

Could the fact that Cardiff City were in the premier league a couple of years ago have anything to do with it?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2021 at 10:26am
a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mogwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:21pm
Had lunch in the main lounge and im sure it was a microwave dinner. Had to walk half way around the stadium, through the millenium stadium corridor to get to our seats. And tbh the seats were falling apart. My mates company paid over £150 per head for that. It was a shocking experience.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors
Only been the once for Blues v Benetton.

It’s so far behind PyS.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors
Only been the once for Blues v Zebre.

It’s so far behind PyS.
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Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:03pm
Agree with that plus it won’t make the match day experience at CAP any more enticing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2021 at 4:24pm
As ever some succinct points.

I do think that with the exception of the Scarlets, none of the other Welsh regional teams ( or clubs!) could claim to have totally won over the hearts and minds of the original support base with their region branded names.

Even the Scarlets have a strong element that would want to see the club return to the 'Llanelli' name, and there's another raft of support who wouldn't' mind either way.

I happen to think that it's sensible from Cardiff Blues to re-brand to Cardiff Rugby. Nostalgia and empathy are significant components that the support base latch on to.

However how they have gone about it is so shoddy it's mind boggling.

First of all it doesn't kick in until September..by announcing it in March in order to allow time to 'transition the business' is absurd.
Change the name on the logo, the letterheads, the website and a few other bits and it's done. 6 months? Really?

The re-brand should have been accompanied by a new merchandise range launch at he same time, latching on to the nostalgia piece perhaps, been inked to season ticket launch, an introduction package for new members, and whole load of razzle dazzle.

Instead you have now got a lot of shop inventory that your going to have to put on a fire sale ( who would buy that Blues branded stuff now?) and most importantly missed out on a huge marketing scoop.

Bewildering.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either

Agreed. Selling it as something revolutionary may be a slight smokescreen from the board to take the spotlight away from their fairly fundamental issues which are lack of success over many years, financial issues which have never recovered since Pies closed his wallet and a pretty awful record of coach appointments since Dai Young left for Wasps. 

The area will continue to produce very talented players of course but they don't seem able to keep many through their pathway. 
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Sorry but if the scarlets were to win the challenge cup it would be hugely celebrated on here & rightly so. 
It’s alway nice to win a final, but the Challenge Cup is the third best trophy a club can win. Being in the competition is an indication of failure in itself, and winning it is just making the best out of a bad situation. 
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
We are definitely what we always were - a club- but although it would be nice to reintroduce Llanelli into our club name I think that we have naturally evolved comfortably into a club that covers a Region. I suspect that our supporters in the West will also prefer us in 2021 to be known as the Scarlets as well although I have not done a survey! Perhaps more luck than judgment but I think we are comfortable as we are.
I didn't want Llanelli dropped from the name.  I want it back
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