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    Posted: 03 September 2023 at 6:54am
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 

Quite... the Bok touched the ball, probably forward. Even if he didn't, there was no way he would recover it having overrun the ball, so no try - so no penalty try. 

Boks clearly the stronger side, but this ref is and always has been useless.

According to BBC, try was given by Joy Neville. Brace did not want to award the try.

Thats not quite true- both wanted to give the try. But Brace was a bit more cautious. There was one angle which suggested the ball, which was still just rising lept upwards before Dyers hand got to it. So the saffer knocked the ball on. 

This pair of Cardiff props were penalised repeatedly again. So from our scrum on halfway, we found ourselves defending in our 22 a couple of times. That doesnt work against the boks. IF Wyn and Samson were there, we'd probably have won the scrum and been playing in their half. 

Props need to be capable of proping.


Agreed with you at the time but have been giving this more thought and Gats really has treated Wyn Jones badly. Should have at least  included him in the original squad to  assess if he was getting his form back after injury.  They certainly could do with him now
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Originally posted by tim d tim d wrote:

I watched the game and it was a thrashing and it could have been a lot more. New Zealand were penalised off the park. This was down to South African pressure but also I think having four northern hemisphere officials. New Zealand didn't get away with things they normally do at home. Also with so many South Africans playing in France and their sides playing in the URC they know what they can and can't do with the officials. The only side to have any strength in depth up front like South Africa is france. 

Thanks for the reports gents. Does sound like a comprehensive victory. South Africa got their timing right finding form in Japan - they seem to be moving through the gears for this one. This boy Moody is only 20 - he played 13 last night I understand - going to be some player. The only weakness I see is at 10. Anything happen to Libbok & they are stretched. 
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I watched the game and it was a thrashing and it could have been a lot more. New Zealand were penalised off the park. This was down to South African pressure but also I think having four northern hemisphere officials. New Zealand didn't get away with things they normally do at home. Also with so many South Africans playing in France and their sides playing in the URC they know what they can and can't do with the officials. The only side to have any strength in depth up front like South Africa is france. 
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NZ 7 SA 35

If you didn't see it - this was a thrashing and a humiliation for the All Blacks. If you didn't see it, don't be fooled by the red card at the end of the first half - iirc the ABs didn't get into the SA 22 until the 37th minute! They were totally dominated physically - the one thing you could say was that for quite a while they tackled well, as wave after wave of Boks thundered towards their line. They simply had no answer.

Takeaways from this:

1. SA are serious contenders for the prize (along with France and Ireland, IMO).

2. You never know with NZ, but it's difficult to see them as serious contenders after that game - plus, one of their best props came off injured and Barrett (the red card) will presumably miss some games.

3. The performance of Wales seconds last week does not look too bad compared to that of NZ firsts! They were thrashed, yes - but it wasn't our best team. NZ can't claim that excuse.

I wonder what we may learn today from England v Fiji?
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Record defeat for the AB’s.

Big statement from SA.
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All blacks got stuffed tonight by South Africa 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL

Unfortunately that gene has not been passed on. I would say Halfpenny is still quicker than him. 

Certainly not as fast as Ieuan... not sure about Halfpenny though.

He had one good run out of defence, but IMO should have passed to the quicker Rogers on the wing, but got tackled instead. He kicked an excellent conversion from the touchline, but the game was over by then.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL

Unfortunately that gene has not been passed on. I would say Halfpenny is still quicker than him. 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I'm afraid it's just another dose of the turgid no brains rugby that gatland serves up on a regular basis.
Trouble is the regions usually offer much the same
 
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The starting props got mullered . Both half backs poor but they were on a hiding to nothing behind that pack. Morgan and cai evans had good gsmes so did the sub props and basham.  Grady played himself out of contention
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Jac Morgan outstanding again for wales plenty for Gatland to consider 

Fiji will be a tough game 

See England at it again another one sent off 

Outstanding player, yes, but out of his depth as captain. When the penalty try incident occured, le Roux nearly got a penalty against the boks for telling the referee that a card should be issued but Kolisi was on hand to smooth things over and get the referee to look at the screen. So, from then on, there were opportunities for the Welsh captain to speak to the referee but Morgan was nowhere to be seen. Then once the card was issued, he needed to get the team to concentrate and reorganise. And the boks scored immediately. A captaincy failure over about 5 minutes of actual time as much as a horrendous mistake by Grady.
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Tomorrow morning squad announced by Gatland 
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Final squads need to be submitted by 1 September so up until then Countries can make as many changes to their squads as they want.
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Jac Morgan outstanding again for wales plenty for Gatland to consider 

Fiji will be a tough game 

See England at it again another one sent off 

My only consolation, pretty limited I will admit, is that England are in a worse mess than us. An interesting question with regard to official 33 man squads. Are you allowed to change the selected squad for anything other than injury. England, depending on bans, could be looking to replace Farrell & Billy as both look set to miss the first 2/3 games in France. 
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