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You remember things like Liam v RSA and the precedent it set.

When I saw it straight away, I knew it was worthy of the same treatment and posted accordingly. At half time, bod said that on top of the tackle, Ashton had been offside in the lead up to the pass out wide and even that was ignored.

It wasn't a s if the action was subtle and lacking in clues, it's just that some officials need more clues than others.

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Blatant but why no citing?
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Blatant but why no citing?

Only the Citing Officer or The WRU management can answer that !
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Who was the Citing Officer?
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Who was the Citing Officer?

And who are the WRU Management ?

Or was there a tit for tat agreement where one of the Welsh players did something stupid ?
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Yeah, I thought the same at the time.

The Stade guy needed help to head butt the pitch.

One down decision.
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Edit: Possibly 2 down decision
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

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So - when was this? Missed the start of the game, and didn't see this incident. Looks a definite red card - what was given?

(Surprisingly, the S4C commentators didn't see much wrong when Shingler was introduced to the turf yesterday, even though he was dropped (or even driven) neck first into the ground - let alone the fact that the 'dumper' came around the side of the ruck. I thought a YC was right for that, as it was a 'gentle' drop compared to this one!)
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

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So - when was this? Missed the start of the game, and didn't see this incident. Looks a definite red card - what was given?

(Surprisingly, the S4C commentators didn't see much wrong when Shingler was introduced to the turf yesterday, even though he was dropped (or even driven) neck first into the ground - let alone the fact that the 'dumper' came around the side of the ruck. I thought a YC was right for that, as it was a 'gentle' drop compared to this one!)

There is nothing gentle about it when a player goes down head first. Any sort of head, neck or even back injury can occur in these situations, regardless of how gentle it looks. Any sort of situation where players are driven into the ground head first like that (or like Shingler's yesterday), should be an automatic red IMHO!

If the referees took this stance, then players simply wouldn't do it end of!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2016 at 10:54am
I don't necessarily disagree, so long as it is a clear situation. But the one you show is definitely worse than the Shingler incident. The problem for refs (and ourselves) is to decide where the line lies between a YC/RC. IMO, the Shingler one was a YC, but it is a borderline one and a difficult decision for a ref.

This problem of interpretation bedevils the game and is hard to resolve. The Stade player who gouged a Munster player definitely deserved a red IMO, because the intent was there - he put his hand in the guy's face, and only then moved his fingers to the eyes. Now, just possibly a Connacht player should also have seen red, as he put his hand in Barclay's face, and his fingers were pretty close to the eye - but it wasn't entirely clear to me how much intent there was.

We can go one of two ways on this - either apply the laws rigidly, so anyone who lifts a player's legs above the horizontal and fails to bring him back to ground gently gets a red, or allow the refs to decide 'how bad' the offence was. My preference is to allow the refs to decide, with the help of the assistants and TMO if necessary, for two reasons - first, some offences are clearly worse than others (more dangerous/clearly deliberate vs less dangerous/possibly accidental), and secondly a rigid interpretation might lead to games ending as 7-a-side.

BTW - you didn't answer my Q about what happened to the tackler.
Here's another one - do you think the Connacht player should be cited for the Barclay incident, or not?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KID A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2016 at 11:42am
The tackler got away scott free. The tackled player went off on a stretcher with a neck injury. Just another in a long line of incidents where French injured players have brought foul play to the attention of Nigel Owens, yet he has ignored it or given the improper sanction.


https://vine.co/v/OlUlvEU2MPT

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He has a clear problem officiating and communicating with French teams and players.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I don't necessarily disagree, so long as it is a clear situation. But the one you show is definitely worse than the Shingler incident. The problem for refs (and ourselves) is to decide where the line lies between a YC/RC. IMO, the Shingler one was a YC, but it is a borderline one and a difficult decision for a ref.

This problem of interpretation bedevils the game and is hard to resolve. The Stade player who gouged a Munster player definitely deserved a red IMO, because the intent was there - he put his hand in the guy's face, and only then moved his fingers to the eyes. Now, just possibly a Connacht player should also have seen red, as he put his hand in Barclay's face, and his fingers were pretty close to the eye - but it wasn't entirely clear to me how much intent there was.

We can go one of two ways on this - either apply the laws rigidly, so anyone who lifts a player's legs above the horizontal and fails to bring him back to ground gently gets a red, or allow the refs to decide 'how bad' the offence was. My preference is to allow the refs to decide, with the help of the assistants and TMO if necessary, for two reasons - first, some offences are clearly worse than others (more dangerous/clearly deliberate vs less dangerous/possibly accidental), and secondly a rigid interpretation might lead to games ending as 7-a-side.

BTW - you didn't answer my Q about what happened to the tackler.
Here's another one - do you think the Connacht player should be cited for the Barclay incident, or not?
Yes, he clearly made contact with John Barclays eyes.
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I'm not sure there's enough evidence to suggest a gouge, but it should have been a penalty.

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