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Topped off by a moment of madness from Grady
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Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 
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Well -  very harsh lessons for Grady, Assiratti, Rogers in that half. Hardy is not an international, Lydiate is anonymous. JW's defensive work is suspect. Some positives though - Costellow's kicking, the line-out, some good work by Wainwright, Rowlands, Cai Evans. Let's see how the second half pans out.
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We look like a side that has never played together before, which is exactly what we are.  Thank you all who bought tickets for this, very charitable of you.
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Saffers have missed 10 pts of the boot.
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 

Quite... the Bok touched the ball, probably forward. Even if he didn't, there was no way he would recover it having overrun the ball, so no try - so no penalty try. 

Boks clearly the stronger side, but this ref is and always has been useless.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 

Quite... the Bok touched the ball, probably forward. Even if he didn't, there was no way he would recover it having overrun the ball, so no try - so no penalty try. 

Boks clearly the stronger side, but this ref is and always has been useless.

According to BBC, try was given by Joy Neville. Brace did not want to award the try.
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Oh Hardy!!! another gifted try
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 

Quite... the Bok touched the ball, probably forward. Even if he didn't, there was no way he would recover it having overrun the ball, so no try - so no penalty try. 

Boks clearly the stronger side, but this ref is and always has been useless.

According to BBC, try was given by Joy Neville. Brace did not want to award the try.

Thats not quite true- both wanted to give the try. But Brace was a bit more cautious. There was one angle which suggested the ball, which was still just rising lept upwards before Dyers hand got to it. So the saffer knocked the ball on. 

This pair of Cardiff props were penalised repeatedly again. So from our scrum on halfway, we found ourselves defending in our 22 a couple of times. That doesnt work against the boks. IF Wyn and Samson were there, we'd probably have won the scrum and been playing in their half. 

Props need to be capable of proping.
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Dire, and i mean real dire
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Never a penalty try he lost the ball 
Mason Grady should have held on to the ball 

Quite... the Bok touched the ball, probably forward. Even if he didn't, there was no way he would recover it having overrun the ball, so no try - so no penalty try. 

Boks clearly the stronger side, but this ref is and always has been useless.

According to BBC, try was given by Joy Neville. Brace did not want to award the try.

She’s not up to the job. Doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things as we’ve been well and truly hammered regardless! We’ll probably get out of our RWC group due to poor quality of the opposition but we’re in a bad shape. All we can do is give it our best this RWC and start building towards the next one
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I feel for Johnny Williams as he is a lot better player than what we saw today. The rest of the scarlet players were poor
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Considering that many of the starting xv had little chance of going to France and the Boks put out a strong team, what can we say? Cai Evans not too bad (considering what was coming his way). Rogers and Hardy are not internationals. JBW tried too hard to get noticed, Grady has a lot too learn (he will be better), Costellow and Dyer both did ok. The front row was totally out of its depth and contributed very little (Parry's darts were ok), Rowlands stood out. Carter seems to have very little grunt. Wainwright was ok. Lydiate and Morgan were pretty ineffectual. Given the huge inexperience, of course we were disjointed both in attack and defence. Perhaps only 3 of that team would start a game in France: Rowlands, Morgan, Wainwright.

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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Considering that many of the starting xv had little chance of going to France and the Boks put out a strong team, what can we say? Cai Evans not too bad (considering what was coming his way). Rogers and Hardy are not internationals. JBW tried too hard to get noticed, Grady has a lot too learn (he will be better), Costellow and Dyer both did ok. The front row was totally out of its depth and contributed very little (Parry's darts were ok), Rowlands stood out. Carter seems to have very little grunt. Wainwright was ok. Lydiate and Morgan were pretty ineffectual. Given the huge inexperience, of course we were disjointed both in attack and defence. Perhaps only 3 of that team would start a game in France: Rowlands, Morgan, Wainwright.

Have  not seen the game,  so thanks for your assessment  Gaffer.
We knew that this was going to be a pretty much impossible  task, so why play this ridiculous  fixture  with a patched up team, risking more  injury.
If Gatland  does not know his squad and starting  XV (injury permitting ), he  will never know.
What is clear is that Wales,  are competive(usually), when we have our fist choice 22 avaliable.  Once we go too far outside that, its a struggle,  indicating  that there is little depth in Wales, underling where we are ATM, in the general scheme  of things.
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