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That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 
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With what little (slow) ball we had, in attacking positions, we continued to pass the ball predictably along the line until the S. African blitz defence clobbered us or made interceptions that with their pace gained plenty of ground, when not actually scoring. No one thought of putting them on their heels or turning them with grubber kicks or chips into the space left behind the oncoming defenders. This still wouldn't have come anywhere near winning it for us considering the superiority of the S. African pack but it might have been less of a massacre and given us some consolation and hope.
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.




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Think the main beneficiaries from that are the boys who were not playing in particular Joe Roberts. Comedy of errors you have to say - poor decision to award a penalty try. Final make up of the squad will be decided by the medics. 
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I'm afraid it's just another dose of the turgid no brains rugby that gatland serves up on a regular basis.
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Jac Morgan outstanding again for wales plenty for Gatland to consider 

Fiji will be a tough game 

See England at it again another one sent off 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Jac Morgan outstanding again for wales plenty for Gatland to consider 

Fiji will be a tough game 

See England at it again another one sent off 

My only consolation, pretty limited I will admit, is that England are in a worse mess than us. An interesting question with regard to official 33 man squads. Are you allowed to change the selected squad for anything other than injury. England, depending on bans, could be looking to replace Farrell & Billy as both look set to miss the first 2/3 games in France. 
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Final squads need to be submitted by 1 September so up until then Countries can make as many changes to their squads as they want.
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Tomorrow morning squad announced by Gatland 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Jac Morgan outstanding again for wales plenty for Gatland to consider 

Fiji will be a tough game 

See England at it again another one sent off 

Outstanding player, yes, but out of his depth as captain. When the penalty try incident occured, le Roux nearly got a penalty against the boks for telling the referee that a card should be issued but Kolisi was on hand to smooth things over and get the referee to look at the screen. So, from then on, there were opportunities for the Welsh captain to speak to the referee but Morgan was nowhere to be seen. Then once the card was issued, he needed to get the team to concentrate and reorganise. And the boks scored immediately. A captaincy failure over about 5 minutes of actual time as much as a horrendous mistake by Grady.
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The starting props got mullered . Both half backs poor but they were on a hiding to nothing behind that pack. Morgan and cai evans had good gsmes so did the sub props and basham.  Grady played himself out of contention
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

I'm afraid it's just another dose of the turgid no brains rugby that gatland serves up on a regular basis.
Trouble is the regions usually offer much the same
 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL

Unfortunately that gene has not been passed on. I would say Halfpenny is still quicker than him. 
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Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was terrible. The pack got utterly beasted and few players played with the accuracy and aggression you need to beat the Boks. Johnny Williams and Tom Rogers were disappointing in that they were quite error prone, Rogers in particular. Sam Costelow didn’t have much of a platform to show his talents. 

Lydiate looked his age. He was tailor made stifling South Africa. If he’s not effective at doing that he’s not going to be a great option against teams such as Australia and Fiji who look to move the ball. 

Mason Grady was another disappointment. His only memorable contribution was to cough up a comedy try. He’s a tremendous athlete and needs to find a way to use his size, pace and power to influence games. 


I thought Grady would get the nod as he covers wing and centre ( and still might of course), but there were shades of Owen ‘all aboard the Lane train’ from him today.

Jonny W did just enough to get the 12 shirt I think, albeit he tried a little too hard. If he runs hard and straight then he’s playing to his strengths and causes problems.

It’s possible Cai could leapfrog Owen W and Anscombe as the ( much loved bench option of Gats) 10/15 cover. Anscombe has to be a risky call, and Owen has been modest.

Gats has more questions than answers at ( through either injury or form) 2, 4, 6, 11 and 15.



Does Cai posses any of the pace of his old man? Hes known in my house as the son of Jor elLOL Hes got a heck of a boot fair play
ps can you expand on your lane train critique LOL

Unfortunately that gene has not been passed on. I would say Halfpenny is still quicker than him. 

Certainly not as fast as Ieuan... not sure about Halfpenny though.

He had one good run out of defence, but IMO should have passed to the quicker Rogers on the wing, but got tackled instead. He kicked an excellent conversion from the touchline, but the game was over by then.
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