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If your looking for improvements from the rfc, look again. 
The game against rgc on Saturday seemed exactly the same as the scarlets later.  The pack were ok, the backs were taking wrong options. The defence was hopeless. given the reputations of the players in the pack,  they were a disappointment. 
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Originally posted by Gastric Band Gastric Band wrote:

If your looking for improvements from the rfc, look again. 
The game against rgc on Saturday seemed exactly the same as the scarlets later.  The pack were ok, the backs were taking wrong options. The defence was hopeless. given the reputations of the players in the pack,  they were a disappointment. 
We demolished them in the scrum but the dominance ceased when Griff John Taylor Davies and O ‘ Connor came off and throughout the game we were outcompeted and out muscled by the Gogs. We need more older bigger semi pros in the team not youngsters from the academy who lack the power. It’s been the same for years. Disappointing game with lots of errors 
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Well, we've given the Benetton game a "good airing", and despite the fact we are all despairing, we have to move on.
Against Cardiff, just get the basics done correctly. 5 POINTS........

1) the line out shambles, has to be sorted. Not helpful, we have had three Hookers in three games throwing in. KEN HAS to start, not just for this, but for his leadership
2)Put pressure on Cardiff in the scrum. Ahip is a good scrummager, but the rest are hopeless
3)Tighten defensive organisation around the fringes, and first-time tackles
4) We must deliver quicker ball to the scum half, giving us front foot options.
5) Discipline, discipline, discipline! As Carwyn famously said "Its a thinking game"

Sounds simple, but once any team gets these foundations right, can build from there.

Regarding selection, Halfpenny, must play every game now to develop sharpness & match fitness.
hoping McNicol and Rogers will be available for the wings. Centre poses a real problem, based on injury and availability. Costelow and Blacker, surely to start at half, where we have to stop chopping and changing. There MUST be some consistency now.
Up front, Wyn and Ken (as I said) must start. Back 5 will probably remain the same, but on injury again.

This is a MUST WIN game now for both sides, even with just three games played.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 October 2022 at 12:56am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Well, we've given the Benetton game a "good airing", and despite the fact we are all despairing, we have to move on.
Against Cardiff, just get the basics done correctly. 5 POINTS........

1) the line out shambles, has to be sorted. Not helpful, we have had three Hookers in three games throwing in. KEN HAS to start, not just for this, but for his leadership
2)Put pressure on Cardiff in the scrum. Ahip is a good scrummager, but the rest are hopeless
3)Tighten defensive organisation around the fringes, and first-time tackles
4) We must deliver quicker ball to the scum half, giving us front foot options.
5) Discipline, discipline, discipline! As Carwyn famously said "Its a thinking game"

Sounds simple, but once any team gets these foundations right, can build from there.

Regarding selection, Halfpenny, must play every game now to develop sharpness & match fitness.
hoping McNicol and Rogers will be available for the wings. Centre poses a real problem, based on injury and availability. Costelow and Blacker, surely to start at half, where we have to stop chopping and changing. There MUST be some consistency now.
Up front, Wyn and Ken (as I said) must start. Back 5 will probably remain the same, but on injury again.

This is a MUST WIN game now for both sides, even with just three games played.

Sign up ex scarlet Centre Adam Warren from Burry Port way on a short term contract. He was excellent for Dragons last season and shafted I think by Ryan . He’s playing in the Drovers and is of professional standard . 
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There's a definite malaise about the club, media interviews down to performances nobody seems to be enjoying their job.

Despite our poor performance, with some better basics we could still easily have won that - iirc there were 3 occasions we passed the ball behind overlapping wingers and if we hadn't there would have been 3 tries there.  Is that the backs not holding position?  Is that the players not being aware when they pass?  basics. 

The other point is where's the rugby intelligence?  from players and coaches, it was quote robotic just doing the same thigs that didn't work over and over again. Rhyno Smith was the guy making everything happen for them because they blitzed out attacking line to cut off passing and then we hoofed it straight to the full back without chasing every single time. I can accept that for 20 mins, but after that it should be clear to the players on the pitch, or the coaches, that they need to change tactic and vary the kicks or go plan B in attack. We had 1/2p on the pitch, even if we aren't playing great just holding and recycling ball in their half would eventually draw penalties from the defence so we could exploit that.  We only seem to have one tactic.
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Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

There's a definite malaise about the club, media interviews down to performances nobody seems to be enjoying their job.

Despite our poor performance, with some better basics we could still easily have won that - iirc there were 3 occasions we passed the ball behind overlapping wingers and if we hadn't there would have been 3 tries there.  Is that the backs not holding position?  Is that the players not being aware when they pass?  basics. 

The other point is where's the rugby intelligence?  from players and coaches, it was quote robotic just doing the same thigs that didn't work over and over again. Rhyno Smith was the guy making everything happen for them because they blitzed out attacking line to cut off passing and then we hoofed it straight to the full back without chasing every single time. I can accept that for 20 mins, but after that it should be clear to the players on the pitch, or the coaches, that they need to change tactic and vary the kicks or go plan B in attack. We had 1/2p on the pitch, even if we aren't playing great just holding and recycling ball in their half would eventually draw penalties from the defence so we could exploit that.  We only seem to have one tactic.

Our plan going on to the field was fatally flawed & only changed when Patchell came on & we were chasing the game. When we did start playing with tempo chances were created as you pointed out but basic errors in giving and taking try scoring passes were made. Coaches have to take responsibility for formulating their gameplans & also for making changes when it is clearly not working. I do not recall Dan Jones making one pass in attack - he chose to kick pass almost every time with surprise, surprise no success. 

I would have thought the game last season against Connacht would have reminded everyone of the folly of over using the kick pass. 
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We are totally clueless, very poorly coached, no direction. our backs wouldn't get into Carmarthen 3rd team. For pity's sake, we must appoint a Bona Fida proven head coach. Or we will be the next team to be in administration.

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Its interesting that although we were apparently dreadful, we were within minutes of winning the game against a good Benetton side. So would their coach be more worried than us?
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Its interesting that although we were apparently dreadful, we were within minutes of winning the game against a good Benetton side. So would their coach be more worried than us?

Looking at the table, I'd imagine not.
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Its interesting that although we were apparently dreadful, we were within minutes of winning the game against a good Benetton side. So would their coach be more worried than us?
Ans likewise the Ospreys .. so close to a win 
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Tbh over 80 minutes we were well beaten and treviso are midtable at best . We got two of the worst 3 sides in the leauge next up so lets see how we stand after that

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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Its interesting that although we were apparently dreadful, we were within minutes of winning the game against a good Benetton side. So would their coach be more worried than us?
Ans likewise the Ospreys .. so close to a win 
Ans also because of a poor decision in not taking the 3 points on offer late in the game.
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Well the early season form of the regions will surely resurrect the call for the merging of Ospreys/Scarlets and Dragons/Cardiff. Currently if I was naming a combined 23 ignoring current injuries I would be looking at something along the lines of :-

15. Rogers 14. Giles 13. North 12. JBR 11. Conbeer 10. Anscombe 9. Webb 
1. Gareth Thomas 2. Baldwin 3. Francis 4. Beard 5. Sam 6. Fifita 7. Tipuric 8. Sione

16. Lake 17. Smith 18. O'Connor 19. AWJ 20. Jac Morgan 21. Blacker 22. Costelow 23. Collins.

The attendances which the Ospreys are getting along with ownership of stadia suggests that PYS would be the home base for this combination. Worries expressed about support and ongoing allegiances will have become less of an issue as the attendances for stand alone clubs has dived. 

At the time it was initially suggested I thought it was a non starter but now I am not so sure. The combined coaching group would look something like :- head coach - Toby Booth, attack coach - Peel, forwards coach - Franks, defence coach - Darren Edwards.

Doing a similar job on the Dragons/Cardiff I would come up with :-

15. Liam 14. Adams 13. Tomkinson 12. Halaholo 11. Dyer 10. JJ Hanrahan 9. Bertranou
1. Rob Evans 2. Bradley Roberts 3. Brown 4. Rowlands 5. Carter 6. Moriarty 7. Botham 8. Faletau

16. Dee 17. Jones 18. Arhip 19. Nott 20. Lonsdale 21. Tomos 22. Evans 23. Lee-Lo
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In response to the thread topic and last post that's definitely not where we want to go next.
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Will you attend the games of this new entity GBR?
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Will you attend the games of this new entity GBR?

No Dic but I don't attend PYS anymore so am not the best person to answer that. My point I guess about future support for lets call it a West Wales franchise is that there comes a point where the current scarcity of support for all regions makes the attendance question irrelevant. Would for instance the West Wales franchise with the players mentioned not draw 5000????
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