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Try wonastow Road Monmouth. No residential properties.  In fact not many industrial properties.  20mph🤷‍♂️
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What’s more concerning is that people sit at home voting on phones for something that has only been in force about 3-4 days not years. The reaction is incredibly OTT especially when the policy is based on care for safety. It needs a year to monitor surely and then review properly imo. In the interim period ,exceptions can be put to individual councils for consideration on the merits. I just don’t understand the knee jerk at all. Just my opinion of course 

Totally agree with Reesy and also SA15 above.
I would repeat  would I have said before.. my wife and I WALK around Llanelli a considerable amount . As a pedestrian  I am well aware of the speeds cars do in in an urban area,  whether they are near schools or not. We live in a 20 mph limit, and that was so, BEFORE the limit came into force. People take scant notice to be honest, which sums up the " do as I like society " we have become.
The majority of people do'nt walk anywhere,  just jump into their car, and consequently they have little idea whats its like to be a pedestrian .
This is half the problem with our society today, totally reliant on cars, 
,which is contributing hugely to Co2 emissions  & the destruction  of the natural world we love, wiping out species in the process. 

But there’s more electric cars on the road and it’ll only increase. Plus as someone pointed out it’s been a few days. The next generation will be used to it. People moaning because they can’t drive fast. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What’s more concerning is that people sit at home voting on phones for something that has only been in force about 3-4 days not years. The reaction is incredibly OTT especially when the policy is based on care for safety. It needs a year to monitor surely and then review properly imo. In the interim period ,exceptions can be put to individual councils for consideration on the merits. I just don’t understand the knee jerk at all. Just my opinion of course 

Totally agree with Reesy and also SA15 above.
I would repeat  would I have said before.. my wife and I WALK around Llanelli a considerable amount . As a pedestrian  I am well aware of the speeds cars do in in an urban area,  whether they are near schools or not. We live in a 20 mph limit, and that was so, BEFORE the limit came into force. People take scant notice to be honest, which sums up the " do as I like society " we have become.
The majority of people do'nt walk anywhere,  just jump into their car, and consequently they have little idea whats its like to be a pedestrian .
This is half the problem with our society today, totally reliant on cars, 
,which is contributing hugely to Co2 emissions  & the destruction  of the natural world we love, wiping out species in the process. 

But there’s more electric cars on the road and it’ll only increase. Plus as someone pointed out it’s been a few days. The next generation will be used to it. People moaning because they can’t drive fast. 
 

Excuse me if this has been posted previously, but electric cars are 30% heavier than an equivalent diesel car. This translates into longer stopping distances.
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Isn’t it just a shame that we can’t drive to the road conditions. If I’m on a windy country Lane I’m not doing 60. Nearer 30.  If you’re in town or near schools you slow down. If you’re on a motorway or dual carriageway with low levels of traffic you take the opportunity to travel at 70.  Unless in Wales of course 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What’s more concerning is that people sit at home voting on phones for something that has only been in force about 3-4 days not years. The reaction is incredibly OTT especially when the policy is based on care for safety. It needs a year to monitor surely and then review properly imo. In the interim period ,exceptions can be put to individual councils for consideration on the merits. I just don’t understand the knee jerk at all. Just my opinion of course 

Totally agree with Reesy and also SA15 above.
I would repeat  would I have said before.. my wife and I WALK around Llanelli a considerable amount . As a pedestrian  I am well aware of the speeds cars do in in an urban area,  whether they are near schools or not. We live in a 20 mph limit, and that was so, BEFORE the limit came into force. People take scant notice to be honest, which sums up the " do as I like society " we have become.
The majority of people do'nt walk anywhere,  just jump into their car, and consequently they have little idea whats its like to be a pedestrian .
This is half the problem with our society today, totally reliant on cars, 
,which is contributing hugely to Co2 emissions  & the destruction  of the natural world we love, wiping out species in the process. 

But there’s more electric cars on the road and it’ll only increase. Plus as someone pointed out it’s been a few days. The next generation will be used to it. People moaning because they can’t drive fast. 
 

Excuse me if this has been posted previously, but electric cars are 30% heavier than an equivalent diesel car. This translates into longer stopping distances.

Really? Well all the more reason to change to 20. Thanks for that fact when I advocate 20mph. LOL I use electric cars when people say about strain on the engine and pollution. I’ve got another string to my arrow now. 


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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What’s more concerning is that people sit at home voting on phones for something that has only been in force about 3-4 days not years. The reaction is incredibly OTT especially when the policy is based on care for safety. It needs a year to monitor surely and then review properly imo. In the interim period ,exceptions can be put to individual councils for consideration on the merits. I just don’t understand the knee jerk at all. Just my opinion of course 

Totally agree with Reesy and also SA15 above.
I would repeat  would I have said before.. my wife and I WALK around Llanelli a considerable amount . As a pedestrian  I am well aware of the speeds cars do in in an urban area,  whether they are near schools or not. We live in a 20 mph limit, and that was so, BEFORE the limit came into force. People take scant notice to be honest, which sums up the " do as I like society " we have become.
The majority of people do'nt walk anywhere,  just jump into their car, and consequently they have little idea whats its like to be a pedestrian .
This is half the problem with our society today, totally reliant on cars, 
,which is contributing hugely to Co2 emissions  & the destruction  of the natural world we love, wiping out species in the process. 

But there’s more electric cars on the road and it’ll only increase. Plus as someone pointed out it’s been a few days. The next generation will be used to it. People moaning because they can’t drive fast. 
 

Excuse me if this has been posted previously, but electric cars are 30% heavier than an equivalent diesel car. This translates into longer stopping distances.

Really? Well all the more reason to change to 20. Thanks for that fact when I advocate 20mph. LOL I use electric cars when people say about strain on the engine and pollution. I’ve got another string to my arrow now. 

I don’t have and never will have an electric car. So 20mph for electric cars only 
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I have no issue with the principle of 20mph zones, and am someone who isnt a fast driver. I live in a 20mph zone and cars speed past my hpuse all the time. Not once have i seen a speed van on our road.The police couldnt enforce the 30mph rules, let alone 20mph zones popping up everywhere. That isnt a dig at the police just fact. This policy has cost over £35m to date and by all accounts that will spiral further as issues arise. Take into account that education is underfunded by 10's of millions this year and tbe NHS forecasting a shortfall of over £800m, surely the money spent should have been invested better by the WA. Talking to a Labour representative a while ago, he said that if they had replaced ALL 30mph zones with 20mph zones it would have saved £millions without any major hastle. To say "some 30mph zones will be 20mph and some wo t" doesnt cut the mustard for me.
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Originally posted by Winston Winston wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What’s more concerning is that people sit at home voting on phones for something that has only been in force about 3-4 days not years. The reaction is incredibly OTT especially when the policy is based on care for safety. It needs a year to monitor surely and then review properly imo. In the interim period ,exceptions can be put to individual councils for consideration on the merits. I just don’t understand the knee jerk at all. Just my opinion of course 

Totally agree with Reesy and also SA15 above.
I would repeat  would I have said before.. my wife and I WALK around Llanelli a considerable amount . As a pedestrian  I am well aware of the speeds cars do in in an urban area,  whether they are near schools or not. We live in a 20 mph limit, and that was so, BEFORE the limit came into force. People take scant notice to be honest, which sums up the " do as I like society " we have become.
The majority of people do'nt walk anywhere,  just jump into their car, and consequently they have little idea whats its like to be a pedestrian .
This is half the problem with our society today, totally reliant on cars, 
,which is contributing hugely to Co2 emissions  & the destruction  of the natural world we love, wiping out species in the process. 

But there’s more electric cars on the road and it’ll only increase. Plus as someone pointed out it’s been a few days. The next generation will be used to it. People moaning because they can’t drive fast. 
 

Excuse me if this has been posted previously, but electric cars are 30% heavier than an equivalent diesel car. This translates into longer stopping distances.

Really? Well all the more reason to change to 20. Thanks for that fact when I advocate 20mph. LOL I use electric cars when people say about strain on the engine and pollution. I’ve got another string to my arrow now. 

I don’t have and never will have an electric car. So 20mph for electric cars only 

One day you will. 
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Oh no I won’t.  I’m too old.  Whether it’s 2030 or 2035.  I won’t. So you don’t know everything eh 
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Wales under Drakeford and Labour is fast becoming a nanny state

Refused to bypass the brynglas tunnels due to environmentalists complaining
banning food deals such as meal deals in supermarkets
20mph zones..

I'm just glad for once that I don't live in Wales.

Labour in Wales are like the Tories in Westminster, unfortunately though in Wales there's no party big enough or popular enough to remove them!

Dont forget the 100 pages of frankly insane anti landlord laws, the bankrupt airport, compulsory heater pumps to replace boilers at massive cost, the record council tax hikes........Oh and theyve recently bought portcawl coney island beach and funfair etc and sold it off for houses
The biggest elvis festival in the world is now finished because of this and trecco bay one of the biggest caravan parks in europe will soon lose that status too.......Anti business, anti common sense WAG are destroying our economy 


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Wait until the camera vans are placed in positions not for safety but for maximum chance of fining people.
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After some time this week doing 20mph in town the problem is where the 30 starts the 20 ends and where the 40 and 50 starts....its a mess tbh. The only thing I agree with is 20 around schools and when your driving through town etc, I think its a good thing but there are still the looneys that do 40 in a 20 and no cops around to do anything anyway. Bit farcical 

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There's a part of the road by us that goes from 40, to 20 then 60 all within 1/2 a mile.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

There's a part of the road by us that goes from 40, to 20 then 60 all within 1/2 a mile.

Theres loads like that its utter carnage

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Wales under Drakeford and Labour is fast becoming a nanny state

Refused to bypass the brynglas tunnels due to environmentalists complaining
banning food deals such as meal deals in supermarkets
20mph zones..

I'm just glad for once that I don't live in Wales.

Labour in Wales are like the Tories in Westminster, unfortunately though in Wales there's no party big enough or popular enough to remove them!

Dont forget the 100 pages of frankly insane anti landlord laws, the bankrupt airport, compulsory heater pumps to replace boilers at massive cost, the record council tax hikes........Oh and theyve recently bought portcawl coney island beach and funfair etc and sold it off for houses
The biggest elvis festival in the world is now finished because of this and trecco bay one of the biggest caravan parks in europe will soon lose that status too.......Anti business, anti common sense WAG are destroying our economy 
Total tosh again from Salmidach and Roy.
I'd like to know if you do'nt live in Wales Salmidach what right you have come on to this forum and lecture us who do, pay our rates, support local businesses . Etc
The Brynglas tunnels are an issue,  and a protracted debate ensured on different routes,  but a decision was made for financial reasons, as otherwise it would have cripled WAG's budget

As  for the 20mlh limit, well we know its a good idea.

Roy's point about landlord  regulation  was badly needed.
Just look around Llanelli at the appalling state of rented housing in the centre of town.
People who cannof afford to buy are now  either stuck on long council house lists , ir subjected too the vagaries of the private rented sector paying exorbitant rents .Some of the properties look uninhabitable..but sadly are!
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Wales under Drakeford and Labour is fast becoming a nanny state

Refused to bypass the brynglas tunnels due to environmentalists complaining
banning food deals such as meal deals in supermarkets
20mph zones..

I'm just glad for once that I don't live in Wales.

Labour in Wales are like the Tories in Westminster, unfortunately though in Wales there's no party big enough or popular enough to remove them!

Dont forget the 100 pages of frankly insane anti landlord laws, the bankrupt airport, compulsory heater pumps to replace boilers at massive cost, the record council tax hikes........Oh and theyve recently bought portcawl coney island beach and funfair etc and sold it off for houses
The biggest elvis festival in the world is now finished because of this and trecco bay one of the biggest caravan parks in europe will soon lose that status too.......Anti business, anti common sense WAG are destroying our economy 
Total tosh again from Salmidach and Roy.
I'd like to know if you do'nt live in Wales Salmidach what right you have come on to this forum and lecture us who do, pay our rates, support local businesses . Etc
The Brynglas tunnels are an issue,  and a protracted debate ensured on different routes,  but a decision was made for financial reasons, as otherwise it would have cripled WAG's budget

As  for the 20mlh limit, well we know its a good idea.

Roy's point about landlord  regulation  was badly needed.
Just look around Llanelli at the appalling state of rented housing in the centre of town.
People who cannof afford to buy are now  either stuck on long council house lists , ir subjected too the vagaries of the private rented sector paying exorbitant rents .Some of the properties look uninhabitable..but sadly are!

born and bred in felinfoel my old mucka and last time I checked this was a forum, perhaps you might want to look up what the word forum means.

I visit regularly to see my family, and it's just another poor example of how badly Wales is being run under Drakeford and his muppoets....

I work part time in in a hotel in Cornwall and some guests started talking to me and when they heard my accent they asked what did I think of the 20mph zone. basically I said it was a farce and their reply was that they used to go on holiday regularly to Wales (twice, three times a year) and they won't any longer.

So whilst you continue with your insular views, I'll continue to have mine.
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