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Well summed up Pimp & thanks for the build up - I haven't blushed for many years.!!!

Great day's play and clearly England's attacking style had the Aussies worried from the 1st ball. Playing two sweepers on the offside & leg side boundaries was a big mistake for me giving England easy runs from basically defensive shots. 

I agree with RR above - Root was going so well & Robinson seemed pretty comfortable. Forecast is set fair so no real logic in declaring for me. Bat through to stumps, get to 450ish & see where we are. If the morning starts a little hazy/overcast then maybe get them in. 

Root & Bairstow got England back on track after a wobble. I really like the way this boy Brook looks to play - for me he is our most attacking batsmen & he was very unlucky with his dismissal. As Pimp rightly says we will get a better idea today when the Aussies have had their chance on a pretty good batting track. Could be a very good toss to win with Lyon getting some turn - Root may be contributing with the ball later in the game and today Moen Ali needs to step up & match the way Lyon worked yesterday.
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Silly declaration, English arrogance maybe and a bit disrespectful to the Aussies. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia feed off that decision and win the match.
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I don't see what the English attack can get out of that pitch. It's a 500+ one.

The Aussie bowlers were helped by Pope, Bairstow, Ali, Duckett and Stokes all out to a mix of poor shots and/or howlers. Meant England didn't quite get the 5.5 an over/450+ score they were looking for.

Going to be a long day in the field.
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Silly declaration, English arrogance maybe and a bit disrespectful to the Aussies. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia feed off that decision and win the match.
ironic when the captain’s parents are Antipodean mind 😉

Edited by reesytheexile - 17 June 2023 at 1:44pm
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Is there anyone in the engerland side from engerland 
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The answers to yesterdays questions, have been answered...and it doesn't make good reading !

With the Aussies only 80 odd runs behind, the declaration looks increasingly mad.
"Bazball", as good as it is has turned Stokes head ! Root was going well, and Robinson comfortable.
Fifty runs was definitely possible, and those could be crucial now.

England's attack is underpowered, with Jimmy and Robinson, clearly not 100% after injury. Stokes can only bowl short spells ATM. That leaves Moen, who performed manfully, despite not bowling a test ball for two years. He operated without and deep protection, and while I do appreciate its good to attack, this has to be balanced by the captain.
We were giving the Aussies "Free runs", time and again.
Chances also went begging, a catch, a stumping and a 'no ball', when Khawaja was dismissed.
In my view , Bairstow, is not a test standard keeper, and if he plays, should be as a batsman.
Foulks, despite a brilliant winter, is out in the cold. he bats well, (may not be a Bairstow), but his keeping is another level.

Just a final word about Usman Khawaja. what a great innings, and what resolve he showed
I saw him play for Glamorgan, in 2018, originally signed to cover Shaun marsh, for 20/20, but also played championship cricket as well. He was fantastic. raley gives hisn wicket away and is a very heavy accumulator of runs.
As far as Glammy are concerned, and much as I admire Marnus L, Khawaja  would be a better fit, as  Glam desperately need a real specialist opening bat.

Morning session crucial tomorrow. If Aussies get any decent lead, curtains for England
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England left 50 plus first innings runs on a featherbed on day 1  . Idiotic declaration bez ball indeed

Edited by RR1972 - 18 June 2023 at 1:37am
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A very sloppy day by England. They will not get another test innings where they can remove Australia's 3 finest batsmen for a collective 66 runs. I have said it before and I will say it again - if you are playing a spinner in your team you need to select your best wicket keeper. Foakes would have taken that stumping of Green and the first edge by Cary in his sleep. Bairstow is not a test wicket keeper. 

England have now given Australia 50 runs which they could have scored instead of a ludicrous declaration & also the opportunity to get at their lower order with the new ball last night because of three missed chances. Don't even start me on about the no balls. Stokes managed 6/7 in 4 overs FFS. I am afraid England are guilty of believing their own marketing - they have made mistakes in selection & should have played Wood with his extra pace & bounce instead of Anderson who has been very ineffective. They should also have made a decision between Bairstow & Brook for No 5 with Foakes at 7. 

Can they rescue this - for sure. Broad, Anderson & Robinson need to find something from this pitch this morning & hope that the pitch increases taking spin into days 4/5. Of course that will not matter if their close catchers keep on cocking it up. The big warning of course is that Lyon, a canny bowler, is supported by a good keeper & excellent close catchers. 
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To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.






England through a combination of a declaration and poor wicket keeping have to date given Australia 80-100 runs advantage. Those runs will start to look like a lot when the ball starts to spin & jump off the cracks in the pitch later on today and until the end of the game. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

A very sloppy day by England. They will not get another test innings where they can remove Australia's 3 finest batsmen for a collective 66 runs. I have said it before and I will say it again - if you are playing a spinner in your team you need to select your best wicket keeper. Foakes would have taken that stumping of Green and the first edge by Cary in his sleep. Bairstow is not a test wicket keeper. 

England have now given Australia 50 runs which they could have scored instead of a ludicrous declaration & also the opportunity to get at their lower order with the new ball last night because of three missed chances. Don't even start me on about the no balls. Stokes managed 6/7 in 4 overs FFS. I am afraid England are guilty of believing their own marketing - they have made mistakes in selection & should have played Wood with his extra pace & bounce instead of Anderson who has been very ineffective. They should also have made a decision between Bairstow & Brook for No 5 with Foakes at 7. 

Can they rescue this - for sure. Broad, Anderson & Robinson need to find something from this pitch this morning & hope that the pitch increases taking spin into days 4/5. Of course that will not matter if their close catchers keep on cocking it up. The big warning of course is that Lyon, a canny bowler, is supported by a good keeper & excellent close catchers. 
Moving on from the points made in my last post yesterday,  and excellent  assessment,  from a man who knows his cricket. 
Everything  GPR has said is spot on...and to,top that up RR, us also correct in saying that England(Stokes), wrapped up in his own hype.
There are so many ways to skin a cat, and Stokes needs to,learn that fast,playing a sidecas good as Aussies .
I do'nt like Michael Vaughan, an arrogant  , self opinionated  prat, BUT, apart from being an excellent  batsman,  he was a first class
 'thinking ' skipper , who was able to be flexible with tactics  and approach .
Let's hope today brings better things.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.







England through a combination of a declaration and poor wicket keeping have to date given Australia 80-100 runs advantage. Those runs will start to look like a lot when the ball starts to spin & jump off the cracks in the pitch later on today and until the end of the game. 




You could say the same for Australia though. Carey dropped a regulation catch, and missed one edge altogether.

Both keepers are batsmen first and foremost.

Whether liked or not. England’s approach is purely on setting up a result game, in this occasion on a track that’s been custom built ( bizarrely) for a draw.
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A lot of words from sympathisers of the enemy here , LOL
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A lot of words from sympathisers of the enemy here , LOL
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I've been called many things including an ostrich recently , but I've battled through with it ....Wink
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Interesting comments this morning from the Nz born Engerland Captain Big Ginger Ben ..He publicly stated that ..He's not afraid of the Aussies ....
So there it is this great Aussie side may as well pack up and fly back home ....

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