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With a potential 2 days left and the Aussies needing 400 plus runs to win , I feel they don't have it in them but I would like to see Warner have a century on his final appearance and not be remembered in this series as a guy who could get going but count push on ....fingers crossed 
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aussies started well in fairness m now the rain has helped them again
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Engerland were seen doing rain dances in front of the old gas storage tanks this morning...I feel if it had stayed dry , they would have got to 200 today ...it's still feasible for tomorrow, weather permitting...
I'm sure we are not going to hear the little engerlanders complaining about not having a roof on the stadium , or not playing until 3 am to make up lost time..this week 


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All to play for today. Scene is set for another masterclass from Broad. In fairness if Australia chase down this total then they fully deserve the victory. 
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What a magnificent finale to a great entertaining series.
Two very evenly matched sides , going "toe to toe" !

Its clear that England should have comfortably won the series.
Foolishly believed their own publicity in the first two tests, plus some awful catching.
Aussies were sounder, and deservedly won.
Since then, England have been better, despite being hampered by continually selecting a non wicket taking combatant, in Anderson.

Both teams were considerably better in 2005, and in 2015, but if England can develop an attack to replace Anderson and Broad, they could take some stopping.
One thing that's holding them back is a lack of a a quality spin bowler.
Poor pitches and too much one day cricket, has led us to this sadly.
The only really good spinner in England ATM, is Hamer, for Essex, and he's South African.

So its the hundred now,  something I won't be watching  !
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What a magnificent finale to a great entertaining series.
Two very evenly matched sides , going "toe to toe" !

Its clear that England should have comfortably won the series.
Foolishly believed their own publicity in the first two tests, plus some awful catching.
Aussies were sounder, and deservedly won.
Since then, England have been better, despite being hampered by continually selecting a non wicket taking combatant, in Anderson.

Both teams were considerably better in 2005, and in 2015, but if England can develop an attack to replace Anderson and Broad, they could take some stopping.
One thing that's holding them back is a lack of a a quality spin bowler.
Poor pitches and too much one day cricket, has led us to this sadly.
The only really good spinner in England ATM, is Hamer, for Essex, and he's South African.

So its the hundred now,  something I won't be watching  !
The ashes was epic as always, England very unucky at manchester imo
you didnt keep that promise re the hundred lol and I dont blame you
the hundred may not be for the purists but its been rip snorting entertainment played to big crowds
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Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch



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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch



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Excellent points well madeThumbs Up Im still a bit confused as to why it had to reduce from 20/20 to 100 ? Was that needed to try to squeeze in 2 matches double headers? 5 ball overs isnt cricket ....  Im delighted it was a success but its a tricky balance. I certainly wouldnt want to see any more of the season taken up with the 100 or 20 20 This month brings in the crowds the money etc But its criticial that money goes back into the right places, the youth the faciltiies the skills  and coaching etc Interesting to see batting skills have improved with the 20 / 20 hundred etc But bowling has fallen back .......Less skill more concerned with economy and slow balls etc

Im not sure how one can get bigger crowds to championship cricket but that format is still critical to creating a test match team. Test cricket is still the abolute pinnacle of the game and everyone in cricket needs to buy into that. That means the ICC undertanding the need to not always go for the short end money of the short game. But looks to ensure the whole game stays healthy. It would be akin to rugby allowing sevens to take over ....Ultimately that would damage the game. Balance is key. To put it into perspective there are only 10 test teams.........But 87 20/20 countries playing that version and 19 teams playing 50 overs 

The ashes was magnificent and Im already excited to see this winters tour of world number 1 IndiaThumbs Up


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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch




Excellent summary Pimp - thank you. I obtained a huge amount of satisfaction & joy from cricket. I was taught from day one that the first skill I needed as an opening bat was my defence. Any wannabe seamer was taught line & length before moving on to the technicalities of moving the ball off the seam or the pitch. 

These basic skills will fundamentally never change & unless they are front & centre of the professional game then test cricket, as we know it, will suffer. Can anyone imagine Glenn McGrath honing a skill for bowling as wide as possible without being called for a wide - his job was to take as many of the 20 wickets required to win a test match & if that meant going for some occasional boundaries so be it. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch




Excellent summary Pimp - thank you. I obtained a huge amount of satisfaction & joy from cricket. I was taught from day one that the first skill I needed as an opening bat was my defence. Any wannabe seamer was taught line & length before moving on to the technicalities of moving the ball off the seam or the pitch. 

These basic skills will fundamentally never change & unless they are front & centre of the professional game then test cricket, as we know it, will suffer. Can anyone imagine Glenn McGrath honing a skill for bowling as wide as possible without being called for a wide - his job was to take as many of the 20 wickets required to win a test match & if that meant going for some occasional boundaries so be it. 

Excellent  addition to the above GPR. You mention McGrath,as he is a guy, who could bowl accurately,  that's a given, but as you rightly say, his job is predominately to remove batsmen. He will have a strategy  for different players he's played against before, but other than that, the  sheer class  of late movement, and variety of how hell attack them proved the undoing of so many good players who faced him.
Contrast that with tye attack that Glammy have now.Once you take away the class of Nesser and Hogan, we are left with 'trundlers'( other than Tim Van Gugten), with no spinner to speak of, other than the emerging  Kellaway, or the part time spin of Carlson. One member said to me, that Glammy's attack , made his toothless aged granny, look like a rabid canineConfused
But this situation  is replicated across the counties, so we have foundations  'Built on Sand'.
End of the day, this will come back and bite you in the backside,  well its actually happening now.
In the pyramid structure moving up from  clubs, to minor counties, to second division,  first division, to the eventual test team,there has to a pattern of development,  because otherwise you will not becable to produce batsman who can DEFEND, as well as attack, and bowlers who can take wickets.
A fine example is Tom Bevan , a product if the above system for Glam.
He comes in to open, hits a few boundaries,  the n gets out. He's young, and will learn, but  he would be a better player with improved  technique. 
Likewise,  it's great to see Crawley,  and Ducket succeed, where they have previously  failed,very happy with that.
Both play an attacking style,  great to see, but with a little more sensible shot selection,  both could go on and make massive amounts of runs. Duckets insisting  on playing every ball not leaving is madness, and it's been his undoing.
Harry Brook, again, what a talent, but always gives the bowling side a chance ,particularly  early doors in an innings.
Compare  that with Viv Richards, a complete  attacking player, but did he give you chances...did he hell !
In a nutshell, the blazers at ECB, are happy to continue, as long as coffers are filled, and Eng test team are doing ok.
They need to look beyond that, because test cricket remains the bread and butter of this wonderful  game we love, but without developing talent, not just that produced in the public schools of England,  we are on the proverbial 'sticky wicket '
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Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch




Excellent summary Pimp - thank you. I obtained a huge amount of satisfaction & joy from cricket. I was taught from day one that the first skill I needed as an opening bat was my defence. Any wannabe seamer was taught line & length before moving on to the technicalities of moving the ball off the seam or the pitch. 

These basic skills will fundamentally never change & unless they are front & centre of the professional game then test cricket, as we know it, will suffer. Can anyone imagine Glenn McGrath honing a skill for bowling as wide as possible without being called for a wide - his job was to take as many of the 20 wickets required to win a test match & if that meant going for some occasional boundaries so be it. 

Excellent  addition to the above GPR. You mention McGrath,as he is a guy, who could bowl accurately,  that's a given, but as you rightly say, his job is predominately to remove batsmen. He will have a strategy  for different players he's played against before, but other than that, the  sheer class  of late movement, and variety of how hell attack them proved the undoing of so many good players who faced him.
Contrast that with tye attack that Glammy have now.Once you take away the class of Nesser and Hogan, we are left with 'trundlers'( other than Tim Van Gugten), with no spinner to speak of, other than the emerging  Kellaway, or the part time spin of Carlson. One member said to me, that Glammy's attack , made his toothless aged granny, look like a rabid canineConfused
But this situation  is replicated across the counties, so we have foundations  'Built on Sand'.
End of the day, this will come back and bite you in the backside,  well its actually happening now.
In the pyramid structure moving up from  clubs, to minor counties, to second division,  first division, to the eventual test team,there has to a pattern of development,  because otherwise you will not becable to produce batsman who can DEFEND, as well as attack, and bowlers who can take wickets.
A fine example is Tom Bevan , a product if the above system for Glam.
He comes in to open, hits a few boundaries,  the n gets out. He's young, and will learn, but  he would be a better player with improved  technique. 
Likewise,  it's great to see Crawley,  and Ducket succeed, where they have previously  failed,very happy with that.
Both play an attacking style,  great to see, but with a little more sensible shot selection,  both could go on and make massive amounts of runs. Duckets insisting  on playing every ball not leaving is madness, and it's been his undoing.
Harry Brook, again, what a talent, but always gives the bowling side a chance ,particularly  early doors in an innings.
Compare  that with Viv Richards, a complete  attacking player, but did he give you chances...did he hell !
In a nutshell, the blazers at ECB, are happy to continue, as long as coffers are filled, and Eng test team are doing ok.
They need to look beyond that, because test cricket remains the bread and butter of this wonderful  game we love, but without developing talent, not just that produced in the public schools of England,  we are on the proverbial 'sticky wicket '

I had the privelige ot witnessing king viv in his seasons at glammie in the 90s
The master blaster turned us from perennial losers to one day champions (followed by the chamionship a few yrs after he left)
I saw his double hundred at cardiff and a few other lightning quick centuries........Think hes still got the fastest ton in test cricket history
But he would be circumspect the first few overs usually.........sussing out the conditions the pitch the fielders etc Once he played himself in it was carnage lol These days they bring the ropes in to get more boundaries he didnt have that luxury and he never wore a helmet 
Still ranked as the number 1 batsmen in one day history too


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[QUOTE=roy munster]Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch




Excellent summary Pimp - thank you. I obtained a huge amount of satisfaction & joy from cricket. I was taught from day one that the first skill I needed as an opening bat was my defence. Any wannabe seamer was taught line & length before moving on to the technicalities of moving the ball off the seam or the pitch. 

These basic skills will fundamentally never change & unless they are front & centre of the professional game then test cricket, as we know it, will suffer. Can anyone imagine Glenn McGrath honing a skill for bowling as wide as possible without being called for a wide - his job was to take as many of the 20 wickets required to win a test match & if that meant going for some occasional boundaries so be it. 

Excellent  addition to the above GPR. You mention McGrath,as he is a guy, who could bowl accurately,  that's a given, but as you rightly say, his job is predominately to remove batsmen. He will have a strategy  for different players he's played against before, but other than that, the  sheer class  of late movement, and variety of how hell attack them proved the undoing of so many good players who faced him.
Contrast that with tye attack that Glammy have now.Once you take away the class of Nesser and Hogan, we are left with 'trundlers'( other than Tim Van Gugten), with no spinner to speak of, other than the emerging  Kellaway, or the part time spin of Carlson. One member said to me, that Glammy's attack , made his toothless aged granny, look like a rabid canineConfused
But this situation  is replicated across the counties, so we have foundations  'Built on Sand'.
End of the day, this will come back and bite you in the backside,  well its actually happening now.
In the pyramid structure moving up from  clubs, to minor counties, to second division,  first division, to the eventual test team,there has to a pattern of development,  because otherwise you will not becable to produce batsman who can DEFEND, as well as attack, and bowlers who can take wickets.
A fine example is Tom Bevan , a product if the above system for Glam.
He comes in to open, hits a few boundaries,  the n gets out. He's young, and will learn, but  he would be a better player with improved  technique. 
Likewise,  it's great to see Crawley,  and Ducket succeed, where they have previously  failed,very happy with that.
Both play an attacking style,  great to see, but with a little more sensible shot selection,  both could go on and make massive amounts of runs. Duckets insisting  on playing every ball not leaving is madness, and it's been his undoing.
Harry Brook, again, what a talent, but always gives the bowling side a chance ,particularly  early doors in an innings.
Compare  that with Viv Richards, a complete  attacking player, but did he give you chances...did he hell !
In a nutshell, the blazers at ECB, are happy to continue, as long as coffers are filled, and Eng test team are doing ok.
They need to look beyond that, because test cricket remains the bread and butter of this wonderful  game we love, but without developing talent, not just that produced in the public schools of England,  we are on the proverbial 'sticky wicket '

I had the privelige ot witnessing king viv in his seasons at glammie in the 90s
The master blaster turned us from perennial losers to one day champions (followed by the chamionship a few yrs after he left)
I saw his double hundred at cardiff and a few other lightning quick centuries........Think hes still got the fastest ton in test cricket history
But he would be circumspect the first few overs usually.........sussing out the conditions the pitch the fielders etc Once he played himself in it was carnage lol These days they bring the ropes in to get more boundaries he didnt have that luxury and he never wore a helmet 
Still ranked as the number 1 batsmen in one day history too


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Viv was very physically blessed with great strength, balance & a wonderful eye. He saw the length of quick bowlers very quickly which allowed him to play shots mere mortals could only dream of. His ability to work the ball from outside off through mid wicket/mid on was unbelievable. The best player recently I can recall at emulating that ability is young Crawley who, if he can rein in his impetuous flashes outside off, could become one of the most prolific openers we have had. 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

[QUOTE=roy munster]Bit of a boom time in cricket this season, despite the inclement weather
record ashes sales every day of the mens sold out total 545,000 watched the series (they lost 2 or 3 days to rain) so averaged just under 24000 per day (Hopefully the grounds can expand further soon)
110,000 watched the womens 
record tv audiences for both.........609 million video views
17.8 million bbc/sky viewers thats up 14% on ashes 2019

The hundred was also a big success 580,000 tickets sold to 35 double headers
thats an average of 17000 which is up on last years 510,000
tv viewers up 51% on the first match too

who would have thought the short game would benefit the long test match game and the long game helped promote the short game lol The skills seem to cross over and make both versions captivating to watch




Thanks for the intresting  statistical  analysis Roy.
I have always said that the way to develop the game of cricket you have to win over the hearts and minds of the young...they are future.
To do that you have had to make cricket more " sexy", which they have withe the 20/20. Lights , music, emphasis on attacking,  is seductive, plus its all over in 3hrs, and the 100 , even shorter.
I personally find it all appalling., as its indicative of the 'fast food, shallow social media " society we have become, where short attention spans , and forced fed culture predominate 

Skills wise, Roy is right,however, we have seen a huge improvement  in attacking techniques [ramp etc]in batting, also fielding has continued  to improve  tenfold. 
This undoubtedly  has assisted England  in the ashes , with their emphasis on attack, particularly  when after two tests, they had to moderate  their indiscriminate  " bazball" efforts, and act in a more measured, but still attacking manner, which proved successful,  in a wonderful  close, enthralling series.
Moving on to the cost of the downside on the proliferation  on one day cricket is enormous,  particularly so with regard to bowling.
Now I have finished playing , I watch a lot of LIVE cricket,  as I am no couch potato.  As a result I have a pretty clear idea of the state of play, outside the top echelons  of the game. 
Bowling in the second division, which should be the breeding ground for young talent,  is a joke, a view also held by supporters  of ither counties,  Gloucester,  Sussex, Derby , I have met.
There is a dearth of good young seamers, because half the year, we asking them , above other things , not to attack, but to be economical, and to save runs in limited overs. With regard to spinners, the situation is even worse.There are a few up and coming talents, like Carson, of Sussex, Price of Gloucester, and for Glam, Kellaway, looks a useful prospect. Generally,  however, the situations  gloomy, and 20/ 20 and the hunderd is responsible  for that.
Glam have played 10 matches this season,  9 of which have been drawn...says atcall !
The other problem, particularly  at Cardiff, and to a degreec at other grounds, is we are playing on used pitches, dye the amount of one day cricket, the get result being uncertain  bounce,  and general  unpredictability. Championship,matches,  where players should theory test match  skills and techniques, us now wedged in to the beginning and end of the seasons , with the  occasional  game thrown in mid season ( when conditions  are better), to satisfy  the critics.Not good enough. 
There needs to be a complete  overall of how and when games are played, with a sensible balance between red and white ball
. ATM , white ball rules everything.

To conclude, its great 100, plus20 /20 has exited a new audience , but its been at a massive cost, which unless its arrested, with have a long term detrimental  effect on the game of cricket,  in the General  sense,  from grass roots up, and we see the effect of this now in division 2Ouch




Excellent summary Pimp - thank you. I obtained a huge amount of satisfaction & joy from cricket. I was taught from day one that the first skill I needed as an opening bat was my defence. Any wannabe seamer was taught line & length before moving on to the technicalities of moving the ball off the seam or the pitch. 

These basic skills will fundamentally never change & unless they are front & centre of the professional game then test cricket, as we know it, will suffer. Can anyone imagine Glenn McGrath honing a skill for bowling as wide as possible without being called for a wide - his job was to take as many of the 20 wickets required to win a test match & if that meant going for some occasional boundaries so be it. 

Excellent  addition to the above GPR. You mention McGrath,as he is a guy, who could bowl accurately,  that's a given, but as you rightly say, his job is predominately to remove batsmen. He will have a strategy  for different players he's played against before, but other than that, the  sheer class  of late movement, and variety of how hell attack them proved the undoing of so many good players who faced him.
Contrast that with tye attack that Glammy have now.Once you take away the class of Nesser and Hogan, we are left with 'trundlers'( other than Tim Van Gugten), with no spinner to speak of, other than the emerging  Kellaway, or the part time spin of Carlson. One member said to me, that Glammy's attack , made his toothless aged granny, look like a rabid canineConfused
But this situation  is replicated across the counties, so we have foundations  'Built on Sand'.
End of the day, this will come back and bite you in the backside,  well its actually happening now.
In the pyramid structure moving up from  clubs, to minor counties, to second division,  first division, to the eventual test team,there has to a pattern of development,  because otherwise you will not becable to produce batsman who can DEFEND, as well as attack, and bowlers who can take wickets.
A fine example is Tom Bevan , a product if the above system for Glam.
He comes in to open, hits a few boundaries,  the n gets out. He's young, and will learn, but  he would be a better player with improved  technique. 
Likewise,  it's great to see Crawley,  and Ducket succeed, where they have previously  failed,very happy with that.
Both play an attacking style,  great to see, but with a little more sensible shot selection,  both could go on and make massive amounts of runs. Duckets insisting  on playing every ball not leaving is madness, and it's been his undoing.
Harry Brook, again, what a talent, but always gives the bowling side a chance ,particularly  early doors in an innings.
Compare  that with Viv Richards, a complete  attacking player, but did he give you chances...did he hell !
In a nutshell, the blazers at ECB, are happy to continue, as long as coffers are filled, and Eng test team are doing ok.
They need to look beyond that, because test cricket remains the bread and butter of this wonderful  game we love, but without developing talent, not just that produced in the public schools of England,  we are on the proverbial 'sticky wicket '

I had the privelige ot witnessing king viv in his seasons at glammie in the 90s
The master blaster turned us from perennial losers to one day champions (followed by the chamionship a few yrs after he left)
I saw his double hundred at cardiff and a few other lightning quick centuries........Think hes still got the fastest ton in test cricket history
But he would be circumspect the first few overs usually.........sussing out the conditions the pitch the fielders etc Once he played himself in it was carnage lol These days they bring the ropes in to get more boundaries he didnt have that luxury and he never wore a helmet 
Still ranked as the number 1 batsmen in one day history too


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Viv was very physically blessed with great strength, balance & a wonderful eye. He saw the length of quick bowlers very quickly which allowed him to play shots mere mortals could only dream of. His ability to work the ball from outside off through mid wicket/mid on was unbelievable. The best player recently I can recall at emulating that ability is young Crawley who, if he can rein in his impetuous flashes outside off, could become one of the most prolific openers we have had. 

Great assessment  of Viv above, from two knowledgeable  gentlemen. 
Thanks.
I too has the complete privilege  of watching  him play for Glammy in the 90's.
He may have been past his prime, but was still a great player.
His influence  on the team was enormous. 
I have this eternal vision of him patrolling the covers, as if it was his own personal territory. Cajoling, and occasionally  demanding,  from the younger members of the team.
One of my most abing memories however was the game in Canterbury,  tobwin the John Player Sunday league trophy. 
Bus loads went up, and I was living in Saundersfoot,  at that time.
Kent batted first, and Glam restricted  them to a fairly  modest total. 
Glam however we're not finding it easy, on a slow wicket, and it took the calmn assurance of Viv Richards, supported by Tony Cottey, that got us over the line.
Afterwards  on the balcony,  with the trophy in his hands,  there were tears of joy in the eyes of Viv, which only matched the tears in our eyes. 
Here was a man, who had won every honour  there was in the game, yet it meant that much to him, to bring home a trophy to a club which had been in the doldrums  for several years, without even considering  winning  anything! 
I will never forget that moment, and Viv will always have a place in my heart. 
The best cricketer  I have ever seen.
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