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I’ve said it before but I get the feeling there may be 4 regions but 2 for Europe. That’s the only way we’ll realistically compete with the French and Irish Teams. Success in that competition will bring revenue and support (maybe) but are we big enough to sit alongside our fellow O supporters? I would, but then I’m a lover not a fighter. Thing is we do it for Wales!

Stay in the urc but Also bring back the LV for extra games with English clubs. They were good and brought a lot of players on. 


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Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

I’ve said it before but I get the feeling there may be 4 regions but 2 for Europe.


How on earth would that work? Where do they play? Whose employees are they? What are they called? How do they qualify in the first place?
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

I’ve said it before but I get the feeling there may be 4 regions but 2 for Europe.


How on earth would that work? Where do they play? Whose employees are they? What are they called? How do they qualify in the first place?
Exactly. It’s a non starter 
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It is a non-starter. We need to stick to the identities we have spent years and millions on building.

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.

I don't think it's a bad idea to look at some form of development competition to be played in the test windows, if we end up able to field a team of course.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

I’ve said it before but I get the feeling there may be 4 regions but 2 for Europe.


How on earth would that work? Where do they play? Whose employees are they? What are they called? How do they qualify in the first place?

😂 all good questions but not impossible. Biggest factor would be preparation time. 
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What odds will you give me on ...

* Cardiff
* Swansea(.com)
* Scarlets
* Dragons, but de-funded, becoming a development side (thereby, further intervening in regional development pathways)
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.



I don't see how we are able to do that. We are stuck in an awful "league" run by Unions from Dublin who see fit to keep the pro domestic game stuck at the level they want it, to best compliment the test game.

We need to be in a league where the teams in it control their broadcast revenues, fixture times, ability to make decisions and has a sensible salary cap. That way we can spend half as what the Euro giants do on player wages yet still enjoy 22 competitive fixtures a season. Until that happens we are in a permanent state of flux, toxic relationships with the union, funding woes, bleak revenue challenges and heavy defeats.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.



I don't see how we are able to do that. We are stuck in an awful "league" run by Unions from Dublin who see fit to keep the pro domestic game stuck at the level they want it, to best compliment the test game.

We need to be in a league where the teams in it control their broadcast revenues, fixture times, ability to make decisions and has a sensible salary cap. That way we can spend half as what the Euro giants do on player wages yet still enjoy 22 competitive fixtures a season. Until that happens we are in a permanent state of flux, toxic relationships with the union, funding woes, bleak revenue challenges and heavy defeats.
I agree. But my post in bold has at least a small chance of some small success, whereas the bold bit of yours has no chance of happening because none of us are financially strong enough to play "chicken" with the WRU who would need to sanction us playing in any other competitions.

We can't do anything in the weak position we are in. Which is why the WRU is picking this time to push us into cutting
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

It is a non-starter. We need to stick to the identities we have spent years and millions on building.

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.

I don't think it's a bad idea to look at some form of development competition to be played in the test windows, if we end up able to field a team of course.

tv / stadium name sales/tickets/merchandise/extra events, more concerts, the scarlets v all blacks is it happening? 
do scarlets do their own catering? that could be lucrative
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

It is a non-starter. We need to stick to the identities we have spent years and millions on building.

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.

I don't think it's a bad idea to look at some form of development competition to be played in the test windows, if we end up able to field a team of course.

tv / stadium name sales/tickets/merchandise/extra events, more concerts, the scarlets v all blacks is it happening? 
do scarlets do their own catering? that could be lucrative
Cawl at half time in the depths of winter would be a winner 


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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

It is a non-starter. We need to stick to the identities we have spent years and millions on building.

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.

I don't think it's a bad idea to look at some form of development competition to be played in the test windows, if we end up able to field a team of course.

tv / stadium name sales/tickets/merchandise/extra events, more concerts, the scarlets v all blacks is it happening? 
do scarlets do their own catering? that could be lucrative
Cawl at half time in the depths of winter would be a winner 
Sending people down the aisles with snacks/ beers outside of half time might be useful.
They've tried concerts. Pussy Cat Dolls got killed by covid and Paloma Faith was cancelled presumably down to sales?
The All Blacks seems to have slipped away too, it seems
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

But we should be exploring opportunities for extra revenue at the same time as trying to make the PRB work.



I don't see how we are able to do that. We are stuck in an awful "league" run by Unions from Dublin who see fit to keep the pro domestic game stuck at the level they want it, to best compliment the test game.

We need to be in a league where the teams in it control their broadcast revenues, fixture times, ability to make decisions and has a sensible salary cap. That way we can spend half as what the Euro giants do on player wages yet still enjoy 22 competitive fixtures a season. Until that happens we are in a permanent state of flux, toxic relationships with the union, funding woes, bleak revenue challenges and heavy defeats.

Is it the Irish connection?
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I have to say that over the years I haven't always agreed with everything that Kid A has said about how toxic/unfair the Dublin based powers that run our game are. My attitude to the funding issue was that we needed to up our game to attempt to match the Irish. There is still an element in my thinking that, with the correct people running our game in Wales, we could indeed generate more income however the funding gap is increasing despite so called caps in France.

If the people charged with running the URC & the European tournaments truly want to improve the product then they have to understand that leaving things the way they are will only see the demise of both tournaments. When English teams with massive following like Leicester Tigers cannot compete at elite level it is time for change to make the competitions truly that - competition & not an annual tango featuring the usual suspects.

A cursory glance at the semi final line up this weekend tells you everything you need to know about the main reason behind the 4 teams reaching this stage. Is it fair competition - of course not. Tournament organisers need to ask themselves if they would be happy if Musk decided he suddenly loved the game of rugby & cancelled his purchase of Twitter but instead bought out Mr Buttress & the WRU from the Dragons. Within two years even Dean Ryan could probably make a team full of A list players from all over the World into a force not only in the URC but Europe - is that really what this is all about???

If the organisers of both tournaments really wanted to get thriving, level playing field competitions the tools are there for them to use. Salary caps, home grown/academy limits per squad, limits on overseas players involved. I am not advocating trying to change the domestic tournament rules in France but that should have no bearing on the rules for Europe for instance. In fairness to the English clubs they have, with a hefty nudge from Covid, grasped the nettle and taken decisions to safeguard the integrity of their competition. Anyone of my fellow posters who watches the Premiership during this season will surely rave about the quality on offer, the competitiveness of most games and the evidence of emerging young talent throughout the squads. 

Organisers of the URC & European competitions should look, learn and act. How many of them would bet their houses on picking the winner of this season's Premiership???? Ask the same question about who wins the URC - different answer. Ask the same questions for next season's tournaments answer English Premiership any one of 5/6 teams roughly 50% of those involved; URC one from 16 - 6%, Champions Cup 3 from 24 - 12.5% : enough said. 
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Wish there was an Ignore function on this website
How much would one cost?
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Wish there was an Ignore function on this website
How much would one cost?

Or just swear at the poster in a snide way. 
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