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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Sandman Sandman wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Let's give Dan Davis the chance to recapture his once exceptional pace. We asked him to bulk up, and he has responded, perhaps to the detriment of outright pace. We have been very tolerant of the long injuries some of our favourite players have suffered so let's hope that Dan can use a fraction of this time to get back up to speed!
What happens if Dan gets injured before Lezana returns? There needs to be a signing made at 7
Could Blade or Shings play 7 if required? 
They'd have to if Dan got injured but obviously neither are natural opensides.

Both have played 7 for their countries.  No problem. 😋
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Sandman Sandman wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Let's give Dan Davis the chance to recapture his once exceptional pace. We asked him to bulk up, and he has responded, perhaps to the detriment of outright pace. We have been very tolerant of the long injuries some of our favourite players have suffered so let's hope that Dan can use a fraction of this time to get back up to speed!
What happens if Dan gets injured before Lezana returns? There needs to be a signing made at 7
Could Blade or Shings play 7 if required? 
They'd have to if Dan got injured but obviously neither are natural opensides.

Both have played 7 for their countries.  No problem. 😋
. I assume it will soon be time for Cubby’s future to be decided I suspect. It can’t go on . Dan has certainly not had a dominant game yet for us either to convince me he is the real deal  It’s worrying . 

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Any time scale on cubby return? 
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No time scale on Cubby, or any concussion case really.
He is building up his schedule each week though, so I guess that’s encouraging.
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How come Cubby and Rob Evs can be out for 6+ months with concussion yet Halfpenny is still allowed to play only a few months after any of his head knocks.

I assume it’s just personal variation in the testing? I hope they’re all ok longer term


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Didn't Shaun Evans come back onto the field in the second half and play in the back row yesterday?

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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

How come Cubby and Rob Evs can be out for 6+ months with concussion yet Halfpenny is still allowed to play only a few months after any of his head knocks.

I assume it’s just personal variation in the testing? I hope they’re all ok longer term



It’s symptom linked, not so much time related.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

How come Cubby and Rob Evs can be out for 6+ months with concussion yet Halfpenny is still allowed to play only a few months after any of his head knocks.

I assume it’s just personal variation in the testing? I hope they’re all ok longer term



It’s symptom linked, not so much time related.


It's both symptom linked and time related.  There are certain minimum periods for each of the stages in the Graduated Return to Play programme (GRTP) BUT a player will only be able to progress to the next stage if they are symptom free.

What often happens is that each time a player tries to move to a particular stage in the programme, they experience symptoms, which knock them back down a stage.

All you ever wanted to know about concussion management in rugby union but were afraid to ask, https://www.world.rugby/the-game/player-welfare/medical/concussion/concussion-guidelines
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Your talking about return to play protocols in general there I think.
I’m linking my comments in reply to Cubby’s specific case. There’s no time limit or time constraint. He will play when totally symptom free.
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Nic Cudd sounds an excellent short term ( till Xmas) option. We certainly need cover at 7.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dic Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 September 2021 at 8:09am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Your talking about return to play protocols in general there I think.
I’m linking my comments in reply to Cubby’s specific case. There’s no time limit or time constraint. He will play when totally symptom free.


What if a player does not become symptom free before the end of his contract?All players are contracted for a specific period of time,so there will always be a time limit and a time constraint,regardless of the injury.
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Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Your talking about return to play protocols in general there I think.
I’m linking my comments in reply to Cubby’s specific case. There’s no time limit or time constraint. He will play when totally symptom free.


What if a player does not become symptom free before the end of his contract?All players are contracted for a specific period of time,so there will always be a time limit and a time constraint,regardless of the injury.
If a player is still suffering concussion symptoms at the end of their contract the club has to decide whether a new contract is likely to be a good use of their resources, or whether the team would be better off of those resources were allocated to another player(s). That’s the same whether a player has a concussion injury or any other type of injury. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dic Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 September 2021 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Bert Scarlet Bert Scarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

How come Cubby and Rob Evs can be out for 6+ months with concussion yet Halfpenny is still allowed to play only a few months after any of his head knocks.

I assume it’s just personal variation in the testing? I hope they’re all ok longer term



It’s symptom linked, not so much time related.


It's both symptom linked and time related.  There are certain minimum periods for each of the stages in the Graduated Return to Play programme (GRTP) BUT a player will only be able to progress to the next stage if they are symptom free.

What often happens is that each time a player tries to move to a particular stage in the programme, they experience symptoms, which knock them back down a stage.

All you ever wanted to know about concussion management in rugby union but were afraid to ask, https://www.world.rugby/the-game/player-welfare/medical/concussion/concussion-guidelines


Thanks for uploading-that's certainly helped my understanding.Clearly there are minimum time periods that have to be adhered to.Having read this I'm struggling to look on the bright side tbh.
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It’s a tough one if we recruit a good 7 on big wages and josh and cubby come back we are left with 3 highly paid players for one position, a short term loan would be ideal. The whole concussion issue is a difficult one for all sides to manage medically hopefully we get cubby back sooner rather than later but his heAlth must come first
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 September 2021 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Your talking about return to play protocols in general there I think.
I’m linking my comments in reply to Cubby’s specific case. There’s no time limit or time constraint. He will play when totally symptom free.



What if a player does not become symptom free before the end of his contract?All players are contracted for a specific period of time,so there will always be a time limit and a time constraint,regardless of the injury.


There's an assumption that the club would automatically release a player with concussion at the end of his contract in that observation (or for any sort of injury for that matter).

We've had lengthy lay offs to Patchell, Rob Evans, Halfpenny, Blade Thomason and others in recent times. It's a real concern in the modern game.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dic Penderyn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 September 2021 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Your talking about return to play protocols in general there I think.
I’m linking my comments in reply to Cubby’s specific case. There’s no time limit or time constraint. He will play when totally symptom free.



What if a player does not become symptom free before the end of his contract?All players are contracted for a specific period of time,so there will always be a time limit and a time constraint,regardless of the injury.


There's an assumption that the club would automatically release a player with concussion at the end of his contract in that observation (or for any sort of injury for that matter).

We've had lengthy lay offs to Patchell, Rob Evans, Halfpenny, Blade Thomason and others in recent times. It's a real concern in the modern game.



I'm not assuming anything,but I am recognising the fact that any employer would,at some point in time(normally agreed or at any rate recognised)review the contractual position of any employee whose injury/illness prevents him/her from fulfilling the terms of the employment contract.To suggest that any employee could remain on the sick with "no time limit or time constraint" until such time as they are "symptom free" is absurd-or utopian!
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