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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2021 at 11:23am
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

doc. You ask if there is any interest in left wing politics. How many people ever hear anything but the most distorted, negative view of left wing politics and then after those who advocate them have had their characters maligned by exaggerations and lies. Ask people whether they believe that the huge gap between rich and poor is fair, or whether they are happy that it has such a horrendous effect on the life chances of the poor and you will see that there is no indifference to real politics as opposed to the narrow band of right wing politics advocated by the self-interested billionaire media.

Those billionaire media moguls are also Conservative Party donors as well and numerous journalists swap back and forth between the papers and politics; a conflict of interest that seems fine in the UK. It's a full on propaganda machine, no other word for it.
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Whatever Labour’s trouble in England it clearly hasn’t extended to Wales. I’m no fan of them and am gutted Plaid have done so poorly but for Labour to get 30 seats is an amazing achievement, especially with a voting system that is designed to introduce a degree of proportionality (although arguably not enough) and make majorities hard. What the reasons for such contrasting fortunes are should be a matter of considerable debate, as I find it hard to believe that the Welsh (and Scottish for that matter) working classes could be so much more leftwing than the English.

For whatever reason (the massive imbalance in newspaper support, Boris being high profile vs Starmer being low key, Brexit supporters switching to the Tories) the Conservatives have done very well in England - despite the total mess Johnson and his private sector cronies made of a great deal of the coronavirus decision making and administration:

Test and Trace - given to an unqualified Tory - was to be 'world beating' a year ago - still doesn't work;
PPE - many contracts for supply given to personal friends - perhaps Hancock's publican being the most extreme example of someone with no prior experience - and many PPE kits bought had to be ditched as they were not up t scratch

Vaccination and distribution of such - run by the NHS and local authorities - an almost unqualified success, with minimal private sector input.

Bizarrely, Johnson has not suffered for the absurdly expensive cock-ups of his private sector chums (£31 BILLION set aside for PPE, I think) and has managed somehow to claim the credit for the public sector vaccination programme. Govt's main plus point here was to buy enough doses early -credit for that, TBF.)

So - in England, Johnson has done well as a result of his wholly inappropriate 'optimism' which cost who knows how many lives, but who cares? Not the electorate in England, apparently.

Meanwhile in Wales - another low-key politician - Mark Drakeford - has been seen to run things cautiously, and to tell it like it is - no BS - and in spite of everything, Wales has done a bit better overall in dealing with COVID than wealthier England. The electorate have noticed this, and voted accordingly.

No wonder I prefer to live in Wales!
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England is the most over populated country in europe at 432 people per square km, 16th in the world
Wales is only 151 people per square km and 121st in the world
scotland is only 65 per square km and 154th
ireland 72 per square km and 151st

The english can keep their endless airport expansions, endless tower blocks, increased pollution and concrete jungles, all in the name of profiteering, they can keep their crown jewels too...Give me cleaner air, green pastures, secret beaches and tranquil estuaries ....Alas bojo and the bullingdon boys know the price of everything but the value of nothing


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Looking at welsh results , it seems plaed had the weakest night picking up just 1 seat, tories gained 5 and labour gained 1, so solid night for labour in wales, tories will be happy as they gained 5. seats nicked off UKIP. Labours overall share of vote went up a bit too. everyone is exaggerating their successes, but I think plaed will be most disappointed, tories content with progress and labour happy to take 30 seats again

The drakeford factor is interesting, hes now hailed as a great covid leader. I dont entirely agree with that. The early days were dreadful in wales just as in england. The endless wasted field hospitals, the deaths in the care homes, the failure on testing was even worse here as we ended up joining the UK website instead. Big towns like llanelli were 6 months behind carmarthen for testing sites? 

I also thought some decisions like reopening night clubs last year and reopening most schools in february 2021 was too soon, plus the endless marches should have been curtailed during lockdown imo. But the miraculous vaccine roll out has been very good. That roll out has saved everyones bacon include drakeford. Though there have been gaps in that too, disabled people werent specifically prioritised and should have been imo...  Ive not heard of any profiteering with the covid contracts like westminster, drakeford certainly doesnt seem like hes in politics for self serving purposes

I also think the controlled withdrawal from lockdown has been pretty good. Though the front line police should also be prioritised for a jab imo theyve had a nightmare job to do and they will need to be on their toes when pubs reopen on may 17th...Its going to be carnage and the WAG and police need to have a masterplan to deal with than and dispersing mass crowds...social distancing and masks etc may become unworkable in those situations which may cause another spike in cases

....Next step is phased reopening of major events too, that will be interesting......




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai Guevara Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2021 at 6:48pm
Aber-fan I think your £31 billion for track and trace is a bit low. It actually costs £37 billion, but what's £6,000,000,000 between friends (or business partners) for that matter?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2021 at 8:01am
Finally someone starting to catalogue these lies in the HoC. A short video worth a watch.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2021 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Aber-fan I think your £31 billion for track and trace is a bit low. It actually costs £37 billion, but what's £6,000,000,000 between friends (or business partners) for that matter?

LOL

You may well be right - for sure, the corruption regarding the involvement of unqualified cronies and their companies in the COVID bonanza is an absolute disgrace, though you'd have to look pretty hard in the Tory press (Mail, Telegraph, Times, Sun, Express...) to see anything but what a great job has been done on vaccination (run by the public sector!). 

As a taxpayer, I am incensed by this - but other taxpayers who would probably feel the same, just have not been informed. Boris is seen as the 'Brexit hero", and who cares about this major raid on the public purse, which we'll be paying for  for years - and our kids and grandkids too, very likely. It's all rather depressing... more fuss has been made over the £60k or so spent on Boris's wallpaper than on this act of grand larceny.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jones2004 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2021 at 10:13pm
The first line of this tweet was just too funny not to share!
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