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Just a question , as a leave voter , is the brexit we have now the form of brexit you voted for , or would you have preferred a Norway model , where we would have a trade agreement with Europe ...I've noticed a lot of Tory MPs state how the current version is unworkable 
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Just a question , as a leave voter , is the brexit we have now the form of brexit you voted for , or would you have preferred a Norway model , where we would have a trade agreement with Europe ...I've noticed a lot of Tory MPs state how the current version is unworkable 

Thats a good question. I would have preferred a full Brexit not Norway but, & here comes the rub, managed by a competent government which were as one in agreement with the way forward. History has shown, so far at least, that extreme factions within the Conservative & Unionist sections have carried far too much weight in the decision making. 

I include the Unionists in this because I do not underestimate the negative impact that Unionist parties in Northern Ireland have had & continue to have in the debate. European leaders were, in my opinion, very ready to go that extra mile to keep Britain & all its huge benefits to the EU onside only to be slapped in the face by an ever increasingly bolshy Boris playing to his masters. My strongly held belief is that if we had a grown up leading the negotiations like Theresa May things would have turned out very differently. 
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I think I'm going to agree with you ..what alternate reality have we entered Shocked
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OMG 
I think I'm going to agree with you ..what alternate reality have we entered Shocked

Nirvana comes to those who wait & listen. 
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Smells like teen spirit to me Wink
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Just a question , as a leave voter , is the brexit we have now the form of brexit you voted for , or would you have preferred a Norway model , where we would have a trade agreement with Europe ...I've noticed a lot of Tory MPs state how the current version is unworkable 

There is a trade agreement isnt there?
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There is no trade agreement with Europe currently but the UK has just signed one with oceana which brings in an additional 0.08% to our GDP ...which has gone down by 4% per year since Brexit ...so effectively it will take 5 years to offset leaving the European market , but if course by then we would have lost 20% , so the only emotion it stirs in a normal person is tears of sorrow 
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So, basically, Brexit is sh*t because the Brexit you voted for isn't the 'true Brexit'?

FFS - those of us who always foresaw that it would be a disaster argued that the final agreement should be put to a vote: the vote we actually had was an 'advisory' one - no politician was obliged to press ahead with 'any old Brexit' regardless. But - no. We were not allowed to vote on the Boris deal. 

WRT to the channel story - as it happens, we caught a ferry to France on Saturday (a day late - not Brexit related - there was a storm and the sailing was postponed); when we got to Roscoff, disembarkation took all of 2 hours - before Brexit 45 min would have been 'top end' of bad luck - but now every passport has to be scanned and stamped. Bloody great!

As for 'was it a good idea in the first place'? My best friend had lived in the USA for 20 years and at the time of the vote was still there - all his family voted for Brexit - I told him it would be a mistake. He moved back 3 years ago - by now, that he's had time to absorb the results, he's even more fed up with Brexit than I am! So, that from an intelligent guy who was on the fence until his return.

Finally - the hypocrites. Nigel Lawson actively campaigned for Brexit, but chose to live his declining years in France. That exact option was removed from many retired elderly British people living in the EU - mainly Spain and France - because their access to medical care through reciprocal arrangements was removed, and many - the poorer ones - were forced to move back to the UK, where housing is more expensive and the weather is worse. Never mind - it should shave a few years off their life expectancy. (They were not allowed to vote on Brexit, BTW.) In the meantime, many young, working, taxpaying EU people - a lot in the NHS - returned home, not fancying the 'hostile environment' championed by one Theresa May and made even worse by Patel and Braverman.

Also mentioned in despatches: Rees-Mogg (arch-Brexiteer, he moved much of his financial operations to Dublin post-Brexit):

James Dyson of vacuum cleaner fame, who: "In 2019, Dyson announced the company's permanent move from the United Kingdom to Singapore, where its headquarters are at the St James Power Station building.[12] Ever since, the company has conducted its base of operations out of Singapore, with its headquarters being the hub for Dyson's research and engineering teams, as well as commercial, advanced manufacturing and supply chain operations.[10][12] In 2022, Dyson announced that it would be investing a further S$1.5 billion in the country"

I could name a few more...
“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Some brilliant fact filled posts there , ostriches will eventually have to take their head out of the ground (I saw it on David Attenborough)Clap
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I voted remain because it was going to be lass hassle for me to travel in europe. A selfish reason  i grant you, tbh  I have no huge concerns about the politics of it all. However the eu seemed to out grow it’s original idea of being a common market into being some sort of super state, when did it morph into a body with all these powers and policies? On the whole we are better in in than out of it i would sAy but plenty of eu nations seems skint to it is hardly a pancea to all our ills. There are plenty of affluent non eu natons who are doing just fine our current ills are mainly due to inept uk govt than leaving the uk. Tbh i have the fall back option of an irish passport than i will likely take up

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It's a nice option and parachute to have the Irish passport ...I drunk Guinness once in Dublin , do I qualify Wink
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It's a nice option and parachute to have the Irish passport ...I drunk Guinness once in Dublin , do I qualify Wink
grand parent rule , just make one up like howarth and sikimson did for wales Wink
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

There is no trade agreement with Europe currently but the UK has just signed one with oceana which brings in an additional 0.08% to our GDP ...which has gone down by 4% per year since Brexit ...so effectively it will take 5 years to offset leaving the European market , but if course by then we would have lost 20% , so the only emotion it stirs in a normal person is tears of sorrow 

The UK Trade Agreement with the eu was signed on 30 December 2020, was applied provisionally as of 1 January 2021 and entered into force on 1 May 2021
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