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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

as i said to me that is a personal attack on khan not extemisim, i didn’t say it was ok. i guess we just have different views on what extremisim is. for me thousands of people chanting for the destructiom of a nation , burning union jacks, clambering all over the  centoaph is more extreme than some daft old tory banging on tbh

Some on the far right may well act on what Anderson has said. Incitenment to hatred is an offence I believe. Consider the possible outcome of Anderson's comments.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

as i said to me that is a personal attack on khan not extemisim, i didn’t say it was ok. i guess we just have different views on what extremisim is. for me thousands of people chanting for the destructiom of a nation , burning union jacks, clambering all over the  centoaph is more extreme than some daft old tory banging on tbh

Some on the far right may well act on what Anderson has said. Incitenment to hatred is an offence I believe. Consider the possible outcome of Anderson's comments.

Exactly...
Ridiculous comments from RR,who needs to take a hard look at himself
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sorry if i have offended you folks but i stand by my comments, 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

as i said to me that is a personal attack on khan not extemisim, i didn’t say it was ok. i guess we just have different views on what extremisim is. for me thousands of people chanting for the destructiom of a nation , burning union jacks, clambering all over the  centoaph is more extreme than some daft old tory banging on tbh

Some on the far right may well act on what Anderson has said. Incitenment to hatred is an offence I believe. Consider the possible outcome of Anderson's comments.
whats your views on these pro palestine marchers chanting from the river to the sea calling for the total destruction of israel?  i have no  love for the far right be they the edl idiots or the sharia law supporting idiots , two sides of an idiotic coin if you ask me.  certainly some of the  hard line pro palestine  are being whipped up into a frenzy hence the anti semitic attacks taking place and wasn’t a tory mp recently murdered?  if your worried by andersons comments you must be really worried about this lot, crickey we have seen marchers wearing hamas badges, burning union jacks  clambering all over war memorials to our dead and attacking some one with a hamas are  terrorists placard. that is far more worrying to me, for some reason peiple are loathe to comment on this worrying trend
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We have to have a balance on this topic otherwise people you randomly meet at the bar could be accused of extremism by comments they make. I tend to agree with RR - Anderson is definitely a prat who, for whatever reason, dislikes Sadiq Khan but that surely does not make him an extremist - a racist perhaps.

As for incitement to hatred - the far right do not really need any help from a muppet like Anderson to dislike muslims - they already make that abundantly clear. Surely the new ruling is designed to make large gatherings of people with extreme views less likely so that society in general can be safer. 

The unfortunate truth is that in a country with free speech people like Anderson, whether in the public eye or not, are free to think & say whatever they like unless, of course, they cross the line & suggests something illegal. Those of you who are not comfortable with that you have my sympathy but that is well & truly dissipated because the alternative - like a free election currently going on in Russia is far worse. 
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It now appears that the racist Tory party funder Frank Hester has recently donated even more money to the Tory party than originally thought.
Sunak eventually confessed to Heater’s remarks being racist, but refused to be drawn as to whether he would hand the original donation back, he’s now going to come under even more scrutiny should these further donations be proven to be correct.
It just shows how complicit the party are in the whole debacle when the post office minister (Kevin hoylake), who did say that the comments were racist, stated in the same sentence that he would happily accept more funding from the Hester.
So as it stands, you can be a racist, incite hatred, accuse people of being under the control of islamists if you are either a Tory MP or donate to the Tory party, but you would be seen as a terrorist or being part of a terrorist organisation if your not a Tory MP or Tory party donor.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

as i said to me that is a personal attack on khan not extemisim, i didn’t say it was ok. i guess we just have different views on what extremisim is. for me thousands of people chanting for the destructiom of a nation , burning union jacks, clambering all over the  centoaph is more extreme than some daft old tory banging on tbh

Some on the far right may well act on what Anderson has said. Incitenment to hatred is an offence I believe. Consider the possible outcome of Anderson's comments.
whats your views on these pro palestine marchers chanting from the river to the sea calling for the total destruction of israel?  i have no  love for the far right be they the edl idiots or the sharia law supporting idiots , two sides of an idiotic coin if you ask me.  certainly some of the  hard line pro palestine  are being whipped up into a frenzy hence the anti semitic attacks taking place and wasn’t a tory mp recently murdered?  if your worried by andersons comments you must be really worried about this lot, crickey we have seen marchers wearing hamas badges, burning union jacks  clambering all over war memorials to our dead and attacking some one with a hamas are  terrorists placard. that is far more worrying to me, for some reason peiple are loathe to comment on this worrying trend

People have a right to protest as a means of expressing their views. I see nothing wrong in that. What I don't condone is violence from either side. 

What Hamas did on 7th October was unforgivable, but the Israelis have gone too far, and both sides should negotiate a ceasefire.
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serious  q why dont hamas surrender then?  why don hamas return their hostages? why don’t they remove from their charter the vow to wipe israel off the map?. if they did all 3 the war abd the killings stop over night. instead they just repeat the vow to repeat the october attacks over and over again.  i want to see a ceasefire but hamas don’t seem to want to
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

as i said to me that is a personal attack on khan not extemisim, i didn’t say it was ok. i guess we just have different views on what extremisim is. for me thousands of people chanting for the destructiom of a nation , burning union jacks, clambering all over the  centoaph is more extreme than some daft old tory banging on tbh

Some on the far right may well act on what Anderson has said. Incitenment to hatred is an offence I believe. Consider the possible outcome of Anderson's comments.
whats your views on these pro palestine marchers chanting from the river to the sea calling for the total destruction of israel?  i have no  love for the far right be they the edl idiots or the sharia law supporting idiots , two sides of an idiotic coin if you ask me.  certainly some of the  hard line pro palestine  are being whipped up into a frenzy hence the anti semitic attacks taking place and wasn’t a tory mp recently murdered?  if your worried by andersons comments you must be really worried about this lot, crickey we have seen marchers wearing hamas badges, burning union jacks  clambering all over war memorials to our dead and attacking some one with a hamas are  terrorists placard. that is far more worrying to me, for some reason peiple are loathe to comment on this worrying trend

People have a right to protest as a means of expressing their views. I see nothing wrong in that. What I don't condone is violence from either side. 

What Hamas did on 7th October was unforgivable, but the Israelis have gone too far, and both sides should negotiate a ceasefire.

I noticed on this forum criticism of environmental protestors (they were very selfish, apparently) yet no comment on the farmers. Same for Tory MPs: very aggressive criticism towards environmental protests yet Sunak himself was posing for photos with the farmers.

This is what undermines them: not necessarily what they are doing, as I think evidently there's a good justification for stopping violet protest and hate-speech, but why they are doing it and who it is aimed at. Plus the selective nature of their examples and target groups.
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the senedd is very pro green and anti polluters. unless it seems they donate £200k to the fund of a labour am running for first minister
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

the senedd is very pro green and anti polluters. unless it seems they donate £200k to the fund of a labour am running for first minister

Gething was very wrong on this one. He should return the money immediately. I certainly won't support him. I was also very suspicious about the union votes.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

the senedd is very pro green and anti polluters. unless it seems they donate £200k to the fund of a labour am running for first minister

Gething was very wrong on this one. He should return the money immediately. I certainly won't support him. I was also very suspicious about the union votes.
ex union solictor isn’t he? i can see why they back him
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