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    Posted: 07 March 2021 at 7:43pm
Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
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Yeah its the same whenever i hear the sharks i immediately think of the Durban Sharks not Sale. I think its a good move to be honest. They will still be synonymous with those light blue jerseys. 
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?

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The main difference is we were (and still are)the only team in our region which would historically have been considered a first class club 

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Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

The main difference is we were (and still are)the only team in our region which would historically have been considered a first class club 

spot on ☝️👍👍 cardiff want the status of being a stand alone club with the benefits of being a region, very arrogant attitude

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we were the only big west wales club so we were always a club and a sort of region too, with a great brand too. Its hard to compare us with other regions  as they didnt have the same identity in terms of tradition, identity or logisitics.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?
What? Nothing changes at all in terms of the development pathway. These players are contracted to Cardiff not to the semi-pro clubs. Quite literally nothing has changed apart from their name and the commercial potential which comes with it. 
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Why  do other clubs have to send theit best young prospects to another club? Why cant we do a deal with say ponty? Why is cardiff going to generate more fans than cardiff blues ? It makes no sense ? Is a team called cardiff blues , who play every home game on cardiff not cardiff enough for them?

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They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?
What? Nothing changes at all in terms of the development pathway. These players are contracted to Cardiff not to the semi-pro clubs. Quite literally nothing has changed apart from their name and the commercial potential which comes with it. 
 

Yes we should have kept Llanelli in our name and left us as Llanelli Scarlets perhaps, as we already shouted “Scarlets Scarlets”... from the touchiness to my earliest recollections in the’ 60’s and outside our locality sporting people know us more for the name Llanelli rugby club rather than the Scarlets as that’s what we are Llanelli! 

Our fan base and feeder base hasn’t changed at all. 


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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 

Didn’t they win the challenge cup?
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

we were the only big west wales club so we were always a club and a sort of region too, with a great brand too. Its hard to compare us with other regions  as they didnt have the same identity in terms of tradition, identity or logisitics.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 March 2021 at 1:36pm
Maybe they could have gone for cardiff blue and blacks as thats what they were always known as , just a bit of a mouthful
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.
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Just an aside to the name change from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff !! This surely means that Dwayne is out of contract as he signed for the Cardiff Blues who will no longer exist !! Croeso gartref Dwayne !!
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