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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


There wasn’t a 3rd tier event in 2019?

Can’t recall when they stopped. Around 2006 I thought.

My mistake will, I think we've crossed wires! I thought you were referring to the Blues win of the Challenge cup. Apologies.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


There wasn’t a 3rd tier event in 2019?

Can’t recall when they stopped. Around 2006 I thought.


My mistake will, I think we've crossed wires! I thought you were referring to the Blues win of the Challenge cup. Apologies.


Oh yes!
Ha!
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.


Oh yeh I remember. So going by that rationale if the Scarlets ever won it it’s not something to brag about. 



Correct, I'd enjoy the day out but winning the league means more, winning the HC would obviously be the pinnacle.

This digresses from my point though, as a supporter I'd be wary of expectation and a change of name having any meaningful impact on off or on field performance.

There's a lot of hype going alongside the name change which is expected but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I was a Blues supporter. There's all the talk of a global brand, world renowned club, commercial powerhouse, etc. but nothing has really changed.

They've got the same squad, same staff, same stadium, same fans, pretty much the same name and badge and even similar club colours as they've have since rugby went professional, they've never made the most of their location and resources and I don't see changing the word Blues to Rugby changing that.
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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.


Oh yeh I remember. So going by that rationale if the Scarlets ever won it it’s not something to brag about. 



Correct, I'd enjoy the day out but winning the league means more, winning the HC would obviously be the pinnacle.

This digresses from my point though, as a supporter I'd be wary of expectation and a change of name having any meaningful impact on off or on field performance.

There's a lot of hype going alongside the name change which is expected but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I was a Blues supporter. There's all the talk of a global brand, world renowned club, commercial powerhouse, etc. but nothing has really changed.

They've got the same squad, same staff, same stadium, same fans, pretty much the same name and badge and even similar club colours as they've have since rugby went professional, they've never made the most of their location and resources and I don't see changing the word Blues to Rugby changing that.

You're right. They have been a badly run club for as long as I can recall. The fiasco over the ground rental typifies their dilemma. Considering their location in the heart of the city centre their average gates are very poor. 
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Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
 
 


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
 
 

Well deluded rather sums up the management style of Cardiff for many years. 
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Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue

LOL we're a clubegion
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Perhaps any Ponty players/fans who have fallen for the Blues region gimmick will now realise that their sole purpose is to make the mighty Cardiff mightier yet.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
We are definitely what we always were - a club- but although it would be nice to reintroduce Llanelli into our club name I think that we have naturally evolved comfortably into a club that covers a Region. I suspect that our supporters in the West will also prefer us in 2021 to be known as the Scarlets as well although I have not done a survey! Perhaps more luck than judgment but I think we are comfortable as we are.
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
We are definitely what we always were - a club- but although it would be nice to reintroduce Llanelli into our club name I think that we have naturally evolved comfortably into a club that covers a Region. I suspect that our supporters in the West will also prefer us in 2021 to be known as the Scarlets as well although I have not done a survey! Perhaps more luck than judgment but I think we are comfortable as we are.
I didn't want Llanelli dropped from the name.  I want it back
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Sorry but if the scarlets were to win the challenge cup it would be hugely celebrated on here & rightly so. 
It’s alway nice to win a final, but the Challenge Cup is the third best trophy a club can win. Being in the competition is an indication of failure in itself, and winning it is just making the best out of a bad situation. 
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either


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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either

Agreed. Selling it as something revolutionary may be a slight smokescreen from the board to take the spotlight away from their fairly fundamental issues which are lack of success over many years, financial issues which have never recovered since Pies closed his wallet and a pretty awful record of coach appointments since Dai Young left for Wasps. 

The area will continue to produce very talented players of course but they don't seem able to keep many through their pathway. 
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