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aled davies or bevan at 9 be handy. winnet basham/botham and teddy williams 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Legendinmybathroom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2025 at 1:05pm
I’d add Mackenzie Martin to that list, he has the bulk and raw material to make an abrasive ball carrier but may need to work on his work ethic (if Sherratt is right).
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It'll be the players that have deals beyond next season that'll be the most twitchy because no-one knows what'll happen if they can't find a buyer.
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Trostre Parc Boy Trostre Parc Boy wrote:

Quick question regarding the Cardiff RFC SRC application. Any teams SRC application required a solid financial record , why where they allowed to apply after originally not applying to join the SRC? Especially if as now has been stated they WRU knew for several months the regional side they represent weren't financially safe ?

I doubt they knew a year ago when their place was confirmed.

Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff RFC are different entities, connected only by geography and the SRC rules. Which they have already been in bother over this year. The RFC had included (or been given access to) insufficient numbers of regional players to satisfy the SRC rules so suddenly had to play 9 regional academy players in one game. They duly got thrashed.

As to the late application, the original intention in Octber 2023 of Cardiff rfc, Ponty and Merthyr was to not apply. But I think, when sale of the regional was scrutinised by the WRU, they demanded that there was at least one SRC side in the Cardiff region. So the rfc had to join the SRC. 
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff RFC are different entities, connected only by geography and the SRC rules. Which they have already been in bother over this year. The RFC had included (or been given access to) insufficient numbers of regional players to satisfy the SRC rules so suddenly had to play 9 regional academy players in one game. They duly got thrashed.

As to the late application, the original intention in Octber 2023 of Cardiff rfc, Ponty and Merthyr was to not apply. But I think, when sale of the regional was scrutinised by the WRU, they demanded that there was at least one SRC side in the Cardiff region. So the rfc had to join the SRC. 
Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff RFC are the first and second team of the same club. 
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"Would people who have supported the Scarlets for 40 years suddenly support the 'West Wales Rams'? I wouldn't.

Would benefeactors and sponsors who have pumped money into Llanelli / Scarlets for decades suddenly be happy to do the same for a WRU owned entity with barely any conection to the Scarlets / Llanelli?

Would such a small player base (around 80 pro players) be a sensible way forward to enable the national team to flourish? We have no diasphoric mercenaries from South Africa like Scotland do for instance).

It looks like a huge gamble that wouldn't pay off"
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Possibly a lot would revert to supporting Llanelli RFC under the suggestion. But the way support is dwindling…new supporters and markets need to be established.

There is a precedent for this, in ASIA and the USA where new teams have been established. Also new teams have been established in women rugby.

The question of benefactors…some may choose to fund the Llanelli RFC team. Hence increased WRU funding will be crucial as well as a correct marketing drive for new sponsors’…A winning team attracts money.

A smaller player base yes…but a better quality one.

But you are right there is a risk. But can we afford to do nothing?

What is your suggestion?

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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:

What is your suggestion?





Nobody agrees with my suggestion so it's no doubt rubbish. I'd go for the Argentina model.

-We'd have the national academy back that nurtures the top 15 or so players. And 3 or 4 pathways like we do currently.
-But our top players would probably play outside Wales. In France or England.
-We'd have a Welsh semi pro league in Wales. Top 10 or so clubs (Llanelli, Ponty, Bridgend, Swansea etc).
So we'd no longer have pro rugby at a domestic level in Wales. But we'd have our clubs back. Our national team would be average, but we still produce quality players, like Argentina do. We'd still be in the 6 nations as WRU are shareholders.
-I guess this would be BBC / S4C broadcast. But away trips every other weekend.

We can't afford professional rugby in Wales. We don't have the resources for the required amount of clubs, and a 2 team model would be a disaster. We are a tier 2 nation and we are acting like a tier 1 nation.
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Actually I think you have some good points and several suggestions I agree with.
The only one I would find deeply saddening, is if it came to pass that we could no longer afford any professional teams in Wales
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Originally posted by skyblue skyblue wrote:

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Actually I think you have some good points and several suggestions I agree with.
The only one I would find deeply saddening, is if it came to pass that we could no longer afford any professional teams in Wales
He’s so good with figures, it makes it easy to see the downside. Add to that the past record of the WRU and it’s easy to be pessimistic. 

With a superb marketing effort and some semblance of efficiency, there is a future
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basically cardiff have messed it up for every one, dullards
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Their coach?
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Their coach?

Good shout
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Yes, for Cardiff Rugby players, administration can be considered a breach of contract, potentially making them free agents. The WRU (Welsh Rugby Union) has taken control of Cardiff Rugby after the club entered administration, a process where the club's legal entity was temporarily placed into administration by its directors. This has led to concerns that players may be able to leave the club for free, as administration is often seen as a breach of contract, according to the WRU CEO Abi Tierney. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Their coach?

Good shout
Have you been drinking sorry record loss at home to England he was built up by Cardiff centric press was bloody useless. 
She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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The 2nd season of downturn abi is really is an even bigger black comedy than the first...whatever next ? Have the wru doubled their debts with tesla shares ? Could they reverse cardiffs fortunes by turning the arms park into a vip ncp car park? Surely it's time for a regional tariff trade war LOL the list of potential disasters is endless....maybe bring back the ghost of dai moffett for the season finale Clap
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff RFC are different entities, connected only by geography and the SRC rules. Which they have already been in bother over this year. The RFC had included (or been given access to) insufficient numbers of regional players to satisfy the SRC rules so suddenly had to play 9 regional academy players in one game. They duly got thrashed.

As to the late application, the original intention in Octber 2023 of Cardiff rfc, Ponty and Merthyr was to not apply. But I think, when sale of the regional was scrutinised by the WRU, they demanded that there was at least one SRC side in the Cardiff region. So the rfc had to join the SRC. 
Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff RFC are the first and second team of the same club. 

That may have been the case up to Helford's takeover of the region but it isn't now, either in terms of ownership or in terms of smooth frictionless cooperation between the two teams. The athletic club are still a major shareholder of Cardiff RFC. If there is some sort of cross over minority ownership then the WRU being a minority shareholder of a SRC club might well be against their own rules.
 


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