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    Posted: 10 October 2005 at 1:43pm

Allegedly there were derogatory statements in the Carmarthen Quins program  v  bedwas on 1st October. Agaiinst Carmarthenshire County Council ,naming Meryl Gravel and Co for bias towards "Llanellishire."Apparently they want the new stadium in the County Town of Carmarthen..

........................................Carmarthen Quins Scarlets does n't quite sound right.Anybody read the article.

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Siting the new stadium in Carmarthen would have nothing to do with the Premiership requirements for proper facilities and CQ looking for an easy fix for their crap ground?????????????
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Hang on a minute here now, the club was not suggesting that the new stadium was built in Carmarthen, the fact that they were trying to make is that, yes we do need a fix to our ground to enable us to fulfil the criteria to remain in the Welsh Premiership. What the comment probably meant was that there are other teams in Carmarthenshire who are in need of help to remain at the level they are currently at.

At the end of the day (and this is my own personal opinion and nothing to do with Carmarthen Quins players or officials) this feeder club issue is not working at all, it didnt last year and it wont until the "Scarlets" are sympathetic to the needs of the feeder team. Why aren't the Scarlets proactive in looking for a solution for our criteria problem? or do they want us in Division One and cream off the best players for their semi pro side - wouldnt surprise me after all its been going on for years.

Even though the Quins are a feeder side for the Scarlets I am afraid that I will not watch them, I rather watch the  Ospreys.

 

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You sound a bitter person....The Ospreys must be delighted with you.

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Originally posted by quinsboy quinsboy wrote:

What the comment probably meant was that there are other teams in Carmarthenshire who are in need of help to remain at the level they are currently at.

At the end of the day (and this is my own personal opinion and nothing to do with Carmarthen Quins players or officials) this feeder club issue is not working at all, it didnt last year and it wont until the "Scarlets" are sympathetic to the needs of the feeder team. Why aren't the Scarlets proactive in looking for a solution for our criteria problem? or do they want us in Division One and cream off the best players for their semi pro side - wouldnt surprise me after all its been going on for years.

Even though the Quins are a feeder side for the Scarlets I am afraid that I will not watch them, I rather watch the  Ospreys.

ROTFLMAO -  Well hello Carmarthen quins, nice to see you back in the top league of Welsh rugby, shame about your ground!!! Maybe you shouldn't have WASTED the money given to you by the WRU on a quick fix in trying to get back in to the prem and instead used it to develop your ground and your youth structure. Isn't this the reason why Moffett stopped the small clubs from wasting the money given to them...

Ah but wait we hear.... we have now become a Feeder club for the new Scarlets REGION, surely it is now up to the Scarlets to develop our ground for us!!! Please Mr Scarlet do this for us as we are your beloved feeder club.......

On your last point.. Please refrain from beeping your horn as you drive past Junction 48 on your way to Junction 45....

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Why should we have to worry about other clubs grounds? The regional setup is about the players isn't it. (please correct me if I'm wrong) It's not our fault that you have a crap ground is it. It's the fault of the staff at the quins.

Have fun watching the ospreys this season.

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in the bedwas v llanelli programme the bedwas chairman stated "I was suprised by the level of animosity that seems to be held by carmarthen about "llanellishire""
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Good point salmidach!!!!!It is well known through Llanelli that the Quins pay the most out of the clubs in the area and some of the figures I have heard are obscene.It would be well be worth the Club and its sponsors injecting some cash into the abysmal facilities that are more like division 5 standard than Premiership quality.Another good point that has been raised in this thread is the expectancy that feeder clubs seem to have on the 'Region' of sorting out their grounds and their problems.The role of the feeder club is to facilitate the growth of the region by developing quality players,they are responsible for their own finances,their own grounds and their own survival.Welsh Rugby got in the state it was in because it gave money out for free to clubs who squandered it,it is now up to the clubs to look after themselves.
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I under estimated the amount of inteligence on this site......some very valid points...Cwmllynfell are putting all their money the players way at the moment..I wonder if the ospreys send some money to develop their ground should they win the First Division or possibly another alternative to ground share with Neath or Swansea RFC.
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Originally posted by quinsboy quinsboy wrote:

Hang on a minute here now, the club was not suggesting that the new stadium was built in Carmarthen, the fact that they were trying to make is that, yes we do need a fix to our ground to enable us to fulfil the criteria to remain in the Welsh Premiership. What the comment probably meant was that there are other teams in Carmarthenshire who are in need of help to remain at the level they are currently at.


At the end of the day (and this is my own personal opinion and nothing to do with Carmarthen Quins players or officials) this feeder club issue is not working at all, it didnt last year and it wont until the "Scarlets" are sympathetic to the needs of the feeder team. Why aren't the Scarlets proactive in looking for a solution for our criteria problem? or do they want us in Division One and cream off the best players for their semi pro side - wouldnt surprise me after all its been going on for years.


Even though the Quins are a feeder side for the Scarlets I am afraid that I will not watch them, I rather watch the  Ospreys.


 


Quins have got know one to blame but themselves, for years they've been paying huge amounts of money on players instead of developing their ground and stand facilities. How much is the likes of Paul Arnold getting paid down there??? He's not there for peanuts i can tell you. You sound very bitter and the ospreys are welcome for your support!
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Originally posted by quinsboy quinsboy wrote:

Hang on a minute here now, the club was not suggesting that the new stadium was built in Carmarthen, the fact that they were trying to make is that, yes we do need a fix to our ground to enable us to fulfil the criteria to remain in the Welsh Premiership. What the comment probably meant was that there are other teams in Carmarthenshire who are in need of help to remain at the level they are currently at.

At the end of the day (and this is my own personal opinion and nothing to do with Carmarthen Quins players or officials) this feeder club issue is not working at all, it didnt last year and it wont until the "Scarlets" are sympathetic to the needs of the feeder team. Why aren't the Scarlets proactive in looking for a solution for our criteria problem? or do they want us in Division One and cream off the best players for their semi pro side - wouldnt surprise me after all its been going on for years.

Even though the Quins are a feeder side for the Scarlets I am afraid that I will not watch them, I rather watch the  Ospreys.

 

good luck to you, enjoy in swansea!

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I do believe Castell Howell foods are throwing a not inconsiderable amount of money in, my mate used to work for them and play for the Quins (or was it Athletic? might have playd for both). Silly money that's being spent on players instead of facilities. That's EXACTLY why some clubs had to sell their clubhouses etc just to survive (Felinfoel/Bynea/Tumble to name 3 local ones) or even fold, due to not thinking about off-field and commercial matters. Just wait for the day the Quins have to sell their club when C'Howell pull the rug out. I could be wrong.

Llaneli is the obvious choice for a stadium anyway, I can accept that some people have a valid argument about it being further West, but geographically and commercially it needs to stay in the same town as the history of the club side that spwaned the regional side.

Are Llanelli RFC independent, self financing and self governing? they should be if we are to make a genuine attempt to be a regional side, no apparant favouritism etc. But the question to ask is, is the county council helping Llanelli RFC along with the Scarlets with regards to the new venue? otherwise shouldn't Llanelli RFC be looking for and financing their own venue? and if the council are including Llanelli RFC in the new development plans, then surely Quins/Dovery would have grounds to say "hold on! let's have some equal treatment here...."

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Everyone has missed the point here. Whatever was written in the programme has been misconstrued by an individual. The comments in the programme are by no means a dig at the Scarlets or a request to bring the Stadium to Carmarthen, at the end of the day like someone mentioned they are the Llanelli Scarlets and being based in Carmarthen would be ridiculous. The point that was trying to be made in the programme, is that the Council seem to be concentrating all their efforts on a new ground for the Scarlets when some assistance should be levied towards the Quins (and Atheltic). The club would love to spend money on upgrading the facilities, we ourselves are the first to admit that they are poor. But what can you do with a ground that is owned and maintained by the Town Council for the benefit of all the residents in Carmarthen.

As for paying players, yes this is the semi professional league and players do get paid, but I know for a fact that we are not paying the highest level of wages, have a look at Narberths wage bill for instance, I bet it is bigger than ours.

With regards a latter point of Castell Howell ploughing money in, I dont think it is as big as what people think, I could be wrong. I think however that our budget for players is the amount that we receive from the WRU and nothing more.

Salmidach there is one huge flaw in your arguement, we do develop players, we have a structure in place from the under age group right up to senior level, and two players that have come through the whole process are now in Regional squads, (again this is where my gripe might lie with the scarlets) and they are not the Scarlet squad, Wayne Evans a scrum half in the Blues squad and Aled Thomas in the Dragons squad, wouldnt it be better if the Llanelli Scarlets had signed these two players and developed them instead of signing an English Scrum half and an American outside half - Great Development for the good of the Welsh game there!!

No6 I read your last point with  interest, is it to be taken then that the Llanelli  RFC side will also play in the new stadium? Interesting point that I suspect we will know the answer to as and when it happens!!

Me bitter? Never!!

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Llanelli RFC have been in existence since 1872......they have developed and evolved through a tremendous history of players and administrators into the Llanelli Scarlets.

Carmarthen Quins have evolved into a Premier Club on a local park,well done to everyone concerned.

As far as deveoplment of players the WRU stopped Llanelli RFC from fielding a Youth xv who along with Pontypridd and Cardiff Youth were the most successful breeding grounds.

Support the Quins/Narberth etc ...if it was not for llanelli RFc who were a standalone club we might all be supporting the Ospreys.

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Originally posted by quinsboy quinsboy wrote:

Salmidach there is one huge flaw in your arguement, we do develop players, we have a structure in place from the under age group right up to senior level, and two players that have come through the whole process are now in Regional squads, (again this is where my gripe might lie with the scarlets) and they are not the Scarlet squad, Wayne Evans a scrum half in the Blues squad and Aled Thomas in the Dragons squad, wouldnt it be better if the Llanelli Scarlets had signed these two players and developed them instead of signing an English Scrum half and an American outside half - Great Development for the good of the Welsh game there!!

I used to be on the same line of thinking as yourself, but would you sacrifice the success of YOUR region for the sake of 2 players, no player is bigger than the club. G Y P P O made a decision to sign the 2 players in question because he thought they would bring immediate success to the region and the region needs to be successful and winning every season, not in 2 to 3 years time but now...

There is a fine line we are talking about, look at the following names, Liam Davies, Ricky Davies, Paul Mackay, Darren Daniel and Gavin Quinell. Just a few names that are regional developed players. To feel bitter because two Quins stars got rejected by the development staff at stradey is petty.....

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I dont feel bitter because two Quins players got rejected. Ask yourself where Ricky Davies was playing last season? Yes thats right Carmarthen Quins
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