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Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?
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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.

And are the rugby players taxed differently to “regular” employees? 

As in, I don’t really see how these corporations are paying an overseas player half a million euros to play for 3-4months a good investment


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Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Jake Ball has just been announced as a signing for a Japanese team. Interesting. Thought he was heading back to Australia. Will be a nice payday for the next few years for sure. Best of luck to him.

The Japanese season is far shorter than the European season so he’ll get to spend a lot more time with his family than if he’d stayed. Living somewhere that’s in the same time zone as Perth will make things more comfortable for him too.  
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Shorter season, same time zone, half the flight time and a less physical game make it much more sensible from a family perspective, plus the extra cash won't do any harm.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mugwuffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2021 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.

And are the rugby players taxed differently to “regular” employees? 

As in, I don’t really see how these corporations are paying an overseas player half a million euros to play for 3-4months a good investment
They must feel that the expenditure helps to grow their brand and will lead to extra income for their core business, just as our sponsors do.
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Japanese players are company employees, so they are amateur in that context. They only get paid a few quid when they play for the national team. Means there’s some funding available for big name foreign national players.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mundoscarlet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2021 at 1:38pm
Tbh it's not half the flight time though is it.i just looked at its 11 hrs London to Tokyo and aus to same is 9.5 hours.so not much difference travel wise
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Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

Tbh it's not half the flight time though is it.i just looked at its 11 hrs London to Tokyo and aus to same is 9.5 hours.so not much difference travel wise

Surely the comparison should be London to Perth against the 9.5 hours? 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

Tbh it's not half the flight time though is it.i just looked at its 11 hrs London to Tokyo and aus to same is 9.5 hours.so not much difference travel wise

Surely the comparison should be London to Perth against the 9.5 hours? 

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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.

And are the rugby players taxed differently to “regular” employees? 

As in, I don’t really see how these corporations are paying an overseas player half a million euros to play for 3-4months a good investment
They must feel that the expenditure helps to grow their brand and will lead to extra income for their core business, just as our sponsors do.

Think you’re right. 

It’s a bit weird but I hope that Japanese rugby continues to grow because of it 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RR1972 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2021 at 4:49pm
What part of  oz is japan in? Best of luck jake but got tp feel he was a bit liberal with the truth for his reasons for leaving. No hard feelings though guy was top player for us

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Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Shorter season, same time zone, half the flight time and a less physical game make it much more sensible from a family perspective, plus the extra cash won't do any harm.
perth to tokyo is 13 hours flight according to the interweb
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

What part of  oz is japan in? Best of luck jake but got tp feel he was a bit liberal with the truth for his reasons for leaving. No hard feelings though guy was top player for us
He never said he was going to retire or play for Western Force. Playing in Japan will allow him to spend several months more with his family in Perth than if he’d stayed. The time zone is pretty much the same too which will make it easier for him to communicate with them while he’s away. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mugwuffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 September 2021 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Shorter season, same time zone, half the flight time and a less physical game make it much more sensible from a family perspective, plus the extra cash won't do any harm.
perth to tokyo is 13 hours flight according to the interweb
It’s a 6 hour flight from Australia’s other major cities. Perth is thousands of miles from anywhere. 
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Shorter season, same time zone, half the flight time and a less physical game make it much more sensible from a family perspective, plus the extra cash won't do any harm.
perth to tokyo is 13 hours flight according to the interweb

It’s a 6 hour flight from Australia’s other major cities. Perth is thousands of miles from anywhere. 
 

I flew from Melbourne to Perth once on business and back ! The plane was nicknamed “ The red eyed special “ , with good cause. Add on the time differences as well. I was knackered by time I got back home to Melbourne ! 😂 Re Jake I did initially feel a bit disappointed with the Japan move but then thought it probably was unexpected and he has given us 9 years of his career and never let us down. Pob lwc Jake 
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