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Originally posted by ursamajor ursamajor wrote:

Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

The rise of fundamentalist-associated terrorism is on
the increase and something pretty unique to Islam, especially in the
last 10 years or so.


Not true,and you need to go beyond the last ten years to put this in
some kind of context.
Western governments have always put political expediancy above all
else. Back in 1985 Reagan, was happy to destabilise Soviet control in
Afghanistan, supplying military hardware and intelligence to the
Mujahideen, hence the abundance of Sidewinder missiles etc in the
region to this day. I might add he was ably supported in his Jihad by
our very own Mrs Thatcher.

TerrorInUSA/Anatomy.asp">http://www.globalissues.org/Geopoli
tics/
MiddleEast/TerrorInUSA/Anatomy.asp

2241_mujahideen_control.html">http://www.larouchepub.com/oth
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1995/2241_mujahideen_control.html

As for the exclusivity of Islamic terrorism, there are plenty of
examples to the contrary

">Sikh extremists occupied the Golden Temple in Amritsar in May
1984,

HinduTerroristsinGujaratALetterFromIndia.htm">Hindu Terrorists in
Gujarat


Serb
massacre of some 7,000 Muslims at Srebrenica



">Massacre of some 1,000 Palestinian refugees by Christian militiamen .Sabra and Shatila on September 16, 1982.



Thanks Ursa - didn't have time to find all that xxx
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Ursa - fair play for digging those examples up - but look at the last ten years or a growth rate in religion-motivated attrocities and Islam will be at the top. Even that Arab TV station accepted as much last week.

If you can find the link, there was a superb column by Melanie Phillips in the Daily Mail yesterday. Very interesting.
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Daily Mail - NUFF SAID MIKEY!
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Originally posted by Chesswithdeath Chesswithdeath wrote:

Daily Mail - NUFF SAID MIKEY!

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I dont bother with the press, rather settle down with a good Barbara Cartland!
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Islam? im not sure if islam frightens me, its a religion, which sadly, happens to have followers who are terrorists. Christianity in britain also  has some pshycos who are on the level of the terrorists. However i do agree that these people and their beliefs are frightening, more and more innocent targets are being hit and who says we wont be next? most of this is down to the war, people wanting to avenge whast happened in their countries etc.. bush and blair went to war to make the world a safer palce- can any one really say they feel safer now?

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I agree - it's not safer now. Although, I'm not sure you can pin 9/11 on the Iraq war, mind.
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bush went to war because he was looking for an excuse to do so, the same as his daddy and the same as another right wing warmonger, reagan. He used 9/11 as an excuse for a conflict and to cover up his own glaring inadequacies and failing confidence from the American public. Blair went along because he doesn't have the courage or decency to listen to the people who put him in power. "Jump Tony!", "how high mr bush sir!".

The world would have been a safer place if Saddam had been finished off in the first place, but why wasn't he? economic connections with the yanks? usa told to lay off by the Saudis? The world would be a safer place without bush, his daddy, and the corporate multi nationals that fund the usa's constant search for conflict throughout the world.

The world will be safer when bush gets voted out.Blair will then run to kerry and say "I didn't like him really, can I be in your gang now?"
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thats definataly it. 9/11 was a convient excuse. i don think the world will get safer when bush gets voted out. i cant see the world ever becoming any safer, and thats terrifying. terror groups have seen how easy it is to launch these attacks and with no REAL effort being made to stop them they'll just carry on. my children, your children and theirs will live in a world with more anger, violence and leaders like bush- theres no hope for them
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oh look the austrailian embassy in jakarta has just been bombed.... just proves what im saying, the world is a scary place. thats an understatment
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No doubt I'll get a fatwa for saying this, but.................

Should a politician or member of any organised group or society make an outrageous statement then the other members are always quick to distance themselves from the comments.

Yet, certain religious leaders in this country speak in the name of Islam, and glorify acts of terrorism such as suicide bombing as fair game as the murder of infadels propel the individual to eternal paradise (as if murder of any human being could be justified, especially not in the name of a fair and loving deity). Unfortunately, the condemnation of these individuals by the muslim community of the UK is not loud enough - indeed, it is scarcely a whisper. That's what scares me.

If the majority of the law abiding islamic community of the United Kingdom find these preachings made in thier name so offensive and unrepresentative, then please speak up LOUDLY.
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Originally posted by A.R. A.R. wrote:

No doubt I'll get a fatwa for saying this,
but.................


Should a politician or member of any organised group or society
make an outrageous statement then the other members are always
quick to distance themselves from the comments.


Yet, certain religious leaders in this country speak in the name of
Islam, and glorify acts of terrorism such as suicide bombing as fair
game as the murder of infadels propel the individual to eternal
paradise (as if murder of any human being could be justified,
especially not in the name of a fair and loving deity). Unfortunately,
the condemnation of these individuals by the muslim community of
the UK is not loud enough - indeed, it is scarcely a whisper. That's
what scares me.


If the majority of the law abiding islamic community of the United
Kingdom find these preachings made in thier name so offensive and
unrepresentative, then please speak up LOUDLY.



I agree that acts of terrorism should be condemned. I don't agree
that it is not loud enough.


Responses to
9/11

article=1062">British Muslims condemn terrorism..

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Trouble is Ursa, your link is to the Muslim news, not a site/publication regularly read by the "British" public. It is also the fault of the British media for not publicising the condemnations to a wider, more "mainstream" audience, thus ensuring the majority of people are aware that such a condemnation has taken place. Then we might not have incidents such as the apparant racist murder of an Iraqi that took place in Swansea this week.

Perhaps our "great" British press would prefer to make little or no references to such articles as the one you have a link to, prefering instead to leave things stir up a bit. After all, death, violence and fear sell more copies than people standing united and condemning. Do the press/government actually want to publicse the condemning? or can't they stand the thought of a united, multi cultural society........  
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Condemnation of 9/11 is one thing. I don't hear any condemation of Abu Hamza or that other Radical Cleric who said last week that schools were fair game.

Just take Anne Robinson's anti-Welsh comments. These are not even in the fourth division when it comes to racisit comments, but they were roundly condemned.
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