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ursamajor
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 12:21pm |
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Abu Hamza's following in the UK is miniscule, his beliefs are roundly condemned within the vast majority of British mosques.
True. But only in Wales. Plenty of First Division racism to worry about on owr own doorstep. Murder of Kalan Kawa Karim http:// news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/ Edited by ursamajor |
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Jerry Dammers
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 12:40pm |
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link not working Ursa, presume it's the Iraqi killed in Swansea? are the press calling it racist and stirring things up just because he's an Iraqi? I happen to think It is racially motivated, but until they catch someone we have to stick with assumptions. If so I can probably assume that whoever did it used the "terrorist" excuse to justify a dose of old fashioned British bigotry. Same happened last year in Llanelli, someone got assaulted on their way to the Mosque in Station Road, and that was blatant racisim as they shouted abuse at him while they did him over, seem to recall they used the . Didn't even know there was a mosque in Llanelli until then. An example of a town that is culturally and ethnically unaware? Whilst not in the same league as Swansea, who have a well documented problem with racism (memorable chants of "you're owned by a Paki" from the North Bank aimed at Cardiff fans a few years ago, as well as monkey noises for visiting players,It did happen, I was there at the time), Llanelli does have the bonehead element who like to cause grief. You can see it every weekend in the take aways etc.If they don't like the guys, then don't buy your food there you morons..... Where was I going with this post? |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 1:45pm |
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Sorry Ursa, but we are not talking racism here, we are talking fundamentalism - which is a completely different league. Do you honestly think that Palestinian Hamas are blowing themselves up in the name of racism? As for Abu Hamsa's following, you have just agreed totally with my point. His following is relatively small, and therefore there should be large condemnation from the islamic community - but there isn't, presumably because they are told what to do and say by the Imam. If you stay silent then it looks as if you don't disagree. Anyway, thanks for the debate. |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 3:30pm |
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That is a frankly insane comment, mate. I'm sure you don't really believe it...I hope you don't... |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 4:00pm |
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A Mosque in Llanelli! I am surprised. That is another thing that concerns me, Mosques seem to be getting built now in towns which are relatively homogenous communities. There was one opened in Rhyl not so long back - a mosque in a north wales seaside town where the only non-welsh people to move there are scousers. I'm not racist but I'm glad that we haven't had one built in Wrexham. The council would be reluctant to allow for it following last year's troubles which showed that we have a higher than average number of idiots whose aim in life is to cause trouble and pick fights as there's nothing else to do. Also local councillors know that their seats are more vulnerable than what they used to be
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A.R.
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 4:02pm |
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There are some excellent views here. A good debate. I can only speak from what I read in the proper press (not the Mail or Express!! Talk about inciting the BNP), by visitng muslim countries and talking to people who have a far better understanding of this issue than I have. I know the Imam of a mosque in Cardiff and am very friendly with an Iraqi who actually fought against us in the original Gulf War (fight or be shot). Their stories are amazing. Anyone with an interest in this should listen to the BBC's Jeremy Bowen talk about the 6 day war between Israel and Palestine. I heard him at the Hay festival earlier this year. |
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Jerry Dammers
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 4:34pm |
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That is a frankly insane comment, mate. I'm sure you don't really believe it...I hope you don't... [/QUOTE] What? about the press or government? two page spread in one of the Sunday papers, dwelling on someone glorifying and congratulating the people responsible for 9/11, on the day a memorial was held at ground zero. Hardly any mention of the ceremony, no mention at all of any condemnations of the attack or the commentss. Tell a lie, there was one and a half lines. A united community does not sell papers. hate and stirring it up does. There'll be more race attacks after that story, mark my words. I'm sure the press and government want another war or at least some riots, sound like another Western power? perish the thought............. |
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ursamajor
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 5:17pm |
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The original topic was 'Does Islam frighten you?' not 'does 'fundamentalism frighten you?' Islam doesn't frighten me, but I abhor any form of fundamentalism, political or otherwise. However the extent to which fundamentalism permeates British muslim society is hugely exaggerated by those who do not understand, or wish to understand, the true make up of multicultural Britain. In this respect racism and fundamentalism are inexorably linked. |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 6:04pm |
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Good thing about these debates is that they never finish up as they started! As an example though, how would you define or give an example of a multicultural community? I don't think we live in a particularly multicultural town myself, or do we? do take aways and restaurants make us one? or do we need more arts/music type of events to ensure a free mix of styles and education? The Specials first made me aware of social/race issues etc, going off the subject and rambling now, two long shifts and a need for a pint getting to me now........ |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 6:44pm |
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my missus frightens me,does that mean she is a fundamentalist?
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Posted: 13 September 2004 at 12:36am |
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you frightened me Friday, your capacity for apples knows no limits!
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rich jones
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Posted: 15 September 2004 at 10:57am |
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all religions have there nutcases who terrorise others but islam is the most published because of 9/11
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Posted: 15 September 2004 at 10:59am |
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yes it is richard u learned that in RE
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Posted: 15 September 2004 at 11:00am |
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do, you understand islam mike??
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rich jones
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Posted: 15 September 2004 at 11:03am |
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no i didnt, i woz told that islam woz amazing and all other religions were evil. |
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