Donald ( Do a Deal) Trump

tbh after covid china should have faced  financial exile on a record scale, they caused 100 times more damage than anything trunp has done. their human rights record is shocking to they seem to a get free pass for some bizarre reason. personally id put a 1000 per cent tariff on them , not like they import much of us.   china are as dangerous as they come worse than putin for me

Edited by RR1972 - 13 February 2025 at 8:04pm

RR1972 wrote: tbh after covid china should have faced  financial exile on a record scale, they caused 100 times more damage than anything trunp has done. their human rights record is shocking to they seem to a get free pass for some bizarre reason. personally id put a 1000 per cent tariff on them , not like they import much of us.   china are as dangerous as they come worse than putin for me

The truth is the Chinese are very savvy in how to 'navigate' the legislative controls at most Western countries borders, and can easily 'manage' countries (Africa in particular) where 'influenced' outcomes can apply.

Shein is a great example. They have a direct to customer model that has seen them become the biggest apparel retailer in the world...no shops...no regional offices...just cheap goods sold on line shipped directly from China and with the values falling below the 'de minimis' import tariffs that most countries have (including the EU, UK and US) - in essence trading duty and tariff free.
Most companies have a range of 10-12,000 apparel items for sale ( the likes of H&M etc)., Shein has 550,000.

It is a totally opaque entity, you will struggle to find who actually owns them, you have no chance of finding their manufacturing platform (all in China), and certainly no internationally recognised accreditation is applied.
By not allowing access to any such entity, China hides behind the 'you have no proof of any violations' position.

On this last point, my last company was the global apparel business PVH (parent company of Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger) -they have just been tagged by China as an 'unreliable entity' a. couple of weeks ago.

This because they followed US legislation forbidding them and all other brands to purchase cotton from the Xinjian province ( which produces about 15% of the world's cotton) due to forced labour allegations on the minority Muslim Uyghur population.

A claim China vehemently denies, and to prove a point singled out PVH for this action. PVH has some 16% of its revenue from stores in China. The Chinese people follow the governments directive and will certainly stop shopping at these stores.



Edited by Wil Chips - 14 February 2025 at 7:00am

my learned friend mr chips underlines just how nefarious the chinese are in a business sense.  in fairness  you have to aay it’s brilliant from them they have managed to obtain so much global power and influence without firing a single bullet. 

RR1972 wrote: lofty evans wrote: Wil Chips wrote: I work closely in Africa with US Aid, multiple projects from HIV clinics to buying machinery for American investors in the region. Plug was pulled 2 weeks ago on all current and future projects, staff told to pack up. As a donor the US Aid project due diligence sets the bar for others. There's no easy money, and the bit that everyone misses is most of their grant funding is recoverable over 3-5 years. 45,000 direct job losses in Kenya, with multiple projects left high and dry with a funding deficit. The rhetoric around funding the Muppets in Iraq or some such is just a fabrication to meet the agenda by Musk and Trump. They don't like it, so they got rid. Whether they have the right to do that remains to be seen.. US Aid do some amazing work, and their exit just rolls out the carpet for Russia and particularly China, and leaves the humanitarian space in Africa in total chaos. Trump has moved on from treating countries like corporates to a new game, which looks something like shag, marry, cliff. The issue looming on the horizon for me, is the potential for a constitutional crisis in the US...judges intervening and ruling against a Trump executive order etc is a real test of said constitution. A narcissist doesn't do well with rejection. The numpties who believe he is the greatest ever will find out when the economy crashes. Medicare etc all disappearing and Trump will take it away from individuals who actually voted for him, including the white belt in the South.  His relationship with Putin where Putin owns him with the amount of dirt he has on him is repulsive.  When the dozy Americans are actually hit hard in the pocket they will wake up, Trump cares about no one....absolutely no one except his masters. America is seriously going to be screwed over. And Europe should tell him to get stuffed and use European countries to help and defend Ukraine,   Trump is Chamberlain.  yeah lets send boots on the ground  against russian soldiers what could go wrong

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lofty evans wrote: RR1972 wrote: lofty evans wrote: Wil Chips wrote: I work closely in Africa with US Aid, multiple projects from HIV clinics to buying machinery for American investors in the region. Plug was pulled 2 weeks ago on all current and future projects, staff told to pack up. As a donor the US Aid project due diligence sets the bar for others. There's no easy money, and the bit that everyone misses is most of their grant funding is recoverable over 3-5 years. 45,000 direct job losses in Kenya, with multiple projects left high and dry with a funding deficit. The rhetoric around funding the Muppets in Iraq or some such is just a fabrication to meet the agenda by Musk and Trump. They don't like it, so they got rid. Whether they have the right to do that remains to be seen.. US Aid do some amazing work, and their exit just rolls out the carpet for Russia and particularly China, and leaves the humanitarian space in Africa in total chaos. Trump has moved on from treating countries like corporates to a new game, which looks something like shag, marry, cliff. The issue looming on the horizon for me, is the potential for a constitutional crisis in the US...judges intervening and ruling against a Trump executive order etc is a real test of said constitution. A narcissist doesn't do well with rejection. The numpties who believe he is the greatest ever will find out when the economy crashes. Medicare etc all disappearing and Trump will take it away from individuals who actually voted for him, including the white belt in the South.  His relationship with Putin where Putin owns him with the amount of dirt he has on him is repulsive.  When the dozy Americans are actually hit hard in the pocket they will wake up, Trump cares about no one....absolutely no one except his masters. America is seriously going to be screwed over. And Europe should tell him to get stuffed and use European countries to help and defend Ukraine,   Trump is Chamberlain.  yeah lets send boots on the ground  against russian soldiers what could go wrong The Russians are not the West have believed they are. The reports of 95,000 Russian dead is conservative compared to the Ukrainian estimate of 750,000. The North Koreans are being decimated and the Russians/ Koreans are losing  1,500 daily. They are just throwing soldiers into conflict. The Ukrainians are superb fighters, the Cossack mentality still persists. The Ukrainians were the best soldiers of the WW2 Russians.  Do not forget most Army analysts said Kiev would fall in 3 days, 3 years later still vastly out numbered they are still holding their own. Being afraid of Putin is how this conflict has been dragged out, in other respects the World of War has been changed immeasurably by drones and drones and drones. I know one regiment in the UK are on high alert as they have become specialists in drones warfare.   No one thought a drone could take out a 62 tonne tank, and the Ukrainians are probably now the most up to date formidable fighting Army on planet, outnumbered,  out gunned, their nuclear arsenal removed years before. I'd give them nukes and stuff Putin.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last"

GPR - Rochester wrote: Trump's ego followed by the swift opening of his mouth has led to this ridiculous situation. When staying strong in support of Ukraine was starting to turn the screw - not on the battlefield but in everyday life in Russia he throws away a carefully concerted NATO response with one liners so that his southern rednecks can sing & dance to his tune.