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The vet put my Springer on metacam for her arthritis but with she didn't really get on with it so I now give her joint tablets and hemp oil every day. Not suggesting you take him off the metacam but the tablets and oil have made a diference.

Thank you very much. What we have learnt from our research is that every dog's case is different. Some respond well to metacam others don't such as your little girl. Hemp oil is interesting. Brenin is on Omega 3 supplement at the moment.

Milla's on flexi-joint plus and high strength hemp oil both have Omega oils in them. I have know idea if it's only one thing that works but she doesn't seem to have got any worse in the last 3/4yrs she has been on them. She has slowed down but she is 15 in June (fingers crossed) but continues to jump on her hind legs when food is about.

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You can buy you move tablets on the web , but I've found out that the version you get from the vets is far better ...Yes the vets are more expensive but if they get the desired results , well cash doesn't matter

On a side note , my mother is 87 and has terrible athritis, she takes yu move tablets too ...The vet says there is no reason why they can't help ...she still has bad days but she also gets good days , and my mother claims that her hair is in the best condition it has been for years Big smile


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The vet put my Springer on metacam for her arthritis but with she didn't really get on with it so I now give her joint tablets and hemp oil every day. Not suggesting you take him off the metacam but the tablets and oil have made a diference.

Thank you very much. What we have learnt from our research is that every dog's case is different. Some respond well to metacam others don't such as your little girl. Hemp oil is interesting. Brenin is on Omega 3 supplement at the moment.

Milla's on flexi-joint plus and high strength hemp oil both have Omega oils in them. I have know idea if it's only one thing that works but she doesn't seem to have got any worse in the last 3/4yrs she has been on them. She has slowed down but she is 15 in June (fingers crossed) but continues to jump on her hind legs when food is about.

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Scarlet O'Hara - I thought of you when I was told of this latest treatment. Long term pain management is pretty key to dealing with arthritis and therefore any potential side effects are crucial. Our vet in Lampeter now uses a monthly injection called Librela which is an antibody which attaches itself to the nerve endings & fights pain accordingly. She has had excellent results and side effects are minimum. 
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Excellent news, GPR.

It’s also underlining the unintended consequences of a fans forum - spreading useful info on subjects well away from rugby.

I’m looking forward to the threads on accounting and HR, both for the beginner and up.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Excellent news, GPR.

It’s also underlining the unintended consequences of a fans forum - spreading useful info on subjects well away from rugby.

I’m looking forward to the threads on accounting and HR, both for the beginner and up.

I can suggest someone who would be right up for giving advice on both & he has currently got some time on his hands - how about Steve Phillips, ex CEO of the WRU. Ouch

On the subject of unintended consequences - there is a font of knowledge waiting to be tapped into on this forum & it is hugely uplifting to tap into it from extensive knowledge of wines to canine pain relief & the corruption which is the WRU. Happy days.LOL
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

The vet put my Springer on metacam for her arthritis but with she didn't really get on with it so I now give her joint tablets and hemp oil every day. Not suggesting you take him off the metacam but the tablets and oil have made a diference.

Thank you very much. What we have learnt from our research is that every dog's case is different. Some respond well to metacam others don't such as your little girl. Hemp oil is interesting. Brenin is on Omega 3 supplement at the moment.

Milla's on flexi-joint plus and high strength hemp oil both have Omega oils in them. I have know idea if it's only one thing that works but she doesn't seem to have got any worse in the last 3/4yrs she has been on them. She has slowed down but she is 15 in June (fingers crossed) but continues to jump on her hind legs when food is about.

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Scarlet O'Hara - I thought of you when I was told of this latest treatment. Long term pain management is pretty key to dealing with arthritis and therefore any potential side effects are crucial. Our vet in Lampeter now uses a monthly injection called Librela which is an antibody which attaches itself to the nerve endings & fights pain accordingly. She has had excellent results and side effects are minimum. 

Thanks for that, I had asked the vets before about alternatives but was only offered variations of metacam. 
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Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

The vet put my Springer on metacam for her arthritis but with she didn't really get on with it so I now give her joint tablets and hemp oil every day. Not suggesting you take him off the metacam but the tablets and oil have made a diference.

Thank you very much. What we have learnt from our research is that every dog's case is different. Some respond well to metacam others don't such as your little girl. Hemp oil is interesting. Brenin is on Omega 3 supplement at the moment.

Milla's on flexi-joint plus and high strength hemp oil both have Omega oils in them. I have know idea if it's only one thing that works but she doesn't seem to have got any worse in the last 3/4yrs she has been on them. She has slowed down but she is 15 in June (fingers crossed) but continues to jump on her hind legs when food is about.

Thank you again.Thumbs Up

Scarlet O'Hara - I thought of you when I was told of this latest treatment. Long term pain management is pretty key to dealing with arthritis and therefore any potential side effects are crucial. Our vet in Lampeter now uses a monthly injection called Librela which is an antibody which attaches itself to the nerve endings & fights pain accordingly. She has had excellent results and side effects are minimum. 

Thanks for that, I had asked the vets before about alternatives but was only offered variations of metacam. 
there isn’t any excuse for hip or elbow dysplasia. Irresponsible breeding and people not doing their research.. everything thinks it’s ok to buy your dog from Tommy down the street. 
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Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
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Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 
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No these prople were not that type , i know they looked for ages for the right puppy ...There are allways bad breeders but you can check out the good ones by going to the kennel club or RSPCA and follow links ...btw 4k is not excessive for a well liked breed but there are no guarantees...im surprised with your obvious cananine knowledge,  you didnt know that ..strange
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

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Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…
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Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…

Thanks for the clarification. I cannot disagree with your comments regarding health checks on potential breeding animals. Responsible breeders should make it a huge selling point that an independent vet can supply breeder health certificates. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Llanelli1963 Llanelli1963 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Paying lots of money doesn't guarantee a fit and healthy dog ...I know of a couple who paid 4k for a golden retriever and it was medication by the age of 4....Also in reply to cheap dogs , you don't often see it any more as most people know they can get 700 pound for most breeds , but again the breeding parents are so important 
they paid 4k because they was ripped off hence the not doing your research. The golden was probably bought from up west.. puppy farms galore preying on idiotic people who fall for the lies and all they see is a fluffy puppy 

You make some sweeping generalisations I have to say. For sure many people are conned buying puppies from dodgy sources but if your comment was aimed at me I would ask you this - how do you know? We bought our field springer from a long established breeder. His grandfather & father were field champions - all facts checked by us through the kennel club.

To establish whether any dog has displasia would take an x- ray and add another £600-£700 to the bill. Good luck with trying to pass that cost on to the breeder. 
it wasn’t aimed at anyone. Field Champions or not makes no difference just because I dog done well in it’s sport doesn’t mean it’s health is perfect.. dam and sire should always be health tested. Hips elbows everything. If they’re not at a good standard they shouldn’t be bred from it’s that simple. If it’s done correctly hip dysplasia and elbow just doesn’t happen. There is so many people out there selling inadequate bred puppies it’s disgusting. Even some of the top show people and working dogs people do it. More so with the working trials people. I.e like you said his father was a field champion so obviously his working ability was very good. So they would overlook other issues with his health just to carry on that working ability…

Thanks for the clarification. I cannot disagree with your comments regarding health checks on potential breeding animals. Responsible breeders should make it a huge selling point that an independent vet can supply breeder health certificates. 
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To type the sire or dams name in the kennel club site and it will come up what health tests they have had. With hips you always want to be looking at dogs well below the average score. And remember just because there parents won a few things doesn’t mean they’re good well bred dogs 👏
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Unfortunately it still is a lottery even if the parents are strong and well ....but I suppose you research and that is the only mitigating factors you can use 
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Unfortunately it still is a lottery even if the parents are strong and well ....but I suppose you research and that is the only mitigating factors you can use 
it’s not a lottery mate. Actually you maybe be right since it’s 45 millions to one chance of winning the lotto. 👆
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