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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2023 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The major downside of ITV coverage , is having Dallaglio and Woodward in the studio, particularly , when England are playing.
Luckily, I can dive into the kitchen during the break, to make a cuppa, and therefore avoid them LOL


the whole punditry and commentary team waS yet again all english , they were even more boring than this kickathon
Think it was all english for france v all blacks too 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The major downside of ITV coverage , is having Dallaglio and Woodward in the studio, particularly , when England are playing.
Luckily, I can dive into the kitchen during the break, to make a cuppa, and therefore avoid them LOL


the whole punditry and commentary team waS yet again all english , they were even more boring than this kickathon
Think it was all english for france v all blacks too 
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Just reading this post and below it is a sponsored link advertising season tickets for the parasites over the bridge!!??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2023 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The major downside of ITV coverage , is having Dallaglio and Woodward in the studio, particularly , when England are playing.
Luckily, I can dive into the kitchen during the break, to make a cuppa, and therefore avoid them LOL


the whole punditry and commentary team waS yet again all english , they were even more boring than this kickathon
Think it was all english for france v all blacks too 
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Just reading this post and below it is a sponsored link advertising season tickets for the parasites over the bridge!!??

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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Rob Hunt Rob Hunt wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The major downside of ITV coverage , is having Dallaglio and Woodward in the studio, particularly , when England are playing.
Luckily, I can dive into the kitchen during the break, to make a cuppa, and therefore avoid them LOL


the whole punditry and commentary team waS yet again all english , they were even more boring than this kickathon
Think it was all english for france v all blacks too 
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Just reading this post and below it is a sponsored link advertising season tickets for the parasites over the bridge!!??

Tailored to your browsing habits. 
 

I’m more focused on the photos that “pop up” on SF which suggests a good deal of browsing interest by members in ladies clothing often of skimpy design! 😉 Any Eddie Izzards in the group perhaps or Grayson Perry’s ? 😉


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That’s probably my fault. At work my premier products were Calvin Klein, Victoria Secrets and Tommy Hilfiger lingerie. Sorry.
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https://vk.com/rugbyonsofa are using the Stan Sports coverage, much better than ITV. Gareth Rees is excellent as a pundit and Schalk Brits gives proper insight into the scrums.


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I saw little of this game, once I knew England had won by no tries to none. 

I do, however, have a major beef with the English media, who seem to be running a 'Curry was innocent - OK' sort of campaign. This is a total joke. Let's go through it one step at a time, for clarity:

1. Were they both competing for the ball? No - Mallia caught it, Curry came in to tackle.

2. Is Mallia much taller than Curry? No - Mallia 1.82m and Curry taller at 1.85m

3. Did Curry pause to check the head-height of Mallia before the hit? No.

4. Was there head-to-head contact? Yes.

5. Was Mallia injured in the collision? Yes!

6. Is there any mitigation in these circumstances? No. 

I have no idea why these clueless journos and so-called 'fans' are trying to claim that he should not have been red carded. Did he mean harm? I very much doubt it - but that's not the point, is it? It was reckless, for sure. Their argument seems to be that others 'got away' with similar challenges. My answer to that - they should spend time arguing that those others should have been red carded too, rather than that Curry was harshly treated.

Even some former England internationals agree - and I'm a bit surprised by their identity, TBH:

Chris Ashton (never my favourite) said: 
it is no longer "worth the risk" to tackle high in order to make "the perfect hit".

Looking at the specifics of Curry's dismissal, Ashton said: "Because Juan Cruz Mallia is coming down from so high, he has tried to time it perfectly. He is running the risk and it is a fine line these days.

"The game has changed and it is not worth the risk in order to time a perfect hit, when you can just let the player hit the floor and hit him lower."

And well-known clown Matt Dawson wrote:

It's very much an individual mindset, shown by that incident where both Elliot Daly and Tom Curry have gone in to smash Juan Cruz Mallia.

Daly has got it spot on and is bent over, hinged at the hips and sinking low, so even if Mallia catches the ball and goes into a position where the winger hits him in the head there is mitigation because of the position he is in.

That probably doesn't help Curry's case, because the television match official is seeing one England player get it right and one who hasn't. His body is not hinged enough, therefore he is never going to get low enough and by the letter of the law that is a red card.

If even two dyed in the wool wearers of the Union Jack feel that the red was a correct decision, what sort of people are these on social media who argue otherwise? Career head-hunters?
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I saw little of this game, once I knew England had won by no tries to none. 

I do, however, have a major beef with the English media, who seem to be running a 'Curry was innocent - OK' sort of campaign. This is a total joke. Let's go through it one step at a time, for clarity:

1. Were they both competing for the ball? No - Mallia caught it, Curry came in to tackle.

2. Is Mallia much taller than Curry? No - Mallia 1.82m and Curry taller at 1.85m

3. Did Curry pause to check the head-height of Mallia before the hit? No.

4. Was there head-to-head contact? Yes.

5. Was Mallia injured in the collision? Yes!

6. Is there any mitigation in these circumstances? No. 

I have no idea why these clueless journos and so-called 'fans' are trying to claim that he should not have been red carded. Did he mean harm? I very much doubt it - but that's not the point, is it? It was reckless, for sure. Their argument seems to be that others 'got away' with similar challenges. My answer to that - they should spend time arguing that those others should have been red carded too, rather than that Curry was harshly treated.

Even some former England internationals agree - and I'm a bit surprised by their identity, TBH:

Chris Ashton (never my favourite) said: 
it is no longer "worth the risk" to tackle high in order to make "the perfect hit".

Looking at the specifics of Curry's dismissal, Ashton said: "Because Juan Cruz Mallia is coming down from so high, he has tried to time it perfectly. He is running the risk and it is a fine line these days.

"The game has changed and it is not worth the risk in order to time a perfect hit, when you can just let the player hit the floor and hit him lower."

And well-known clown Matt Dawson wrote:

It's very much an individual mindset, shown by that incident where both Elliot Daly and Tom Curry have gone in to smash Juan Cruz Mallia.

Daly has got it spot on and is bent over, hinged at the hips and sinking low, so even if Mallia catches the ball and goes into a position where the winger hits him in the head there is mitigation because of the position he is in.

That probably doesn't help Curry's case, because the television match official is seeing one England player get it right and one who hasn't. His body is not hinged enough, therefore he is never going to get low enough and by the letter of the law that is a red card.

If even two dyed in the wool wearers of the Union Jack feel that the red was a correct decision, what sort of people are these on social media who argue otherwise? Career head-hunters?

3 who argued against a red were in the studio, Dallaglio, Woodward and Wilkinson.

They all seemed to suggest that Mallia was at fault as he had lowered his height. Mallia did come down from height, but didn't 'dip' after his feet hit the ground. My thoughts were that Curry came in at head height, so therefore he was at fault. I thought that it was a red, I also thought that Kriel's tackle on Dempsey was a red.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I saw little of this game, once I knew England had won by no tries to none. 

I do, however, have a major beef with the English media, who seem to be running a 'Curry was innocent - OK' sort of campaign. This is a total joke. Let's go through it one step at a time, for clarity:

1. Were they both competing for the ball? No - Mallia caught it, Curry came in to tackle.

2. Is Mallia much taller than Curry? No - Mallia 1.82m and Curry taller at 1.85m

3. Did Curry pause to check the head-height of Mallia before the hit? No.

4. Was there head-to-head contact? Yes.

5. Was Mallia injured in the collision? Yes!

6. Is there any mitigation in these circumstances? No. 

I have no idea why these clueless journos and so-called 'fans' are trying to claim that he should not have been red carded. Did he mean harm? I very much doubt it - but that's not the point, is it? It was reckless, for sure. Their argument seems to be that others 'got away' with similar challenges. My answer to that - they should spend time arguing that those others should have been red carded too, rather than that Curry was harshly treated.

Even some former England internationals agree - and I'm a bit surprised by their identity, TBH:

Chris Ashton (never my favourite) said: 
it is no longer "worth the risk" to tackle high in order to make "the perfect hit".

Looking at the specifics of Curry's dismissal, Ashton said: "Because Juan Cruz Mallia is coming down from so high, he has tried to time it perfectly. He is running the risk and it is a fine line these days.

"The game has changed and it is not worth the risk in order to time a perfect hit, when you can just let the player hit the floor and hit him lower."

And well-known clown Matt Dawson wrote:

It's very much an individual mindset, shown by that incident where both Elliot Daly and Tom Curry have gone in to smash Juan Cruz Mallia.

Daly has got it spot on and is bent over, hinged at the hips and sinking low, so even if Mallia catches the ball and goes into a position where the winger hits him in the head there is mitigation because of the position he is in.

That probably doesn't help Curry's case, because the television match official is seeing one England player get it right and one who hasn't. His body is not hinged enough, therefore he is never going to get low enough and by the letter of the law that is a red card.

If even two dyed in the wool wearers of the Union Jack feel that the red was a correct decision, what sort of people are these on social media who argue otherwise? Career head-hunters?

3 who argued against a red were in the studio, Dallaglio, Woodward and Wilkinson.

They all seemed to suggest that Mallia was at fault as he had lowered his height. Mallia did come down from height, but didn't 'dip' after his feet hit the ground. My thoughts were that Curry came in at head height, so therefore he was at fault. I thought that it was a red, I also thought that Kriel's tackle on Dempsey was a red.

It should be obvious to even a one-eyed idiot that if you run into someone of the same height as yourself without bending at the waist, a head collision is inevitable! You can hardly blame the guy who jumped and caught the ball either - he's not looking down but up. 

What. A. Bunch. Of. Clowns!
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