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Scrupilously applied by the ref last night...watching Owens reffing Aus v SA now he is a little more balanced...

One thing though, a couple of times Pienaar has actually kicked the ball from the back foot back deeper in to the ruck (presumably to buy time for the next play to be set)...so my question is does the 5 second rule only apply if the ball is presented at the back foot to the SH (or whoever is at the foot of the ruck)?



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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Scrupliously applied by the ref last night...watchign Owens reffing Aus v SA now he is more balanced...

One thing though, a couple of times Pienaar has actually kicked the ball from the back foot back deeper in to the ruck (presumably to buy time for the next play to be set)...so my question is does the 5 second rule only apply of the ball is presented at the back foot to the SH (or whoever is at the foot of the ruck)?



The law applies if the ball is available to be played (in the opinion of the Referee) by a player in the half back position... this could be any play taking the acting halfback role at that particular breakdown ..
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If the Referee sees the ball being kicked back into the ruck, he should award a Free Kick to the opposition !
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FAir enough, it was done on the sly but definately happened at least twice...so whats the ruling on the ball being presented?
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Are the new rules being applied in the rugby championship though? They're still using crouch, touch, pause and engage...
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Scrupilously applied by the ref last night...watching Owens reffing Aus v SA now he is a little more balanced...

One thing though, a couple of times Pienaar has actually kicked the ball from the back foot back deeper in to the ruck (presumably to buy time for the next play to be set)...so my question is does the 5 second rule only apply if the ball is presented at the back foot to the SH (or whoever is at the foot of the ruck)?



I thought he was poor on this - he gave the warning, but sometimes players seemed to take ages to do anything, and still weren't penalised... or was that in the Blues game? It's late, I'm getting tired...Confused I hope refs will have the guts to give free kicks (or whatever it is) against dawdlers!
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Refs like Owens have been shouting "use it!" and "there it is!" for ages anyway so it's just a case of formalising it and making refs consistent.

So no problems then.
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Originally posted by AstroScarlet AstroScarlet wrote:

Are the new rules being applied in the rugby championship though? They're still using crouch, touch, pause and engage...


No ... The new laws came into effect for tournaments starting After 01/09/2012 !
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Refs like Owens have been shouting "use it!" and "there it is!" for ages anyway so it's just a case of formalising it and making refs consistent.

So no problems then.


I've been using it ever since I started Refereeing .... Maybe down to my innate dislike of Scrum Halves Angry ..( ex-Open Side Wink !) LOL
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Scarletman, this '5 second rule', is it 5 seconds from when the ref says 'use it' or is it that when he says use it you have to get the ball away immediately??

I've noticed a few times over the weekend, refs saying use it, only for the SH to still wait an age to get the ball away - by age I mean a good few seconds, possibly more than 5. I've yet to see a ref ping a SH yet for it.
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:


Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Refs like Owens have been shouting "use it!" and "there it is!" for ages anyway so it's just a case of formalising it and making refs consistent.

So no problems then.


I've been using it ever since I started Refereeing .... Maybe down to my innate dislike of Scrum Halves Angry ..( ex-Open Side Wink !) LOL

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Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Scarletman, this '5 second rule', is it 5 seconds from when the ref says 'use it' or is it that when he says use it you have to get the ball away immediately??

I've noticed a few times over the weekend, refs saying use it, only for the SH to still wait an age to get the ball away - by age I mean a good few seconds, possibly more than 5. I've yet to see a ref ping a SH yet for it.

Thing is, 5s after he's said "use it" is still an age - probably longer than refs like Owens would have given them prior to the new rule.
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Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Scarletman, this '5 second rule', is it 5 seconds from when the ref says 'use it' or is it that when he says use it you have to get the ball away immediately??

I've noticed a few times over the weekend, refs saying use it, only for the SH to still wait an age to get the ball away - by age I mean a good few seconds, possibly more than 5. I've yet to see a ref ping a SH yet for it.



Agree Haydn when the ref shouted use it, they didnt. Why bring in a rule they dont want to really use properly.
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It is 5 seconds after the Referee calls "Use it" .... Unless Gollum comes out of retirement, then it's 5 seconds before the Ref calls "use it"  ! Wink LOL
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