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    Posted: 07 March 2024 at 2:19am
I have been contemplating how many on the forum have calculated yet how much better off they will be after Mr Hunt's latest performance ?
The last budget(potentially) before an election, is a make or break one for governments, and its clear that some will gain from child benefit increases and the reduction of National Insurance.
Its also clear that those on lower incomes , are not going to gain ,but potentially lose out.
Jeremy Hunt's budget highlights the crucial issue facing our economy, the cost of everyday living, but does little to address it. Since 2008 wages and economic growth in the UK have stagnated, while the prices for what we pay, public utilities(gas/electric), food . Add in the 40% rise in mortgages and rents since Truss brief period as PM( elected by Tory party), its clear smaller Nat Insurance bills (although welcome), won't change the greater scheme of things.
These higher costs, are driven, partly by an economic model that redistributes cash from households and small business, upwards to the private giants that control the provision of many of these assets.

Its clear when you listen to members of of the public interviewed regarding financial trajectory this country is taking, the grave concerns there are , not just for everyday economics , but for the delivery of public services. This budget will benefit those who are better off and consequently we can expect longer term austerity, particularly in the context of savage cuts already biting into the economic plans of local authorities who have to deliver services , leave alone NHS provision!
In my case, I support my wife who suffers with a form of early onset dementia.
At the moment, we are managing fine , and independently, but what happens if she deteriorates?
What happens if I fall ill and cannot care  for her, what happens then ?
We have already experienced poor care through social services mismanagement.
It is of huge concern !

The Conservative part have been in power for 14 /pssibly15  years, by the time of the election
Last minute giveaways, are frankly insulting, when fundamental issues such as investment and growth management have been ignored for years. A stagnating economy cannot provide the security of jobs, living standards and the decency in public service provision we would like to see.
George Osborne famously used the political jibe " You fix the roof, while the suns shining", but the Tories seem to have smashed the windows and kicked the door in .

To add to the above , I would like to add that, the Tories have not only clearly lost their contention for economic competence, but also completely lost the moral right to govern, through decency !!
Anyone viewing the recent antics of Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, with naked ambitions to become next Tory leader. She plumbed despicable depths when she wrote in the Daily Telegraph "Truth is that the Islamists, extremists, and antisemites are in charge now. They have bullied the Labour party, bullied our institutions, and now they have bullied our country into submission"
This is the woman, that Sunak himself appointed as Home secretary, almost like putting a fox in charge of the hen house!
Then we have the maniac and former PM Truss, who not content with destroying the British economy,
travels to the United States, peddles conspiracy theories about her downfall, blaming "the deep state". Less hilariously, she sat silently beside Steve Bannon, as Trump's former henchman lavished the label "hero", on Tommy Robinson, the founder of the far right English defence league.
You may say that no one should pay heed to the antics of the ridiculous Ms Truss, a harlot who's shelf life at Downing st, was beaten by a supermarket lettuce. Yet, she was elected leader of the Conservative party and she was prime minister of this country not long ago.
We can also add the reliably repugnant Lee Anderson, Tory dep party Chairman appointed by Sunak
Anderson's latest outrage when he made the grotesque claims that "Islamists" have "got control of  London" and its mayor. "He's given the capital away to his mates" Sadiq Kahn rightly responded by saying that this was "pouring on the fire of anti Muslim hatred"
Only after decent and fair minded Tories like baroness Warsi and former senior tory minister Sajid  Javid spoke up in horror , did Downing st respond, eventually suspending Anderson, who still receives the backing of many tory MP's and activists.
Finally, we another specimen in Paul Scully, a former minister for London, who asserted that parts of the capitol and Birmingham , with large Muslim populations, are "no go areas" !
Keeping the flag flying for civilised Conservatism, Andy Street, the Tory mayor of West Midlands,, slapped down this "nonsense", and Scully tried to take back what he had said !

At the end of the day ,the person at the centre of all this is the prime minister himself.
The Tory party hard "tax cutting" hard right is the mob he feels most menaced by and that he has been flabby, about policing extremism within his own ranks.
He has not repudiated Truss for her "love ins" with repugnant Trumpites.
He sacked Braverman,as home secretary, for and incendiary provocation about "hate marches, "last Nov, but she was only in that profile-enhancing post, because he had struck a Faustian bargain with her, when he thought he needed Hard Right support to secure the premiership !
He handed a louder mic to Lee Anderson, by promoting him to Tory dep Chair, a role he exploited to platform his noxious prejudices, until he quit over Rwanda.
Only the extremists will disagree with the prime minister when he says we should not allow them to hijack our politics. More's the pity that he has too often behaved like a hostage of the hate mongers within his own party.

At the end of the day no last minute tax cuts and token gestures like the abolishing 'non dom' status(why wasn't it done years ago) can paper over the gaping cracks of a festering clapped out Government, with little idea on forward thinking, morally bankrupt , led by man so weak that the plight of the country perpetually looks like one step forward, two steps back  !

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You really need to get some sleep Mark!!!!!

Cannot disagree with your summation - generally a non descript budget from a non descript chancellor who realises the game is up. Of course one of the fairest means of giving people more spending power is increasing the basic tax free threshold but that has remained stagnant for some years.

I am amazed that politicians have not gone after the energy companies who continue to post huge profit increases all in the name of Ukraine. It defies belief that British citizens are being fleeced in this way. Surely it is pretty simple mathematics - if your costs have increased sharply then your selling price increase should only be allowed to compensate not increase your profits. Government control needs to be asserted quickly on basic items like energy.

Will Labour do any differently - now therein lies the million dollar question. 
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lots of truth in there and the torys will he gone soonhowever even a broken clock is right twice a day. braverman and anderson are right to highlight the islamic fundamentalist threat and the two tier policing system khan has allowed the met to take with these yobos. we have seen anti semitic chants, anti semitic imagery go unpunished, people allowed to clamber all over the cenotaph and not have any action taken.  we have to respect the right to protest and respect the religion of islam. but we don’t have to allow people to break the law just because they come from 1 section of society. there are a lot of people on these marches spouting hate and that is a fact.  you try walking in certain areas of the uk dressed in jewish traditional dress and see how you get on, i’m talking areas of london say tower hamlets, birmingham say handsworth or bradford say mannigham road as for labour will they do better? they can’t do worse but the shambles of  years of welsh labour rule suggests it may not be that much better tbh. tommy robinson is a far right idiot yet khan and corbyn have  also shared platforms with far right idiots who hate gays, hate people of other religions and think women have no rights, these are people are hard line islamic fundamentalists who believe in sharia law, two sides of the same dopey backside tbh (the people who corbyn and khan have shared  a platform with not them).  there is a huge lack of cohesion in the uk with ethnic and religious  divides in many cities and towns it’s very sad we live like this in 2024. a bit more community spirit on all sides is needed  most of consider ourselves tolerant and respectful people but how many of us have been inside a mosque, a skih temple a travellers site or afro carribean community centre? a drug drop in centre or a homeless soup kitchen? the onus on us all is to be more empathatic

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There is a lot of truth with both GPR and RR  say above.

Firstly the point GPR make about windfall taxes on energy companies  is 1000% correct. Bills will come down later this year , but companies are notoriously slow to reduce prices and lightening quick to put them up. our whole energy system is fragmented and broken, policed by a regulator with no teeth.

The other question is will Labour do better ? Well as RR says, they cannot do worse.
Unfortunately for them and the country, they are hemmed in by economic restrictions caused by 15 years of Tory misrule. No investment, no far reaching policies for growth, support for small business, allegedly the foundation of tory principles.
Rachel Reeves is a very straightforward pragmatic women, and there is a seismic change from the Corbyn era here. She know that Labour will have to fix the broken economy before it can spend the huge amounts needed on social care , NHS  , schools etc. Borrowing is an option, but not one in the short term they want to go down, but may have to consider some short term fixes.
Not only that, but there are lessons to be learned from the Rochdale byelection. One is that when Labour fails to listen to its supporters, or blames them for defecting, it risks losing its strongholds.
another is the Tories being held responsible for the decay in urban Britain.
While local concerns figured ini George Galloways campaign, it was the geopolitics of the war in Gaza- and the inadequate responses from the two main parties- that helped the former Labour MP win the seat.
Mr Galloway, is living proof that there is power without office and is a harsh critic of Israel and a formidable campaigner.
But Labour payed in to the hands of  of this repugnant, strident, demagogic opportunist a man yet to openly condemn Hamas.

Labour needs to get its act together, and cannot rely on just being "not Tory", and put policies together which despite the economic restrictions I mentioned above, contrast with yesterdays Tory imaginary long term spending cuts and short term tax giveaways.
A more confident labour party would break with 14 years of wishful thinking and failure.
In a change election labour needs to earn votes by making the case for inspiring and transformational change. It may take more than parliament to do do , but people need faith and inspiration sadly lacking today !

Finally I am in complete agreement with RR with the tone he set in his post about tolerance, empathy, forgiveness, and understanding. The war in Gaza has seen a toxic polarisation of views combined with utterly despicable islamophobia and anti -Semitism.
In previous posts I have have highlighted that I have Jewish friends , who have been so for 20 years.
My friends live in both London and in Hebron in the south west bank, and have been harsh critics of Netanyahu, and his right wing coalition partners.
They know what has happened in the west bank has fuelled the policies and actions of terrorists like Hamas, and made it easier for them to  to recruit.
My friends echo the words RR has mentioned in his post , of tolerance what your religion and ethnic origin , and know that only a political settlement will be the answer long term in Palestine
They however , have been the target of Zionist radicals themselves, because they have spoken out

Where I disagree with RR is where he says it is right that Braverman and Anderson have highlighted the "Islamic threat". Most sensible people, including Tories (some), realise that this is stoking the fires of  rhetoric which clearly is Islamophobic and needs to be addressed as such.
They have spoken up to fuel the fire of their own repugnant agenda's a, and in Braverman's case, a probable leadership challenge when Sunak "falls on his sword" !
To say that Khan is under the control is laughable if it didn't come of the mouth of senior Tories at the heart of Government.

Regarding demonstrations, my friend, a teacher , of 40 years, sensible , never been on a demo on his life has been on several .he only did so because he was concerned about the plight of the children dying in Gaza.
He told me recently, that despite the presence of extremists , the majority of protesters were peaceful and law abiding ,like himself, despite what the daily mail or the Express says.
The nonsense peddled by Braverman, Anderson is pathetic lies .
I am not saying that people have not been targeted, whether they are Jewish or Muslim, and that includes MP's, (look what happened to Joe Cox). Shocking !
Whatever your beliefs do it peacefully , and respect others.
All my life I have used Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King as great examples of people who life was a struggle for basic fundamental human rights, but did so preaching non violence.
Its a lesson for us all.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

You really need to get some sleep Mark!!!!!

Cannot disagree with your summation - generally a non descript budget from a non descript chancellor who realises the game is up. Of course one of the fairest means of giving people more spending power is increasing the basic tax free threshold but that has remained stagnant for some years.

I am amazed that politicians have not gone after the energy companies who continue to post huge profit increases all in the name of Ukraine. It defies belief that British citizens are being fleeced in this way. Surely it is pretty simple mathematics - if your costs have increased sharply then your selling price increase should only be allowed to compensate not increase your profits. Government control needs to be asserted quickly on basic items like energy.

Will Labour do any differently - now therein lies the million dollar question. 

Of course not. They’re all as inept as each other. They’re also got that trump card of inherited Tory problems. 
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I can see the Tory party being out for many years to come, and rightfully so. That said, i do not like Starmer, but i shall be voting Lab as i do really fear for the UK should the Tories remain in power.
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Welsh labour have been a disaster for wales and especially the economy and the NHS and roads. Id encourage everyone to vote them out. 
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I dunno if I’m good with money but issues with above 60k?

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Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Welsh labour have been a disaster for wales and especially the economy and the NHS and roads. Id encourage everyone to vote them out. 

Whilst I agree with your comments about the way the NHS and in particular the roads are run by the labour WAG, the 20mph speed limit is a disaster (car crash of a policy), and the cutting back on all new road/motorway improvements (unless it is down the bay), we must remember the labour lead WAG receives its funding from a Tory government in Westminster, who have systematically destroyed the finances of the whole of the UK and public services.  They also introduced the Barnet formula, which is the formula used to decide how much money the devolved governments receive from the UK government.  This formula was criticised by the very person it was named after for unfairly disadvantaging the people of Wales over the other devolved nations.
Hopefully (but we will have to wait and see) a labour UK government will favour a labour lead WAG and we will see an increase in funding as a result.
The only issue with that is how the WAG decide to spend that money.
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theyll proably spend it on speed cameras and sleeping policemenWink
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I blame labour more than anyone for the pathetic demise of the once great town of Llanelli
Its a disgrace how the town has been run into the ground. Id have to be stark raving mad to keep voting them back in, theyve had 100+ years and look at the state its in. Theyre become a petty small minded vindictive little party. All they care about is power theyve done nothing to lift Wales out of reative poverty
I mean seriously what is their masterplan? Have they actually got an economic strategy other than to rob working people to pay their inflated salaries and to kill off more small businesses and town centres? Wales is 3 times per head poorer than Ireland? £79k versus £25k what an utter disgrace of a party they are. 

They do NOT take from the rich and give to the poor, they keep the poor poor, they discourage and punish and destroy any dreams and ambition and they rob peter to pay paul. i.e the working working classes get robbed as do drivers to fund the tens of thousands who choose not to work. 

The fact they have no growth strategy and no support for sme's is the reason we create no wealth and why in the end we are always dirt poor. 


And yes before any says it the tories are evil bloodsuckers , I agree I would never vote for them either. Both main parties are an absolute disgrace 


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Latest Westminster Polling not good for the Tories. They will be lucky to win 20 seats


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Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Latest Westminster Polling not good for the Tories. They will be lucky to win 20 seats
Yeah abour are taking a fewm liberals not making progress nor plaed but th reform and a few independents hoovering up a lot of votes
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The Tory government of the last 14 years have two things in their legacy: austerity and Brexit. 

It obviously will spark off paths well-trodden but the above indicate they had little interest in governing, reform or improving lives for the majority. The sole driving force of what they are now is reducing the size of the state, cutting public services and privatising anything they can, to the benefit of themselves and their funders. They are manifestly unfit to govern. All they have are stocking culture wars and divisions in society. Braverman, at the time home secretary, was guilty of hate speech. Ask yourselves just how exactly the UK has got to this and on who's watch. And then watch 10 million people vote for them even knowing all this. 

I am beyond sickened by them and arguments that "they're all as bad as each other" simply aren't true and play into the Conservative strategy. They are a rancid party that feeds off greed, selfishness and now outright racism and hatred. If the UK votes them in again it deserves everything it gets. 
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I would also that you can catalogue their illegal activity as well to emphasise just how dark a time this has been.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

The Tory government of the last 14 years have two things in their legacy: austerity and Brexit. 

It obviously will spark off paths well-trodden but the above indicate they had little interest in governing, reform or improving lives for the majority. The sole driving force of what they are now is reducing the size of the state, cutting public services and privatising anything they can, to the benefit of themselves and their funders. They are manifestly unfit to govern. All they have are stocking culture wars and divisions in society. Braverman, at the time home secretary, was guilty of hate speech. Ask yourselves just how exactly the UK has got to this and on who's watch. And then watch 10 million people vote for them even knowing all this. 

I am beyond sickened by them and arguments that "they're all as bad as each other" simply aren't true and play into the Conservative strategy. They are a rancid party that feeds off greed, selfishness and now outright racism and hatred. If the UK votes them in again it deserves everything it gets. 

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