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As a lifelong spurs fan (for my sins) and having suffered the pain of witnessing just 3 FA cup victories and a league cup victory 17 years ago and a European Cup victory 41 years ago, it gave me great pleasure to witness success just over 2 weeks ago against Manchester United in Bilbao (I wasn’t there in person I must add), albeit being one of the worse cup finals in European history.
To think that this Australian, who I had never really heard of before he signed, came into the club, enthused the fans by playing a very open and attacking style of play (albeit without having any real defensive game plan or plan B),claimed that he always wins trophies in his second season (and backed up his words by doing so), has now been sacked by the Chairman from hell is just a disgrace.
He brought a fresh look to football management in the way that he presented himself in press conferences and spoke his mind (honesty, not just saying what he thought people wanted to hear), he also got the players to buy into a football philosophy, which was both exciting and frustrating (in equal measure) to watch, and has now given them and the fans a taste of success that some of them had never, and probably may never have tasted.
His statement following his sacking speaks volumes for the man, who spoke passions about what his squad achieved, the efforts they have put in during his 2 years in charge.  He spoke passionately about the fans, how they had witnessed silverware for the first time (younger fans) and how they deserved it following so many barron years, whilst the club statement was very blunt and cold in nature.

Ange’s sacking was probably the worst kept secret in football but why wait 2 weeks to do it, meaning that he had to answer questions from journalists over his future, whilst on holidays with his young kids.

He is the 15th manager to be sacked by chairman Levy since he took over as chairman and minor shareholder in 2001, who has the biggest ego in football and even looks like an evil villain. 
The club is a laughing stock, the way they are run makes a day in the life in Welsh rugby look like a stroll in the park.

Add that to the treatment of some of the current team.  Welsh captain Ben Davies has been at the club for 11 years and played nearly 250 games.  He has seen the club run down his current contract without any discussions with Ben or his agent about whether they plan on offering him a new contract.  This uncertainty must surely affect him as a person and must have an adverse effect on his performances with the Welsh national team.

Levy has this unfortunate attitude towards human beings, he appears to have no compassion or understanding of how his actions affect the very people he expects to work or play for him.
If I was any respective manager, I wouldn’t touch my beloved Spurs with a barge pole.  If you get sacked for lifting the first bit of silverware in 17 years and first European trophy in 41 years then why would you take on the job when you also have one hand tied behind your back financially.

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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

As a lifelong spurs fan (for my sins) and having suffered the pain of witnessing just 3 FA cup victories and a league cup victory 17 years ago and a European Cup victory 41 years ago, it gave me great pleasure to witness success just over 2 weeks ago against Manchester United in Bilbao (I wasn’t there in person I must add), albeit being one of the worse cup finals in European history.
To think that this Australian, who I had never really heard of before he signed, came into the club, enthused the fans by playing a very open and attacking style of play (albeit without having any real defensive game plan or plan B),claimed that he always wins trophies in his second season (and backed up his words by doing so), has now been sacked by the Chairman from hell is just a disgrace.
He brought a fresh look to football management in the way that he presented himself in press conferences and spoke his mind (honesty, not just saying what he thought people wanted to hear), he also got the players to buy into a football philosophy, which was both exciting and frustrating (in equal measure) to watch, and has now given them and the fans a taste of success that some of them had never, and probably may never have tasted.
His statement following his sacking speaks volumes for the man, who spoke passions about what his squad achieved, the efforts they have put in during his 2 years in charge.  He spoke passionately about the fans, how they had witnessed silverware for the first time (younger fans) and how they deserved it following so many barron years, whilst the club statement was very blunt and cold in nature.

Ange’s sacking was probably the worst kept secret in football but why wait 2 weeks to do it, meaning that he had to answer questions from journalists over his future, whilst on holidays with his young kids.

He is the 15th manager to be sacked by chairman Levy since he took over as chairman and minor shareholder in 2001, who has the biggest ego in football and even looks like an evil villain. 
The club is a laughing stock, the way they are run makes a day in the life in Welsh rugby look like a stroll in the park.

Add that to the treatment of some of the current team.  Welsh captain Ben Davies has been at the club for 11 years and played nearly 250 games.  He has seen the club run down his current contract without any discussions with Ben or his agent about whether they plan on offering him a new contract.  This uncertainty must surely affect him as a person and must have an adverse effect on his performances with the Welsh national team.

Levy has this unfortunate attitude towards human beings, he appears to have no compassion or understanding of how his actions affect the very people he expects to work or play for him.
If I was any respective manager, I wouldn’t touch my beloved Spurs with a barge pole.  If you get sacked for lifting the first bit of silverware in 17 years and first European trophy in 41 years then why would you take on the job when you also have one hand tied behind your back financially.


That makes two of us Legend. I won't though be shedding a tear for Ange as he walks into the sunset with a £4m payoff. Neglecting defensive duties will never work. He showed in the cup run of course that he could set a team up not to lose so why did he not adopt that philosophy at least away from home. 

Levy is a distasteful person. As for getting a successor - they will be queuing up because they will get the comfort of a two year contract regardless. 
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I'm also a Spurs fan. I think it was 100% the right decision. Ange will always be a 'mini-legend' for delivering a trophy, but his tactics don't work in the Premier League.

Spurs lost 22 league games. That is unacceptable and with those tactics they are heading for more of the same next season. I'm no fan of Levy, but it's the right call, for both parties. Go out on a high etc.

And the injuries....they happened during his time with Celtic too...loads of hamstring and thigh strain injuries...why? Because he makes his team do sprints in the first 30 seconds after they WIN the ball and the first 30 seconds after they lose the ball. It's what he does. He doesn't change.

Celtic hamstring injuries due to the way Postecoglu trains and plays



As for how well run Spurs are:

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There are people  posting  above,  who I have HUGE respect for on this forum,  one of whom its a pleasure  to call a friend. 

I an incredibly  sad for them,  as individuals  and as Spurs fans to be tormented,  particularly  this season.
Spurs are a top club and proud one. I remember the Spurs teams under Bill  Nicholson ,legends like  Alan Mullarey, Marten Chivers, Gilzean and our own Welsh legend Mike England ( and so many more). 

What an passionate  statement  therefore  from Legendinmybathroom indicating the depth of the problem at this great club.
Levy, as chairman,  the buck stops with him. He seems to have neither the vision or the desire to  invest,  to allow Spurscto compete.
Step aside is the only answer. 

Those who read what I write  know I am a passionate  Liverpool  fan.
My commitment  to supporting  them, is up there with the Scarlets. 
This year, I could not get any tickets for Anfield, but fortunately was able
( through my contacts) to get tickets for away games..Bournemouth and Spurs. I was expecting two really tough games..truly.  Both ended up comfortable wins, withe the Spurs game  becoming a 6-3 thrashing. 
Liverpool were sloppy in that game,  but such was the chasm  between the teams,  it was ridiculous .
When you watch LIVE sport, ut becomes a different  beast. The speed and reaction  time is so,frightening  and apparent .
My take on proceedings,  was that  too many Spurs players were not working  hard enough, or willing to bust a gut, particularly  off the ball.
Unfortunately  for them, injuries  meant that first choice defenders  were absent and those substituting,  just havevthe skill or the vision to read the game,  particularly  late runs by Liverpool  attacking players. 
This leads to the assessment  of lack of depth at Spurs,  but also the scale  of the injury  Postegcogllu faced  was challenging. 

GPR 'comment about Ange not setting up defensively  is accurate, but with such hapless defending  I witnessed in the above LIVE game , there is little you can do.
I am really  pleased that Spurs won the trophy,  not just because  it was against Man U  but because I actually  liked Ange Postegcogllu,  irrespective  of what mistakes  he may have made .
He always spoke with honesty and humility , often accepting responsibility  himself  deflecting  blame from players who could and should have been doing more. 
I liked his typical Aussie tenacity,  when  everything  going against  you,
 " belive in yourself,  whatever the odds". 
After he was sacked, as Legendinmybathroom states above, he acted with passion and dignity.
Despite  a very disappointing  league season,  leaves with his head held high.
He won't  be without a job for long. 

With regard to Spurs , so happy for their fans , and in particular,  the gentlemen  above. 
Like Newcastle , to see the fans rejoicing  after such a barren period was lovely
NOTHING will change however,  as long as Levy stays.Ouch
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I'm also a Spurs fan. I think it was 100% the right decision. Ange will always be a 'mini-legend' for delivering a trophy, but his tactics don't work in the Premier League.

Spurs lost 22 league games. That is unacceptable and with those tactics they are heading for more of the same next season. I'm no fan of Levy, but it's the right call, for both parties. Go out on a high etc.

And the injuries....they happened during his time with Celtic too...loads of hamstring and thigh strain injuries...why? Because he makes his team do sprints in the first 30 seconds after they WIN the ball and the first 30 seconds after they lose the ball. It's what he does. He doesn't change.

Celtic hamstring injuries due to the way Postecoglu trains and plays



As for how well run Spurs are:

Tottenham named best run team in football


I agree that his tactics didn’t work in the premier league, well this seaon in particular, but we did finish 5th last season playing the same way.
I also agree that 22 league defeats is unacceptable but you can’t argue that he didn’t deserve to get a 3rd season to try and turnaround this season’s dreadful league form.

We all knew that Levy was looking to get rid of Postecogluo so he should have done it earlier in the year and not strung him, the team and the fans along.  
The fact that he left him waiting for 16 day after lifting our first silverware was just unacceptable and unedifying and just sums up Levy for the man that he is.  
He has an Ego that is on a par with Trump and Musk, his track record suggests that he either isn’t very good at recruiting the right people to manage the club (15 managers in his 24 years, including pochetino who lasted 5 long years at the club) or has too high expectations of what he expects managers to achieve given that he likes to buy cheaply and sell high and insists on them working not as managers (like at most clubs) but as first team coaches, with little or no say on who comes into the squad and who leaves.  We all remember what happened to pochetino when he commented about this in a press conference back in thev2019-2020 season.  Ange wasn’t even allowed to bring in his own backroom staff, he had to work with the previous team, which takes some doing and wasn’t supported in both January transfer windows, just like pochetino (when we were chasing Leicester in 2016 and a champions league final in 2019)
He even sacked Jose Mourinho on the eve of our last cup final appearance just because he allegedly had a win bonus clause written into his contract.

Whilst I can’t argue about us being the best run club in England and one of the best in Europe, I have to ask at what cost to the squad, and the 60 thousand plus fans that fill the stadium every match despite paying one of the highest season ticket prices in the premier league and in Europe.
He has presided over just 2 trophies in 24 years and is only running the club this way in order to make it far more appealing to any potential buyer/s.  The press have been saying for months that he’s holding out for something in the region of 3.75 - 4.00 billion pounds to sell up (approximately 20 times what he and Enid bought it for) which will make his personal investment worth around £1 billion.
Had we not won the Europa cup and achieved Champions League qualification as a result the club would have been worth considerably less to any future owner/s.




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Thomas Frank in the frame  for the job. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

I'm also a Spurs fan. I think it was 100% the right decision. Ange will always be a 'mini-legend' for delivering a trophy, but his tactics don't work in the Premier League.

Spurs lost 22 league games. That is unacceptable and with those tactics they are heading for more of the same next season. I'm no fan of Levy, but it's the right call, for both parties. Go out on a high etc.

And the injuries....they happened during his time with Celtic too...loads of hamstring and thigh strain injuries...why? Because he makes his team do sprints in the first 30 seconds after they WIN the ball and the first 30 seconds after they lose the ball. It's what he does. He doesn't change.

Celtic hamstring injuries due to the way Postecoglu trains and plays



As for how well run Spurs are:

Tottenham named best run team in football


Would love to know who THE BOTTOM  teams were.
Hazzard a guess, a certain  team playing  in a light  blue shirt,  currently  facing action because of it.. and they will get-away with it !
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Thomas Frank in the frame  for the job. 

I like Thomas Frank as a manager, but I hope that he stays well away from the Tottenham job.  He’s done a remarkable job in taking Brentford from a division one side to a side that sits comfortably in the premier league year after year, whilst playing great football.  He has the support of the fans, the players and more importantly the board / chairman.
If he takes the spurs job he will lose the support of Levy as soon as we go on a losing streak (which all sides go through) or as soon as he has the bare faced cheek to ask for extra playing resources. Although undoubtedly the draw of managing in the champions league and having slightly more money will obviously be a great pull.
Whilst he’s been at Brentford Levy has appointed 5 and sacked 5 managers and thats all he needs to consider before making his decision.
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Thomas Frank in the frame  for the job. 

I like Thomas Frank as a manager, but I hope that he stays well away from the Tottenham job.  He’s done a remarkable job in taking Brentford from a division one side to a side that sits comfortably in the premier league year after year, whilst playing great football.  He has the support of the fans, the players and more importantly the board / chairman.
If he takes the spurs job he will lose the support of Levy as soon as we go on a losing streak (which all sides go through) or as soon as he has the bare faced cheek to ask for extra playing resources. Although undoubtedly the draw of managing in the champions league and having slightly more money will obviously be a great pull.
Whilst he’s been at Brentford Levy has appointed 5 and sacked 5 managers and thats all he needs to consider before making his decision.

The sun always shines brighter on the other side  for these ambitious  people. 
The big pay off and the next club..and the next.
Ruthless  chairman   like Levy and  others with little clue what their doing and the carousel  continues.  I remember  Potter, did very well with Swans, went to Brighton and did brilliantly.  Was cherry picked for the Chelsea job..an insane move, and soon was sacked  , like many others. The current  Chelsea  incumbent  is doing ok and lasting longer than we expected..but look what they have spent. WinkWinkWink .He will be on his way next year without  silverware. 
Potter , currently  at West Ham , who have had a mediocre season( at best)   ,and if that doesn't  improve  he is under  pressure .
Being ambitious  is good,  pushing your boundaries  is also good and extending  your comfort zone. Being sensible,  is also good, and therfore , I agree with Legend, if I was Thomas Frank, I wouldn't  touch the Tottenham job with a barge pole.




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Why would Frank leave to go to Spurs?

Spurs don't really have much in the way of star quality. Yes they shouldn't be 17th, but I'd need some convincing that they are going to finish higher than Brentford next season.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Why would Frank leave to go to Spurs?

Spurs don't really have much in the way of star quality. Yes they shouldn't be 17th, but I'd need some convincing that they are going to finish higher than Brentford next season.

Probably for the lure of Champions League football Wil & a sizeable rise in salary. Brentford survive off very small crowds compared to a 60,000 sell out at Spurs. They are one of the best supported teams in Europe &, Levy aside, will have transfer funds Frank could only dream of at Brentford. 

My money is on him signing before the end of the month. 
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Potteresque then.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Potteresque then.

Yes it appears that way in football. Quite why a manager would give up a position where he was admired by his chairman for a great job, adored by the fanbase, paid a very comfortable salary & jump into a totally different situation where he will be constantly under pressure to perform whilst replacing a fans favourite manager & deal with a guy like Levy is frankly (Wink) beyond me. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Potteresque then.


Yes it appears that way in football. Quite why a manager would give up a position where he was admired by his chairman for a great job, adored by the fanbase, paid a very comfortable salary & jump into a totally different situation where he will be constantly under pressure to perform whilst replacing a fans favourite manager & deal with a guy like Levy is frankly (Wink) beyond me. 


The pay offs are decent!

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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I agree that his tactics didn’t work in the premier league, well this seaon in particular, but we did finish 5th last season playing the same way.
I also agree that 22 league defeats is unacceptable but you can’t argue that he didn’t deserve to get a 3rd season to try and turnaround this season’s dreadful league form.

We all knew that Levy was looking to get rid of Postecogluo so he should have done it earlier in the year and not strung him, the team and the fans along.
The fact that he left him waiting for 16 day after lifting our first silverware was just unacceptable and unedifying and just sums up Levy for the man that he is.
He has an Ego that is on a par with Trump and Musk, his track record suggests that he either isn’t very good at recruiting the right people to manage the club (15 managers in his 24 years, including pochetino who lasted 5 long years at the club) or has too high expectations of what he expects managers to achieve given that he likes to buy cheaply and sell high and insists on them working not as managers (like at most clubs) but as first team coaches, with little or no say on who comes into the squad and who leaves. We all remember what happened to pochetino when he commented about this in a press conference back in thev2019-2020 season. Ange wasn’t even allowed to bring in his own backroom staff, he had to work with the previous team, which takes some doing and wasn’t supported in both January transfer windows, just like pochetino (when we were chasing Leicester in 2016 and a champions league final in 2019)
He even sacked Jose Mourinho on the eve of our last cup final appearance just because he allegedly had a win bonus clause written into his contract.

Whilst I can’t argue about us being the best run club in England and one of the best in Europe, I have to ask at what cost to the squad, and the 60 thousand plus fans that fill the stadium every match despite paying one of the highest season ticket prices in the premier league and in Europe.
He has presided over just 2 trophies in 24 years and is only running the club this way in order to make it far more appealing to any potential buyer/s. The press have been saying for months that he’s holding out for something in the region of 3.75 - 4.00 billion pounds to sell up (approximately 20 times what he and Enid bought it for) which will make his personal investment worth around £1 billion.
Had we not won the Europa cup and achieved Champions League qualification as a result the club would have been worth considerably less to any future owner/s.


Agree with all of that. You're preaching to the converted.

But it was still the right time to say goodbye to Ange. The likes of Brighton and Villa were crushing his tactics. Imagine what Madrid, Barca and Munchen would do next season if there was no change from that ridiculously high line.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I agree that his tactics didn’t work in the premier league, well this seaon in particular, but we did finish 5th last season playing the same way.
I also agree that 22 league defeats is unacceptable but you can’t argue that he didn’t deserve to get a 3rd season to try and turnaround this season’s dreadful league form.

We all knew that Levy was looking to get rid of Postecogluo so he should have done it earlier in the year and not strung him, the team and the fans along.
The fact that he left him waiting for 16 day after lifting our first silverware was just unacceptable and unedifying and just sums up Levy for the man that he is.
He has an Ego that is on a par with Trump and Musk, his track record suggests that he either isn’t very good at recruiting the right people to manage the club (15 managers in his 24 years, including pochetino who lasted 5 long years at the club) or has too high expectations of what he expects managers to achieve given that he likes to buy cheaply and sell high and insists on them working not as managers (like at most clubs) but as first team coaches, with little or no say on who comes into the squad and who leaves. We all remember what happened to pochetino when he commented about this in a press conference back in thev2019-2020 season. Ange wasn’t even allowed to bring in his own backroom staff, he had to work with the previous team, which takes some doing and wasn’t supported in both January transfer windows, just like pochetino (when we were chasing Leicester in 2016 and a champions league final in 2019)
He even sacked Jose Mourinho on the eve of our last cup final appearance just because he allegedly had a win bonus clause written into his contract.

Whilst I can’t argue about us being the best run club in England and one of the best in Europe, I have to ask at what cost to the squad, and the 60 thousand plus fans that fill the stadium every match despite paying one of the highest season ticket prices in the premier league and in Europe.
He has presided over just 2 trophies in 24 years and is only running the club this way in order to make it far more appealing to any potential buyer/s. The press have been saying for months that he’s holding out for something in the region of 3.75 - 4.00 billion pounds to sell up (approximately 20 times what he and Enid bought it for) which will make his personal investment worth around £1 billion.
Had we not won the Europa cup and achieved Champions League qualification as a result the club would have been worth considerably less to any future owner/s.


Agree with all of that. You're preaching to the converted.

But it was still the right time to say goodbye to Ange. The likes of Brighton and Villa were crushing his tactics. Imagine what Madrid, Barca and Munchen would do next season if there was no change from that ridiculously high line.

You are spot on Kid A. I draw a parallel with another sporting love of mine cricket. Test cricket & top order batting is more about defence than attack especially early on. Regardless of how good your defensive players are in a back 3/4 they still need someone in front of them whose main job is to break up opposition attacks & take pressure off the defenders. Spurs for me don't really have that animal - nearest we have I guess is Rodrygo Bentacur but he is too attack minded. 

Look how Man City have missed Rodri this season. Nothing flash & rarely passes the ball more than 10 metres but absolutely crucial to the more attack minded colleagues. 
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