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    Posted: 06 December 2004 at 10:37am

With the regional side using the Llanelli Scarlets name, should we be marketing the semi pro side under another moniker ... Llanelli Something. Llanelli isn't a great chanting name, and beyond the town, people don't really get it that there are two separate sides at Stradey. I read one Western Mail article which called the semi pros the Reds, but that was probably more a journalistic dig rather than an official name change. I for one think it vital that we keep the name and badge of Llanelli RFC, but that we develop a moniker which has strong links to the town, so the side can, in marketing and profile terms, live and develop outside the shadow of the regional Scarlets.
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Maybe we can just revert back to the old days when Sospan Fach was heard around the ground.
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The region of Llanelli scarlets need to distance itself from llanelli rfc. there should be seperate web sites for both teams, whenever do we get team news for the semi-pro's on the website. never....

The only influence gyppo should have on the semi-pro's is which players he picks and whom from the region gets to go there. he shouldn't have control on the coaching staff or the style of play or the positions of the players. Llanelli rfc should be like the other 3 feeder clubs at this level of the pyramid structure. could you really see Llandovery, Quins and Narberth being told who their coaches were?
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You're quite right. Llanelli RFC is treated like the reserve teams you get in football, not a rugby team in its own right. This is a side fighting for a title. Maybe an individual identity and a press launch would do it good and get more fans interested. Anyone for Llanelli Redsox
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lol Redsox would be great. but llanelli rfc is it's name and should stay like that. I try my hardest not to shout scarlets in their matches, but llanelli or boys..
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before regional rugby was introduced we chanted "scarlets" for the llanelli rfc so why dont we still do it for llanelli rfc??
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because they are not the scarlets!!! Regional rugby forced our hand to rebrand our side to become the Llanelli Scarlets and thus promoting the U21's to Llanelli RFC.

The Scarlets and Llanelli RFC are 2 seperate entities and should be treated thus. As a region, we haven't fully gripped onto this, The Llanelli RFC club side should have it's own website, own coaches and run totally independantly from the Scarlets, obviously with the situation of the ground share then the money side of the problem is a different matter, but if we look at this from a history point of view it is actually The Scarlets who are lodgers at Llanelli RFC. It has already been brought to attention at the club the bias shown to Llanelli RFC at Scarlets games when they were only giving information on Llanelli RFC games and not on the other feeder clubs, this has now been addressed by information on other feeder club games being given out.
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I just want something to shout at Llanelli RFC games. I keep on wanting to shout Scarlets, but it's a bit silly to do that. Come on semi pros, give us something to shout! Until then, it'll be 'c'mon the boys' or maybe 'haway the lads' for sure!!!
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How about sospan or turks. I keep wanting to shout scarlets as well and I have done a few times but I mainly try and shout lads, boys or LLanelli
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Totally agree with everything, distinct lack of identity for the semi-pro's living under the shadow of the region.
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Maybe something to reflect the town as it is now. Llanelli Coastal Parkers!!!
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

because they are not the scarlets!!! Regional rugby forced our hand to rebrand our side to become the Llanelli Scarlets and thus promoting the U21's to Llanelli RFC.

The Scarlets and Llanelli RFC are 2 seperate entities and should be treated thus. As a region, we haven't fully gripped onto this, The Llanelli RFC club side should have it's own website, own coaches and run totally independantly from the Scarlets, obviously with the situation of the ground share then the money side of the problem is a different matter, but if we look at this from a history point of view it is actually The Scarlets who are lodgers at Llanelli RFC. It has already been brought to attention at the club the bias shown to Llanelli RFC at Scarlets games when they were only giving information on Llanelli RFC games and not on the other feeder clubs, this has now been addressed by information on other feeder club games being given out.

 

Disagree 200% if thats possible. Llanelli RFC have had the `nickname` the Scarlets` for many, many years. The regional team ARE CALLED `The Scarlets` spot the subtle difference........

For me, both teams will always be the scarlets. Do Newport supporters chant `NOOOOPOOORT` at regional AND club games? I think you will find they do.
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

because they are not the scarlets!!! Regional rugby forced our hand to rebrand our side to become the Llanelli Scarlets and thus promoting the U21's to Llanelli RFC.

The Scarlets and Llanelli RFC are 2 seperate entities and should be treated thus. As a region, we haven't fully gripped onto this, The Llanelli RFC club side should have it's own website, own coaches and run totally independantly from the Scarlets, obviously with the situation of the ground share then the money side of the problem is a different matter, but if we look at this from a history point of view it is actually The Scarlets who are lodgers at Llanelli RFC. It has already been brought to attention at the club the bias shown to Llanelli RFC at Scarlets games when they were only giving information on Llanelli RFC games and not on the other feeder clubs, this has now been addressed by information on other feeder club games being given out.

 

Disagree 200% if thats possible. Llanelli RFC have had the `nickname` the Scarlets` for many, many years. The regional team ARE CALLED `The Scarlets` spot the subtle difference........

For me, both teams will always be the scarlets. Do Newport supporters chant `NOOOOPOOORT` at regional AND club games? I think you will find they do.

Change your signature then. That's because the moron's at dave parade refuse to acknowledge that their region are now the dragons. It is about time the WRU forced the regions to drop their team names and call themselves by the nickname as such. There can't be 2 sides called the scarlets, so does that make the semi-pro's the region as well? No, they are a feeder club to the scarlets so how can they be the scarlets, they are a seperate entity. you explained it in your post. Llanelli RFC always had the nickname the scarlets, now there is a genuine team called the scarlets, so you can't have that nickname. The club could be alienating a minority of fans for the region due to the close ties with llanelli rfc and that they are more distant with their clubs.

If I remember correctly, in the 80's the club had a problem with the welsh shop in the market reproducing shirts with the llanelli rfc logo on it. they lost due to the logo not being a registered trademark, thus the change in the logo to the dragon. If the nickname the scarlets becomes a registered trademark then the club will definitely have to distance the 2 entities, due to trademark laws...



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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

[For me, both teams will always be the scarlets. Do Newport supporters chant `NOOOOPOOORT` at regional AND club games? I think you will find they do.
do i really care what other fans shout at games,NO.the region are the scarlets and always will be (as long as the wru dont disband us),what we need is a name for the club team,maybe the"sospans".
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I find the odd shout of "Turks" or "The Town" fits quite nicely, don't mind the term "Turks" me.
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