Scarlet Fever Llanelli Rugby Sport Wales Tickets Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > RUGBY > SCARLETS GENERAL
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - WRU announce 3 new national dual contracts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login


WRU announce 3 new national dual contracts

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
cornelius View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 24 October 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 410
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cornelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: WRU announce 3 new national dual contracts
    Posted: 27 December 2014 at 11:40am
Your missing the point!!!!
Each region will recieve £500000 from the WRU DC pot.
If any team receives more or less then money will be shifted between the regions to even out.

So it does not matter who gets DC's really!!!!
Y Gorllewin Pell
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
haydn_davies View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 April 2009
Location: Llanelli
Status: Offline
Points: 17955
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote haydn_davies Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 11:25am
Scenario:-

4 players out of contract, 1 experienced international on £200k, 1 WQ non-capped player on £100k and 2 youngsters on £50k each. To keep them on their current contracts, the Region would have to shell out £400k out of their own pocket.

If the seasoned international was on a DC, Region would have to spend £80k to retain him, plus £200k for the other 3 player = £280k to retain the 4.

If the two youngsters were give DC's, Region would have to spend £40 to retain the pair, plus £300k for the other 2 players = £340k to retain the 4.

Which would a Region prefer, bearing in mind there are restrictions for DC players on the amount they can play, and also the Region would need to recruit additional players to supplement their squad?

In the 1st scenario, Region would benefit by having £120k freed up to strengthen their squad to supplement 1 DC player.

In the 2nd scenario, Region would have £60k freed up to strengthen their squad to supplement 2 DC players.

Edited by haydn_davies - 27 December 2014 at 11:30am
Think, think, think - it's a thinking man's game!! - The Great Carwyn James.
Back to Top
reesytheexile View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 11 August 2012
Location: Machynys
Status: Offline
Points: 17530
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:57am
It may help budgeting in that a Region knows a set % of a salary is guaranteed from WRU and they only need to worry on balance?  
Back to Top
PE SA View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 22 July 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12515
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PE SA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:55am
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

My concern is the WRU will use up all it's allocated money for DC's on youngsters and there may not be enough money left to try and keep a current international player in Wales is they receive an offer from elsewhere.

When you think about it, there is only AWJ, Dan Biggar, Cuthbert left in wales who are out and out first choice players who's wages are probably well in the 6 figure mark. I don't think they wanted to target those at the moment not a guarantee starter for wales: this rules out tipuric, ken and Liam. Cuthbert has allegedly turned one down. I think they will target a backbone of a side for 2019: potentially Rob Evans, Dee, Samson, Jake, Biggar plus prospects like Tyler Morgan, Amos etc and then whatever is left over, North will be main target due to age and the fact that he's face of Welsh rugby. That's the way i see them doing it and we will not see the benefits until a few years.
Back to Top
Rob o'r Bont View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar
Dr. Optimist

Joined: 03 May 2008
Location: Bont
Status: Offline
Points: 14626
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob o'r Bont Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:52am
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

My concern is the WRU will use up all it's allocated money for DC's on youngsters and there may not be enough money left to try and keep a current international player in Wales is they receive an offer from elsewhere.
Look at my post above yours haydn.  I don't think it will have any influence on player retention. If a region has saved money by contracting 3 or 4 inexperienced players, they can use that money to retain a seasoned international who might be tempted abroad. 

Conversely, if they have had to pay the full wages of those inexperienced players, they will have less funding available to match a DC - swings and roundabouts.



Edited by Rob o'r Bont - 27 December 2014 at 10:53am
In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
Back to Top
haydn_davies View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 10 April 2009
Location: Llanelli
Status: Offline
Points: 17955
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote haydn_davies Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:39am
My concern is the WRU will use up all it's allocated money for DC's on youngsters and there may not be enough money left to try and keep a current international player in Wales is they receive an offer from elsewhere.
Think, think, think - it's a thinking man's game!! - The Great Carwyn James.
Back to Top
Rob o'r Bont View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar
Dr. Optimist

Joined: 03 May 2008
Location: Bont
Status: Offline
Points: 14626
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob o'r Bont Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:34am
I dont think it really matters who gets DCs and who doesn't.  If you think about it - a region will have the same amount of funding available - its just that you can secure less senior players than junior players with the money, but the funding a region has available for the whole squad will remain the same.  




Edited by Rob o'r Bont - 27 December 2014 at 10:35am
In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
Back to Top
TheOracle View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 07 September 2014
Location: here and there
Status: Offline
Points: 2011
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TheOracle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:30am
Originally posted by OwainLlanedi OwainLlanedi wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by OwainLlanedi OwainLlanedi wrote:

Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!


Because he's "not very good" - diplomatic.


Don't be stupid. If he wasn't verry good neither gatland norvthecscarletscwould want to keep hold of him. In the loose he's up there with Gethin. Unfortunately his scrummaging needs to improve. As a LH he would have been top quality by now. So to say he isn't very good is way off the mark



Yeah but see - he's not playing at loosehead. He's a good loosehead and Wales need more looseheads. But at the whim of a coaching group who are arch fools, he has relinquished his early career promise for the false hope of playing tighthead. He's no bloody tighthead. He's a terrible tighthead. He should never have switched because his formative years showed he had all the tools to be a top quality loosehead.

Don't get fooled by the fact that Wales wanted him here. Welsh rugby has unfortunately become all about sucking at Gatland's deformed teat, just because we're incorrectly told he's some genius. He's not. He's disastrously forced a young man to throw away his formative years as a rugby professional, and I feel desperately sorry for Rhodri who's been advised to throw away his early promise to appease Cement Head. It's a tragedy.
The bottom line is that gatland is the best coach in wales , and i tend to go with his decisions , even if they can appear strange at times
Back to Top
PE SA View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 22 July 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12515
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PE SA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:13am
I think many are forgetting that Rhodri is still very young. Has plenty of time to make it work at tighthead.
Back to Top
PE SA View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 22 July 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 12515
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PE SA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Jag Jag wrote:

The contracts awarded thus far do seem a bit odd. However, if Tipuric, Liam et al were happy to sign directly with the region then that's fine. The real test will be if we can use the DC's to secure players that come under real pressure from foreign offers, and that otherwise might have left. Ball could be an example of this, so if a DC is needed to keep him, but wasn't needed for Liam for example, then I can see the sense and value in that.

Signing up the youngsters seems a bit unnecessary, but if they were likely to leave Wales without a DC, and they are not that expensive, I could be persuaded on the logic. Possibly.

Agreed.
At the end of the day, there is only £3m in the pot we are told. Signing up the next gen of players IMO is key so that Gatland will have a squad for the next 2 world cups.

Amos, Morgan and Rhodri will be around for 2019. As will Warburton.

The next batch of announced DCs IMO could include:
Jake Ball, Dan Biggar, Scott Williams and Samson. Then youngsters like Rob Evans, Elliott Dee. Then they will target the likes of foxy, Roberts, North and halfpenny but I think they will only be able to afford to help bringing 2 of them.
Back to Top
scarletnut View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 28 April 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 14170
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletnut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 10:03am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by OwainLlanedi OwainLlanedi wrote:

Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!


Because he's "not very good" - diplomatic.


Don't be stupid. If he wasn't verry good neither gatland norvthecscarletscwould want to keep hold of him. In the loose he's up there with Gethin. Unfortunately his scrummaging needs to improve. As a LH he would have been top quality by now. So to say he isn't very good is way off the mark
oh come off it he isn't in Gethins class in the loose. I agree with many on here he isn't up to it as a tight-head, he keeps getting hiding after hiding. It's embarrassing
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
Back to Top
OwainLlanedi View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 01 November 2010
Location: Llanedi
Status: Offline
Points: 6620
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OwainLlanedi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 8:16am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by OwainLlanedi OwainLlanedi wrote:

Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!


Because he's "not very good" - diplomatic.


Don't be stupid. If he wasn't verry good neither gatland norvthecscarletscwould want to keep hold of him. In the loose he's up there with Gethin. Unfortunately his scrummaging needs to improve. As a LH he would have been top quality by now. So to say he isn't very good is way off the mark



Yeah but see - he's not playing at loosehead. He's a good loosehead and Wales need more looseheads. But at the whim of a coaching group who are arch fools, he has relinquished his early career promise for the false hope of playing tighthead. He's no bloody tighthead. He's a terrible tighthead. He should never have switched because his formative years showed he had all the tools to be a top quality loosehead.

Don't get fooled by the fact that Wales wanted him here. Welsh rugby has unfortunately become all about sucking at Gatland's deformed teat, just because we're incorrectly told he's some genius. He's not. He's disastrously forced a young man to throw away his formative years as a rugby professional, and I feel desperately sorry for Rhodri who's been advised to throw away his early promise to appease Cement Head. It's a tragedy.

Edited by OwainLlanedi - 27 December 2014 at 8:24am
"Er gwaetha pob Dic Siôn Dafydd, Er gwaetha 'rhen Fagi a'i chriw, Byddwn yma hyd ddiwedd amser, A bydd yr iaith Gymraeg yn fyw!"
Back to Top
Mogwen View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 07 April 2013
Location: Yma o Hyd
Status: Online
Points: 4489
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mogwen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 7:21am
Originally posted by OwainLlanedi OwainLlanedi wrote:

Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!


Because he's "not very good" - diplomatic.


Don't be stupid. If he wasn't verry good neither gatland norvthecscarletscwould want to keep hold of him. In the loose he's up there with Gethin. Unfortunately his scrummaging needs to improve. As a LH he would have been top quality by now. So to say he isn't very good is way off the mark
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
Back to Top
OwainLlanedi View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 01 November 2010
Location: Llanedi
Status: Offline
Points: 6620
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OwainLlanedi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 3:31am
Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!


Because he's "not very good" - diplomatic.

Edited by OwainLlanedi - 27 December 2014 at 3:32am
"Er gwaetha pob Dic Siôn Dafydd, Er gwaetha 'rhen Fagi a'i chriw, Byddwn yma hyd ddiwedd amser, A bydd yr iaith Gymraeg yn fyw!"
Back to Top
Jag View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 19 January 2011
Location: Llanelli
Status: Offline
Points: 1838
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2014 at 6:57pm
The contracts awarded thus far do seem a bit odd. However, if Tipuric, Liam et al were happy to sign directly with the region then that's fine. The real test will be if we can use the DC's to secure players that come under real pressure from foreign offers, and that otherwise might have left. Ball could be an example of this, so if a DC is needed to keep him, but wasn't needed for Liam for example, then I can see the sense and value in that.

Signing up the youngsters seems a bit unnecessary, but if they were likely to leave Wales without a DC, and they are not that expensive, I could be persuaded on the logic. Possibly.
Ymlaen Llanelli!
Back to Top
scarletabroad View Drop Down
Veteran
Veteran
Avatar

Joined: 12 July 2011
Location: Hertfordshire
Status: Offline
Points: 4227
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2014 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by Westwalian Westwalian wrote:

Not many people seem that happy on here that we've secured the 2nd choice Welsh international TH as a 2nd choice player in our team! This is brilliant news! We have Samson for another few years, a few good hookers, all we need is a little more depth at LH and then we've got a brilliant and deep front row!
Probably because he's an awful TH prop who has been royaly hammered byall oppostion even the 2nd choice Irish front row made him look a complete amateure
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 4>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.04
Copyright ©2001-2021 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.141 seconds.