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KID A
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Posted: 14 September 2015 at 10:34am |
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From matches this weekend - One gets a yellow, one gets play on. Which one is correct?
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reesytheexile
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There was some arm movement in the other game towards a tackle I guess but none from Pete Edwards. Pete's just looked clumsy as putting your head on the ground in front of Nick Williams was a bit crazy of Pete and dangerous for him not Williams. A yellow card for this is pretty harsh regardless although I think there had been a warning from the ref prior to that ?
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KID A
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I have absolutely no problem if every one of these is now going to be a yellow card. |
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Wil Chips
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Be a lot of yellows.
As well as Williams, Shingler should have had one late on if applied consistently. |
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ScarletSpiderman
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Looked at the Shingler one just now. A lot of Ulster fans online complaining about it. To me it looked like Shingler was there and Scholes ran into him, more than a no-arms tackle. |
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scarletman
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Would like to see the other angle on Pete's incident, but it look as if neither arm is in front of the body to even resemble a tackle.
I think the other on is just a mistimed tackle ! After all who expects Irish Props to have a turn of speed like that !
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aber-fan
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This is the first I've heard of this new law/directive. It seems crazy. The 'no arms' law was brought in to stop body checks of the type where the defender runs into the ball carrier, usually smashing him with a shoulder to the upper body (I LOVED doing this as a player - it was legal in those days!). Pretty clearly, it can be quite tricky to get the arms involved in time if you are going for the shins - even if you intend to wrap the arms around the legs, getting the timing right isn't easy. More importantly, the tackler is FAR more likely to get hurt than the tackled player. This change is ridiculous, IMHO - are there any stats to show that this tackle causes many serious injuries to the tackled player? I doubt it... Three additional thoughts: Does this mark the end of Lydiate's test career? Is this directive in force for the RWC? (Players haven't had time to get used to it.) Under a strict interpretation, I assume ankle taps must also be illegal under this directive - can that really be the case? |
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No arm tackle aside, when is Nick going to get cited for leading into tackles with his shoulder??????????
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John
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We were already on a warning of a yellow for the next no arms tackle because Aled had commited one previously. |
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Abbey
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This hardening of the law by referees will go the same way as crooked scrum feeds and the 5 second "use it" rules. Tough early on and then nothing.
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scarletman
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There is NO NEW LAW OR DIRECTIVE. The LAW has always been that "arms must be used in a tackle" as long as I've been Playing/Coaching/Refereeing. Every now and again, a wide eyed coach thinks he'll try and push the boundaries of law, then another coach says "if they're doing it, we're doing it" until it becomes an everyday occurrence in the game, look at "The Hit", the "Lineout Lift" and the "Kickoff Receiver Lift", not to forget the Lee Byrne "Leading with the knee (then foot out) kick receive". It's the natural relationship between Cop & Baddie, every time there is a law, there is someone on the other side trying to find a way to break it without being detected. One that has crept in lately & be berated on here is the 2nd man in clearing opposition players that are not bound ! Really p****es me off that one ! |
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KID A
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Ulster commentator out of touch again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrsMTCEujBU#t=41m25s Edited by KID A - 15 September 2015 at 9:14am |
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As in previous thread, 2015/2016 Directive ! |
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aber-fan
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I'm amazed to read this, as I have (in 55 years of watching rugby) NEVER seen players warned or yellow carded for tackling anyone around the shins before it happened to Pete. (Indeed, at school we were ALWAYS told to tackle opponents around the legs. I suppose the arms would usually be involved, but as I wrote earlier, it's not always possible to time that right if someone runs into you.) It seems to me that if everyone were to apply the law in the same way, Lydiate's test career - or even his playing career - would be at an end. And I'm sure he's not the only one. I also doubt that the Scarlets' coaches have been teaching Pete to shin tackle players in practice sessions - the mind boggles! As for your second point - I don't think the clearing out of non-bound players is recent, as I've been complaining about it for years. The Scots and Irish are pretty nifty at this, as no doubt are the ABs (who usually invent new ways to cheat, but are quick to learn from others), and the Aussies (remember their scrum ploy of sending the wing forward out as a 'blocker' so that the 8 could score from 5-yard scrums?). It's a pity IMO that we won't have Nigel O as a ref at the RWC - streets ahead of most other refs - let's hope we get some decent ones, anyway.
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KID A
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It's not "tackling" though is it. Because no arms were used.
I have no problem with it as a law. As long as every one is now given a yellow card. |
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aber-fan
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Fair enough - I can see quite a few 7 a side games coming up! As for it's not tackling - again, correct as for the letter of the law. Why wasn't this enforced for the last 55 years, then? Could it be that no-one ever got hurt by a no-arm chop tackle, as opposed to the rightly banned spear tackle and (now) neck-twist? I'm very pleased those have been banned, AND that players are being penalised and/or binned for them.
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