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Wasp
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For context:
GDP of Ireland in 2017 = $337bn (not including NI) GDP of NI in 2015 = $38bn Total = $375bn (ball park) GDP of Wales in 2015 (last I can find) = $85bn So in terms of population and wealth, Wales is more akin to an Irish Province than the whole Island of Ireland! I really don't get why so many people ignore this when complaining that the Scarlets don't have the crowds or budget that Leinster do. It's like asking why Ireland are below the UK in the Olympic Medal tables
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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PE SA
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thanks for the comments looking in from the outside. if WRU are copying the Irish model they certainly missed a few pages!!! There are now similarities with Leinster/Munster/Scarlets with the shape up of the squads - scarlet boys representing the region sprinkled with southern hemisphere dust! BUT, its only since Pivac took over we have got southern hem quality in our squad (bar Regan King) such as Johnny McNicholl, Werner Kruger etc. Kruger, a springbok, mcnicholl very close to all black call up before his move to us. Before those signings, our overseas had a handful max of appearances in Super Rugby, if that, where majority came from currie cup. Compare those to the likes that Munster/Ulster/Leinster have had over the last 10yrs...Rocky Elsom, Doug Howlett, Christian Cullen, Jim Williams, Ruaan Pienaar, Brad Thorn, CJ Stander, Jean de Villiers etc...established international players, cream of the crop. The only signings in Welsh rugby in the regional era to rival those are possibly the Ospreys when they signed Collins, Holah, Marshall, TiaTia etc. We are getting there slowly IMO, and on half the budget of the Irish provinces, we are doing remarkably well to bring in players of the quality that we have and keeping those local lads when they become hot property for the English/French. But whilst the funding from the respective unions are HUGE in difference, lets not forget the amount European QFs, SFs, Finals and European Trophies Leinster have had. big cash there in prize money alone. It was said before that the QFs and Semis prize money 11+years ago kept the club afloat alone at one point...so 11years without anything, we have certainly been missing a big carrot. Baby steps possibly, but with what we have, we are doing VERY well and maybe one day, Scarlets will be able to afford to bring in a player like Rocky Elsom! I am convinced that last years Pro12 champion victory was the beginning. This squad have now backed that up with Semi Final in Europe and so far the title defence is going well...SO...we are at the start of a brilliant age. This squad now know what it takes to get to the Semi and seen what it takes to go on to the final (and probably win). If the WRU match what the IRFU give, then great, but it wont happen any time soon, so lets enjoy the ride. Good luck to Leinster, they have beaten all the top sides this season to get to the final. Exeter, top of the premiership. Montpellier, top of the Top14. Glasgow, top of the Pro14. Sarries, Europes defending champions. Scarlets, Pro14 defending champions. To have gone through Europe unbeaten (so far) beating those sides, incredible. |
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KID A
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I was looking at Toulon's budget recently - the club makes 4.8m Euros through it's restaurant every year. |
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Micro Duck
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What are they selling?!!!
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New KALAMAFONI - BEAST MODE t-shirt now available online.
Plus a new 'Sosban Fach Scoundrels' range. Paste the link below into your URL: https://llanelli.teemill.com/ |
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trident
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Even if that's just turnover and not profit, it has to be a bit fanciful. |
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KID A
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They have to submit anticipated budgets every year before the season starts. They are heavily scrutinised by their financial authorities, despite what some think or they get relegated like some big clubs have in recent years. Toulon's budget is : Euros: Sponsorship : 11,2 m Tickets : 10 m Restaurant sales : 4,8 m Public funding : 2,9 millions TV Top 14 : 1,4 millions TV H Cup : 891 000 Equipement manufacturer : 1 million International release money : 180 000 Insurance for injuries : 800 000 That's a projected income of £29m. Insane money which easily funds the £10m player payroll. |
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GPR - Rochester
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Sponsorship of 11.2 million is unbelievable. We need to sign up their marketing director!!!
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aber-fan
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Well, you can see pictures of the dishes here: though as far as I can see, there's no way to get the names/descriptions of the dishes - or the prices!
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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trident
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Didn't realise the context of that figure, thanks. I'd guess then that it includes all f&b sales including match day bars, rather than just the restaurant, in which case it makes more sense |
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NobbySosban
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As others have said, part funding by Millennium Commission precluded commercial naming rights for a period of time. As WRU CEO, Roger Lewis accelerated the interest payments during his tenure although it was a prolonged period of record low interest rates - effectively he wanted to keep the Regions poor in the hope of taking the keys off them if/when the independent benefactors had had enough. He held the Regions to ransom over a new Rugby Services Agreement, saying that if they didn't sign it, they would 'cease to exist'. This didn't (quite) happen, but the Regions stuck together and came up with their own commercial plan, which included the reformed European competition, the proceeds of which needed to be channelled through the WRU for commercial reasons - WRU needed a minimum turnover in order to keep within the bank's mortgage Ts&Cs. Lewis eventually had to capitulate, and the tide had turned. Then, when BT came along with a decent stadium naming rights offer, Lewis (already on notice in his job) managed to p___ them off, so they took their cash to the SRU and renamed Murrayfield. With the change, they became short-term stadium sponsors for Cardiff Arms Park & shirt sponsors of the other 3 Regions, then the Principality Building Society were hastily lined up on a great-value (for them) long-term deal to name the national stadium. Lewis's parting shot to hamstring the Welsh game for another generation - thanks, Woger. That's the short answer, anyway. |
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RR1972
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magic beans no rugby club restaurant is turning over 4.8 m euros a year, that is pure bunkum and smacks of cooking the books (like the pun?) . As for Fardy damned good player and worth every penny leinster paid him as were the likes of thorne and elsom before him Leinster are excellent and picking up top class overseas players, yes they spend big but they still recruit well , plus they have a superb academy that brings through some great local players for them It's pointless us carping about it and frankly it smacks of sour grapes, we are better than that |
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RR1972
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Wouldn't shock me if their benefactor is or an associated company is their main sponsor , it's bit like how man city and psg do it
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reesytheexile
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RR1972
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didn't we know all this when we demanded stand alone status though? the IRFU have all the players centrally contracted and run the provincial game, I doubt anyone on here wants that for the region do they? Edited by RR1972 - 23 April 2018 at 5:11pm |
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D06Blue
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Why not? The RC Toulon restaurant is a full time business that is open every day serving food and drinks in the centre of town near the waterfront. They're not just churning out burgers on matchday. It is also open until 1am every matchday. It is quite conceivable that a business like that in a city like Toulon could be quite a success. Perhaps other clubs should look at this as an example of how they can increase revenue streams through other business ventures
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RR1972
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92,000 euro a week for 52 weeks a year? including offseason? seems well ott to me, it's a rugby club restaurant not the ivy mind , plus toloun nice place as it is . is hardly paris or rome or London and won't have the same footfall
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