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dyniol53
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He’s still better than Billy Vunipola in my opinion so should go as a backup to Faletau - theres even an argument to say he’s more effective than Faletau.
Billy V born in Australia, Faletau’s Dad played for Tonga, CJ Stander is a South African; that’s just modern rugby. I didn’t like the residency rule and am happy it’s now 5 years, but I don’t think any individual who benefitted from it should be held back because that’s the route they took. If they’re good enough they go.
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GPR - Rochester
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Well you cannot say he isn't eligible which is the only criteria which Gatland will be working to. Your logic lends the question whether Itoje, Faletau, the Vunipola brothers etc qualify for the Lions which is a real hornet's nest. Gatland will choose the best squad available to him and Stander is therefore available. Will he be selected - I think not as he would not be playing 8 for Ireland at the moment if Caelan Doris was fit. He has been a real credit to Irish rugby & highlights the belief and sacrifices players & lets not forget - their families - have to make to pursue their dream of playing International rugby.
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It's the wording of his statement I find interesting, the "However, I came to the realisation that my commitment to rugby has started to take an unfair toll on my family, who both in Limerick and South Africa have made considerable sacrifices for more than 25 years to allow me to live my dream."
I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn out for a SA franchise in a year or so.
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dyniol53
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On a side note - Paul O’Connell earned his salt on the weekend as the Irish lineout dismantled the Scottish one.
Does that make him a shoe in for Lions forward/line-out coach? Who are the lions coaches? Sean Edwards isn’t available for defence. Do we think Stevo might go in attack? Steve Tandy might have put his hand up for defence? Gats complained last time that because there were no Scottish coaches in the room (Toonie declined to be attack coach), their players didn’t have any extra supporters.
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He's had one good game, let's see how they go against England.
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dyniol53
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The Irish lineout also picked ours apart the first game. But yes, the Eng game is massive for both teams and players.
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will farell take defence coach? I thought that crusaders guy was in the mix
Mcbryde a bit unlucky not to go with how well leinster are doing I'd say simmons is a better 8 than stander at the moment in all honesty
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As is Doris.
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I think doris struggling mate he got long term concussion issues?
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dyniol53
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Pasting from another thread - but could see Gatland go for Simmons then - if only to ruffle Eddie Jones feathers 😅
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GPR - Rochester
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Yes but I think Farrell said he should be back soon.
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I wouldn't compare the two - Gethin was an absolute machine with a huge engine, and a decent scrummager - I'd say, he always did enough to keep his end up in the scrums, but didn't usually attempt destructive scrummaging, whereas he'd keep going all day around the park - tackling, jackaling and even on one memorable occasion charging down a kick (O'Gara, I think) and scoring a crucial try. Mako is a positive liability at scrum time... he has power as a carrier, but nowhere near Gethin's engine. As for LH prop for the Lions, if I may return to that - I definitely think that Wyn Jones is way ahead of the other candidates. As for Healy, I put him on the bench because I could not think of any other decent candidates (and don't rate Mako) - but if Sutherland is reckoned to be better, I'm happy to revise that bench slot. Problem is, the Scottish forwards were destroyed by Ireland, so no individual (apart from Watson) got a chance to show much... In truth, I'd have picked a fit Rob Evans for the bench, but who knows when he'll be back, so... If anyone has a suggested upgrade on Sutherland or Healey, then go with it. It's one of the problem positions ATM. |
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Firstly Aber I cannot agree with you over Mako. Gatland selected him on the last tour and he has a number of Lions starts under his belt so, for me, he is no liability. I agree with you about Wyn - he has done his job well this tournament & Gatland will not forget how well both Francis & Wyn performed against South Africa in the semi final of the World Cup. He will also remember how England struggled against the same front row in the final once Sinckler went off early. I don't think Healy is the answer but Joe Marler may well be.
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I like the other irish prop kilcoyne off the bench , good player and good carrier
mako is not the best scrimmage but he is a big carrier and gats likes him (picked him for 2 previous tours) Wyn looks the stand out candidate to start with one of these two coming off the bench to add impact , shame rob evans has been injured for nigh on 2 years he really is a talent but I don't know what level he will come back at
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