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dr_martinov
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I asked you to provide more about the specific Labour criticisms in the first post in more detail, particularly in how it compares to the current allegations of the Conservative behaviour on cronyism. You did not do so. If Labour did exactly the same things in Government I have listed I would be as critical. New Labour came to power when I was 13, so I was too young and not that into politics during most of their time in charge, however the WMD revelation was shocking. I would agree now I understand more that Blair and the New Labour age under people like Campbell set the path to where we currently. But it is the Tories who have been in charge for 10 years now and my list above are all very recent events, which is why I am expressing my concerns over a drop in standards. In terms of Wales, I have only lived 9 months in Wales since 2002 (when I was 18) before I returned late 2019, so Welsh Labour over the last 20 years is not something I know much about. |
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Dai Guevara
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I don't know what regular correspondents here make of Starmer's lack of welcome yesterday in a Bath pub -
https://www.rt.com/uk/521492-keir-starmer-kicked-out-pub/ but I doubt if the landlord would have been quite so aggressive to Boris even though he's lately being implying that the decline of covid is more due to his lockdown policies than the widespread use of vaccines. |
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I think it definitely has primarily been due to lockdown looking at when the numbers fell. It may be hard to judge the widespread use of vaccines in the UK as May-August 2020 was pretty low anyway (less than 1,000 new cases per day levels). But we're still on 3,000 new cases a day so with opening up I guess should be enough to see. I'm generally looking at next October onwards being the true test - what happens in the summer (new strains etc.) and whether vaccinations can deal with that the following "Covid season".
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dr_martinov
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Not that I'm active myself, but strange how this European Super League football has got so many in the UK on the streets protesting about it being unfair financially, even the PM has leaped into action. Although I don't quite understand his position as thought he'd be OK with big businesses doing what they want to get even wealthier. Useful distraction news story perhaps.
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If he didn’t do anything people would say he didn’t care. He’s onto a loser both ways. That’s why I hate politics. If you are not a supporter of the party they can do no right most of the time.
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The landlord was hysterical I couldnt follow his train of thought or his aggressive rude way behaviour either. Was he angry wed been in lockdown too long or what? whatever happened to calm civilised conversation?
As for the super european league, everyone seems against it apart from the 6 billionaires who own the 6 clubs. If it goes ahead you may as well rename them all after their owners...one day soon the champions league final may be amazon v google or beziers united V real mike moritz or Musk city. The only way to prevent it is to kick them out of the league |
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The landlord was incensed that Labour had not opposed Boris' lock down. This guy seems to be a neo Covid denier to me.
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How could he oppose it when we had the highest death rates in the world at the time? With mass vaccinations imminent too? |
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the landlord looked like someone he'd throw out on a friday night.
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dr_martinov
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It's bizarre, really but he wins votes, that's for sure. Guy tried to organise to have a journalist assaulted, cheated on his wife when she was undergoing chemotherapy, been sacked for making up quotes when a journalist, been sacked for lying from Government, has used public money to get funds for his mistress at the time, is central in a lobbying scandal. Yet elected to London Mayor twice and has rise to lead a large majority - I respect democracy and if that's how people feel I guess that's up to them but I'm with Ian Hislop on struggling to understand why the standards in this country have dropped so low. It's now just accepted that our PM is a lying chancer and not be accountable for anything his Government does, yet "it's just Boris, the lovable rogue" seems to be OK as an explanation. Strange place we've ended up but Johnson has profited off the high cynicism as most think "well they're all liars but at least Boris is funny". People seem to want an entertainer as the political leader of this country so I hope they're enjoying their laughs now.
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Dai Guevara
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doc, I think your last sentence comes closest to explaining what is happening. People have been conditioned by the media, Hollywood etc to expect entertainment and escapism, particularly when the only real alternative seems to be Starmer who has been brought in to appease the right wing media and will readily betray any socialist tendency that we might have hoped for in the Labour party.
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The other issue is that no one seems ready to hold Boris to account.
Press are on his side, BBC's DG is a Tory party donor, and he has an 80 seat majority. He changed the Priti Patel inquiry report, the inquiry into institutional racism, Tory ministers pre judged the police inquiry into Cummins' trip, and more recently declared that Cameron did nothing wrong. He refuses to hold truly independent inquiries, because if he does so, he can't influence the final report. He seems to have it all sewn up. Some interesting recent reads, Merchants of Doubt, Failures of state, and The Assault on Truth. Truly disturbing books.
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dr_martinov
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Not particularly democratic the workings of our Government is it?
I'll text Boris and see if I can get it changed.
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David Cameron’s old pollster and campaign researcher Andrew Cooper used to say that, for most of the country, most people know no politicians and then very few people can name more than three or four. They are simply not interested outside a general election. Once they do know about a politician they can remember two or three things about them, and that’s their capacity. He says William Hague struggled because people knew he’d given a speech at the Tory party conference when he was 16, which marked him out as weird. then they recognised him for wearing a baseball cap, and then he became well known for having drunk 12 pints of beer. Once those three had stuck there was no room for anything else. The thing with Boris is that he was so famous so long ago, that all the misdeeds you listed above just don’t cut through because peoples brains are already full of: Bright blonde hair, mayor of London, waved flags when stuck on a zip wire. Outside of those 3 things, I don’t think anything else really sticks.
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[QUOTE=dr_martinov]Not particularly democratic the workings of our Government is it?
I'll text Boris and see if I can get it changed. [/QUOTE)
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