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dyniol53
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I don’t like the denigration of scrums as a contest. They’re a crucial part of the game and what makes rugby Union distinct from league.
The value competitive, contestible scums bring is they mean teams require 2 extra distinct body types on the pitch. If you take away the importance of props and a scrummaging hooker you’ll have 6 players with the physique of back rowers on the pitch, meaning there will be less space for attackers and less value for the small players and running fullback who target the 120kg props to create gaps in defence. Rugby Unions charm is in having a place for a Shane Williams and a Uini Antonio and Antoine DuPont and a Samson Lee, you don’t get such variety in Rugby League
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GPR - Rochester
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That is very true. Wyn Jones' value to his teams will decrease because in all honesty refs cannot be entrusted on using the current rulebook to get it right.
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aber-fan
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I agree - BUT THE SA 9 was allowed to BLATANTLY put the ball into the second row, right in front of the ref. It certainly isn't a 'fair contest' if refs allow that - it was very poor indeed.
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Fscarlet
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Greenwood asked Nigel what he thought & he agreed that more needs to be done about it but Nige also said the ref's are focussing on lots at scrum time so I am not sure what can be done.
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Kentexile
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Agree completely just another attempt to turn union into league .scrums line outs and before that old style contested rucks and mauls keep forwards out of the defensive line as well as tiring them out which creates space.
The changes on tap and go will have the opposite effect
How long after these law changes to dropping two forwards to create a bit more room on the pitch? |
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aber-fan
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Maybe so, but the SA 9 was doing the most blatant feeding I have seen for a long time... I suspect that, if the ref had awarded a free kick against him early on, he'd have been more careful from then on.
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Mundoscarlet
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I wohkd say,the way to stop.it,would be 2 video refs,1 specific to focus on offsides and put in at scrum and also throwing in straight.these are areas where I think lots of things are getting missed,giving teams unfair advantages
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John
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The rule, admittedly 2-3 seasons ago, was that the scrum half had to have the point of his left shoulder in line with the centre of the front row channel. He then had to put the ball in straight. The saffer 9s were barely abiding by the first part of this and absolutely weren't putting the ball in straight. What is needed is a return to 70s scrums where the front rows just folded into their binds, sometimes before the players on the ground had stood up. But getting that to happen is not going to be easy.
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RR1972
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Could go either way this. If you got a strong driving line out maul and a good kicker from hamd you can easily make a game plan out of this
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dyniol53
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After 5 rounds of domestic competition, how do we think the new rules have changed the game?
50:22, goal line drop outs, have they made it better or worse?
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London Scarlet
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Not seen many teams make good use of the 50:22 yet. Munster used it well against Ospreys and I think it is a tactic that needs using to create more space in midfield.
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ChrisX
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Munster seem to have taken pretty well to the new 50:22
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reesytheexile
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Ban the “ hit” on scrums. No push until after passive engagement. Also even if a scrum goes down with no fault, the referee always the ball to be released into play and not ask for a re scrum!
Ban the practice of players having a 20 second discussion some 20 metres away before taking their throw in ! It’s bloody ridiculous. Free kick them ! |
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scarletsrules
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Totally agree. Munster were taking the p*** in the game against us with the amount of time they were taking to get the ball in a lineout |
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GPR - Rochester
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Thank the lord that they did waste so much time or it could have been a similar score to Saracens v Bath!!!!! In all seriousness I agree with reesy.
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ladram
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just as well they did as they might have scored more if they'd been quicker.
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